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Old 12th Jan 2022, 13:41
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Yep, agreed. They’re so “grateful” they slashed our contracts in HK permanently. They also closed most bases, causing scores of our most experienced crew to lose their jobs.
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Old 12th Jan 2022, 13:50
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A few to the top managers need to take one for the team and resign now! Making a CYA video wont help on the PR front. I can see CL coming out with a recommendation to suspend CX's AOC for a few months as punishment.
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Old 12th Jan 2022, 18:20
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QNH! Boy, do you need to have another look at things. He’s not on our side! I couldn’t even understand why he put the video out. The only thing that makes sense is he was speaking to the government. While you’re reorienting your point of view, maybe check your idioms, it’s toe the line.
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Old 12th Jan 2022, 20:13
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FFS that just says it all. Please don’t anyone else resign, we salute you. Bit of a different line to “Sign or be fired”. Enjoy your throne on an ever growing empire of self made dirt. Maybe they can get McKinsey ‘s to give them some sound advice how to get out of this bind.
Will you be saluting your crew this Oct as they move their families into shoe boxes and local schools. What’s with a salute anyway? Cathay pilots are not gladiators!!!!. They were paid professional s, well paid, to avoid unnecessary risk, which I suspect your corporate safety department s about to become very well versed. Good luck with the resignation rate and your world class CF.

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Old 12th Jan 2022, 20:46
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Originally Posted by Ecam321 View Post
https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=I...ature=youtu.be

your man is standing up for you guys.
Ecam you called this one wrong. All subsequent comments have nailed it. Who was it who said once you can fake sincerity you’ve got it made. Step forward Patrick; Jellyfish; Hughes (naw cancel that last one, he doesn’t even pretend)
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Old 12th Jan 2022, 21:40
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Better than being "terminated by email" permanently.
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Old 13th Jan 2022, 01:33
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So when Mr Healy said a small number of “crew” had broken the quarantine requirements, were these crew, the Flight Attendents or Pilots?
Were they local or expats?

Having left CX quite some time ago when the writing was on the wall, it’s easy to be happily out of touch. From the vilification we read in overseas news, it’s is as if the expats and the vestiges of the old colonial airline are equally at fault.

The airline I was lucky enough to join in the 80’s seems sadly to be very different from the one demonised by the HK government today.
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Old 13th Jan 2022, 04:03
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Not sure I mentioned anything about agreeing with what they have done with bases, salary, conditions, medical, lifestyle, rosters. I only insinuated that at least someone is addressing the huge elephant in the room, maybe it’s just a PR stunt or maybe it helps with the insurance when there is an incident. CX is a business operating in China, it needs to pander to the government. It is a business that requires revenue to survive, and for anyone that works for them to survive. I also mentioned he will eventually fall on his sword, he will definitely take his bonus and walk away. At least he has made the general public aware of the crazy restrictions all the crews have been abiding by for nearly 2 years - all to allow the old folks their daily dose of abalone and lobster. Do I think he or any other manager cares much for the welfare? No. Read the yammer posts, people want some sort of support from the top for the constant abuse they are receiving from the media and general public.
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Old 15th Jan 2022, 22:51
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Old 16th Jan 2022, 03:08
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FWIW, a fair number of princes are leaving the sinking ship.
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Old 16th Jan 2022, 06:37
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Originally Posted by Freehills View Post
FWIW, a fair number of princes are leaving the sinking ship.
And they're irreplaceable! Do you know how hard it is to find managers with cola bottling experience nowadays?
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Old 16th Jan 2022, 09:00
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Originally Posted by Diogenes. View Post
And they're irreplaceable! Do you know how hard it is to find managers with cola bottling experience nowadays?
I prefer the zoologist type 🙄
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Old 16th Jan 2022, 12:38
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True. But the bonuses and housing allowances aren’t enough to make them stay in HK, and they aren’t even having to do the closed loop shit. Food for thought
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Old 16th Jan 2022, 14:26
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'Delta variant may be spreading in Hong Kong'
https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/compone...abChangeable=0

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Old 17th Jan 2022, 04:18
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New Omicron flow chart - to be inserted at the next Ops Manual A update:

(Doesn’t matter if you don’t read barb-wire, it’s self explanatory)




And in some other news:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ndemic-worsens



From the horses mouth:

“What you have been through during the past two years is quite simply unparalleled.”

(and cheers to MY big fat bonus)


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Old 17th Jan 2022, 04:45
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Originally Posted by Cury Lamb View Post
New Omicron flow chart - to be inserted at the next Ops Manual A update:

(Doesn’t matter if you don’t read barb-wire, it’s self explanatory)



can’t read it lah. Is there an English version?
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Old 17th Jan 2022, 05:08
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Yes:

Cafay Specific - the mother of all evil.
(in the eyes of the govt, public etc.)

Any other questions?
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Old 17th Jan 2022, 09:10
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CX gets what it deserves.
The FUNNY thing is all the pilots that are moaning 24/7 are still putting their names down for CL/EDTF/TERPS! That's beyond a joke. You are causing your own pain.

Time away from family...
Mental health...
Getting locked up in PB...
Have not seen family in 2 years...
and the list goes on but, pay us more for loops, give me more credit!

How about considering your family or mental health and take some time off! At the end of this year COS18 is in full force, schooling is reduced to nothing, housing is finished, medical is already absolutely useless and then we will be all on minimum pay. But most people are asking for more money LOL.

I guess the company can buy your mental health!
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Old 17th Jan 2022, 09:46
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Originally Posted by herewego75 View Post
CX gets what it deserves.
The FUNNY thing is all the pilots that are moaning 24/7 are still putting their names down for CL/EDTF/TERPS! That's beyond a joke. You are causing your own pain.

Time away from family...
Mental health...
Getting locked up in PB...
Have not seen family in 2 years...
and the list goes on but, pay us more for loops, give me more credit!

How about considering your family or mental health and take some time off! At the end of this year COS18 is in full force, schooling is reduced to nothing, housing is finished, medical is already absolutely useless and then we will be all on minimum pay. But most people are asking for more money LOL.

I guess the company can buy your mental health!

The company won’t be around to pay for your health. Mental or otherwise.
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Old 17th Jan 2022, 10:18
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Originally Posted by herewego75 View Post
CX gets what it deserves.
The FUNNY thing is all the pilots that are moaning 24/7 are still putting their names down for CL/EDTF/TERPS! That's beyond a joke. You are causing your own pain.

Time away from family...
Mental health...
Getting locked up in PB...
Have not seen family in 2 years...
and the list goes on but, pay us more for loops, give me more credit!

How about considering your family or mental health and take some time off! At the end of this year COS18 is in full force, schooling is reduced to nothing, housing is finished, medical is already absolutely useless and then we will be all on minimum pay. But most people are asking for more money LOL.

I guess the company can buy your mental health!
The reality is that pilots are becoming a low paid skill set.

Inflicting oneself to this mental anguish for financial compensation says a lot about the profession. In other countries their self worth is slightly higher, but CX has found a new bottom.

This truly is the ‘boiler room’ on a 1800’s Swire steam ship.
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