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DSS Resignation

Old 3rd Feb 2019, 01:07
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The NC would have a lot easier job negotiating with the company if the membership would step things up. Sadly with a spineless membership we vote no and then do absolutely everything but step it up. We ditch DS because he suggested we need to grow a pair?
If this is anything like TA16 the company won’t offer anything else and only 10 guys a month will leave unlike the hundreds a month that everyone talks about. Seen how many have resigned from the AOA recently because they’ve left the company? CX will get around the training ban and save a truckload of money every time we vote down a payrise.

Next up we’ll bleat about more trainers needing to resign and push for a recruitment ban, anything to avoid actually doing anything ourselves.

We barely get enough to volunteer to fill the GC and no one wants the Presidents job. And idiots on here want them all gone.

Keyboard warriors.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 03:21
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Morningcoffee, are you DSS? It would explain a lot. Please do the honorable thing and step down. If you weren't effective before, you certainly aren't effective now!
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 03:23
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Morning Coffee, you are 100%
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 05:20
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Originally Posted by morningcoffee View Post
The NC would have a lot easier job negotiating with the company if the membership would step things up. Sadly with a spineless membership we vote no and then do absolutely everything but step it up. We ditch DS because he suggested we need to grow a pair?
If this is anything like TA16 the company won’t offer anything else and only 10 guys a month will leave unlike the hundreds a month that everyone talks about. Seen how many have resigned from the AOA recently because they’ve left the company? CX will get around the training ban and save a truckload of money every time we vote down a payrise.

Next up we’ll bleat about more trainers needing to resign and push for a recruitment ban, anything to avoid actually doing anything ourselves.

We barely get enough to volunteer to fill the GC and no one wants the Presidents job. And idiots on here want them all gone.

Keyboard warriors.

MC your worst fears are keeping you awake at night. The membership and thankfully a very large percentage of relatively new employees have rejected your threats and intimdation. Your lapdog president and GC are disgraced and no longer command the respect or loyalty of the members. They are therefore ideal candidates for 3rd floor FOP jobs and are probably calling in your promises today. Monday sees you at a 10 am meeting called by RH ( who flew back from London ) where you will either be given your marching orders and thrown back to line operations ( God help you there ) or you will be told to brace yourself for years more of struggle. Is it really worth that to you. Your extra 20% buys your contempt and distrust by every pilot in the company. Your third floor desk a tombstone to your career. Your're finished and you don't even know it.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 12:09
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MC is busy looking for a new job. Or at least he should be. Having said that, i'll miss his comical attempts to impersonate a pilot, and his rather frantic and hysterical posts attempting to manipulate the votes of real pilots. Either way, he is nothing but noise on this website.
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 17:34
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Votes are nothing without action and you shouldn't have to be lead by the hand to do that, I don't see anything happening. That is the state of this group of employees, all talk, no action, always blaming someone else, scared to stand up for themselves and always want someone else to do the dirty work for them.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 03:31
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Originally Posted by Samsonite View Post
Votes are nothing without action and you shouldn't have to be lead by the hand to do that, I don't see anything happening. That is the state of this group of employees, all talk, no action, always blaming someone else, scared to stand up for themselves and always want someone else to do the dirty work for them.
The worm has turned. For the first time the pilots have OVERWHELMINGLY rejected a company offer and the AOA recommendation to accept it. This is new territory for the management and will need a new approach and departure from their victorian management style. Unfortunately, their entire management team was brought up on such a style so a change is needed from top to toe. Watch this space. The pilots need to just sit tight. Aeroplanes can fly without managers, checkin staff, admin people, cabin crew and directors but they can't fly without PILOTS and CX is still an airline ( just ) and needs planes in the sky.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 04:56
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Why resign when you’re taking in around 100k HKD on top of your salary (plus whatever the company’s bought them all off for) for crafting a few letters now and then. Can you believe that the Chairman makes that much?? Time maybe we all had a rethink about what that position is worth. Surely not that much. Maybe it’s been abused so much now and in the past for a reason.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 05:02
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This is like a bad CNN loop.
Now we have MB off the big twin proposing motions seconded by JFK. The same guy who called the company on his leave day to save the day and to operate back from oztralia and the committee tuned a blind eye to it.Was duly reported, and now proposing motions. What a joke. Some are apparently exempt from it. Wish I was in that club. CC is a minor inconvenience at best.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 05:58
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Where were all the keyboard warriors last election challenging DS? Hiding away like little pu##ies!!
Step up and lead us forward to the 20% payrise that is obviously just around the corner!
RF was militant but he was voted out. Now everyone is complaining that DS isn’t militant.
That only thing we know for sure is we won’t be getting more money for a longer time. How have we won?
All the crazy motions being put forward make us look like a bunch of complete idiots. Most of them wouldn’t be legal but old mate keeps persisting on with them anyway.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 07:43
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It’s a poker game, with imperfect information. We didn’t fold, and are instead calling their bluff. Frankly there was so little on the plate it was an easy choice. We’ll see their hand soon enough.

Breathe, xwindlg.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 07:58
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You're right, Xw, this did indeed
make us look like a bunch of complete idiots
, the difference is that the "us" you're referring to is not the pilot body.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 08:02
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Originally Posted by Xwindldg View Post
Where were all the keyboard warriors last election challenging DS? Hiding away like little pu##ies!!
Step up and lead us forward to the 20% payrise that is obviously just around the corner!
RF was militant but he was voted out. Now everyone is complaining that DS isn’t militant.
That only thing we know for sure is we won’t be getting more money for a longer time. How have we won?
All the crazy motions being put forward make us look like a bunch of complete idiots. Most of them wouldn’t be legal but old mate keeps persisting on with them anyway.
ds was voted in because rf and gf split the vote. Rf and gf both combined had more votes than just ds.
Or so I’ve been told at least.
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 09:36
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RF + GF got more votes, that proves nothing. I’m sure if you added the votes of all losing candidates in any kind of vote they would equal more than the winner.

Where was the flood of hardened expert negotiators and union leaders during the last election? There are obviously lots in the AOA going by the forums. You can bet these same warriors will be uncontactable or away from Hong Kong in the event of any IA escalation event. DS actually talks about it and these same brave warriors lose their minds in outrage. Hilarious!
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Old 4th Feb 2019, 12:59
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Xwindldg, I see you and MC are flailing all over the forums desperately trying to sow dissension. Not only are you transparently company lap dogs, but you lost. Lost big. Get over it and perhaps try and find a job your mother would actually be proud of you for. Working 12 hours a day in your Swire cubicle must be soul destroying. Why don't the two of you just resign and go on holiday together, somewhere your morals and outlook will make you welcome, like Venezuela.
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 14:44
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Originally Posted by Air Profit View Post
Xwindldg, I see you and MC are flailing all over the forums desperately trying to sow dissension. Not only are you transparently company lap dogs, but you lost. Lost big. Get over it and perhaps try and find a job your mother would actually be proud of you for. Working 12 hours a day in your Swire cubicle must be soul destroying. Why don't the two of you just resign and go on holiday together, somewhere your morals and outlook will make you welcome, like Venezuela.
Where to begin. Pilots have won nothing, they won nothing back when they rejected TA16 and a 6% payrise. I’ve lost count of how many, like yourself, bleated on about a better offer turning up. And they’re still bleating on.
The company offered crap because the members won’t step up. 3 years from now it will be 7 years without a payrise. And AOA members like yourself will be pushing for a change to the lanyard colour.
So brave. You want to guess how much all these no votes save the company?
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 15:52
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Bit late to be typing away in your cubicle isnt it MC? Either we work for CX under a proper contract, or we will work for another company that does. What we won’t do is sell out our dignity and integrity and end up as the type of person you obviously are.
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 15:55
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.....and in case you missed it. The NO vote was much larger this time around than for the previous TA. That says about everything that needs saying about the Swire’s and their management mindset. Someone like you simply will never get it. Without integrity a d character you never will.
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 22:39
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That would be the dignity integrity and character that allowed 49 (51) of your colleagues to be sacked with no comeback, let alone a strike vote then? That episode besmirches the dignity integrity and character of every pilot employed by CX at that time, bar none.
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Old 5th Feb 2019, 23:01
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Sadly the pilot body doesn’t have the stomach to walk , maybe one day they will summon up the courage , but for now the derisory offer from the company made it very easy to say no . It wasn’t a hard decision at all ,1% of sweet F’A is still F’A
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