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My question was serious. Spanners said he will withhold favours from pilots who are fed up of doing j/s favours for the unappreciative, entitled types while preferring to prioritize j/s for the flight crew who have had so much taken from them already.
Other than the pilots who violate seniority-based request systems and/or sell themselves short by making special deals with crew control and/or working extra (in which case the deal is usually with management, not the individual), what exchange of favours takes place between employees? In particular, what favours does Spanners intend to withhold from pilots?
Other than the pilots who violate seniority-based request systems and/or sell themselves short by making special deals with crew control and/or working extra (in which case the deal is usually with management, not the individual), what exchange of favours takes place between employees? In particular, what favours does Spanners intend to withhold from pilots?
Last edited by Iron Skillet; 30th Jun 2012 at 23:08.
The jumps on CX flights are always appreciated fellas 
Shame to hear about the J4 as it is an unwritten law that pilot's get J1. Call a KA mate to try and sure things up if needed
Shame to hear about the J4 as it is an unwritten law that pilot's get J1. Call a KA mate to try and sure things up if needed
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I was struggling to fly recently and all JS requests were ignored. B777-300 with 2 man crew who were rostered to fly the sector since published. CN just could not be bothered to access the JS request system. Can I be bothered when he asks me for a JS .....
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Spanners
My apologies Spanners.
Despite not mentioning you guys, for me it goes without saying that you are also welcome at any time, and along with crew your reqests for the JS do get actioned favorably.
From a personal point of view, 1)you guys in general are the one group in CX that we trust, and 2) you are potentially valuable on the JS.
So IronSkillets view is not representative of the quiet minority.
To the guy who didn't get on a KA jumpseat, I reckon you may have just been unlucky. I've found the KA guys good, but likewise I always reciprocate when I can. I applied for one to Hanoi and back, not only were they both granted, but the KA skipper scheduled to operate back was considerate enough to later give me a heads up that the flight had become a training flt which he was no longer operating.
Despite not mentioning you guys, for me it goes without saying that you are also welcome at any time, and along with crew your reqests for the JS do get actioned favorably.
From a personal point of view, 1)you guys in general are the one group in CX that we trust, and 2) you are potentially valuable on the JS.
So IronSkillets view is not representative of the quiet minority.
To the guy who didn't get on a KA jumpseat, I reckon you may have just been unlucky. I've found the KA guys good, but likewise I always reciprocate when I can. I applied for one to Hanoi and back, not only were they both granted, but the KA skipper scheduled to operate back was considerate enough to later give me a heads up that the flight had become a training flt which he was no longer operating.
Spanners is always welcome on my JS. All spanners are essential parts of the team and not - in my opinion - to be grouped with 'ground staff' who seem to hold us in the same contempt as their Lords (Princes) and Masters.
How did we get here? Who's brilliant idea was it to run a succesful airline by alienating most of its aircrew???
How did we get here? Who's brilliant idea was it to run a succesful airline by alienating most of its aircrew???
Ref KS JS
The system on the KA website isn't working as advertised at the mo. Captains are not getting e-mail notifications of JS requests, and it they are as reticent as me about clicking on Crew Direct (because we don't like getting bad news) then the chances are your request may not be noticed. I would suggest a private e-mail asking for you request to be considered. Personally, I don't mind this and will always reply. I will also try and allocate as I see fit taking into account that some of the KA crew can use cabin JS.
Also, some like me leave it for a while before acknowledging the request so they can prioritise. On a recent HKT flight, I had six requests, four from pilots. I'm sorry CX guys, the KA pilot and his wife got on first. As it happened, despite showing red/red, there was twenty seats available down the back as I suspect a travel agent cancelled their allocation - common on the HKT and BKI flights.
As an aside, I have only had one acknowlegdement to the JS requests I have made on CX.
Also, some like me leave it for a while before acknowledging the request so they can prioritise. On a recent HKT flight, I had six requests, four from pilots. I'm sorry CX guys, the KA pilot and his wife got on first. As it happened, despite showing red/red, there was twenty seats available down the back as I suspect a travel agent cancelled their allocation - common on the HKT and BKI flights.
As an aside, I have only had one acknowlegdement to the JS requests I have made on CX.
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Must say that I allocate from J2 onwards. I never considered starting at J3 (to allow for J1's wife etc.) Might do from now on.
Spanners are welcome on my J1 as well.
Spanners are welcome on my J1 as well.
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Thanks longtimecx and arfur, it's easy to paint everybody with the same brush, I know you guys do what you can for us unmentioned ones. It is appreciated. I guess I've been lucky, only ever had to ask for a jumpseat once in 18 years so not doing too badly I guess.
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Spanners I couldn't believe the reply you got from ISkillet - WAW.
In fact the first part of this thread made me think we had school kids in the LHS. Fortunately it has improved in the latter part so maybe we do have some mature captains after all.
In fact the first part of this thread made me think we had school kids in the LHS. Fortunately it has improved in the latter part so maybe we do have some mature captains after all.
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Yes! Unbelievable!
Third time: What favours does Spanners intend to withhold from pilots?
He said it, not me. I'd still like to know what HE suggested in HIS threat what HE intends to do.
Third time: What favours does Spanners intend to withhold from pilots?
He said it, not me. I'd still like to know what HE suggested in HIS threat what HE intends to do.
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I guess you'll find out when you ask "hey eng can you....." 
We don't ask for much just the chance to get home, normally after a 10-12 week course stuck in the Headland, and thanks to the wonderful duty travel system get waitlisted/standby.
We don't ask for much just the chance to get home, normally after a 10-12 week course stuck in the Headland, and thanks to the wonderful duty travel system get waitlisted/standby.
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Anyone who takes the time to send a reasoned request the old fashioned way via phone or personal email will get whatever help I am able to give. The annon. JS req through the system is incredibly impersonal and open to abuse, i.e. multiple J1/J2's. I used to write to the multiple JS holders explaining the selfishness of their actions but after a gazillon unanswered emails I now enjoy the power of the decline button......but they still reapply citing system error, Muppets!
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Nothing to do with what I'm paid to do, a lot of crews ask for things that have nothing whatsoever to do with what I'm paid for, most are polite and courteous when doing so, we aim to please, even if it means going out of our way to accommodate them and their requests, it's not difficult but it can detract from what I'm there for, crew bus fails to turn up for instance, capt/fo has a train or flt to catch, can you just take me to the terminal.
Of course, never mind the 4ft of snow and that I've been here 12hrs already, got to service your late inbound flt. But hey ho I guess these little things don't count for anything these days, well for some anyway. Some just expect. Guess its not like the good old days anymore.
Anyway I'm out of here got a jumpseat to fix! (which is part of my job).
Of course, never mind the 4ft of snow and that I've been here 12hrs already, got to service your late inbound flt. But hey ho I guess these little things don't count for anything these days, well for some anyway. Some just expect. Guess its not like the good old days anymore.
Anyway I'm out of here got a jumpseat to fix! (which is part of my job).
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Well said Arfur. I'm pretty disappointed at Iron Skillet's attempt to stir up an argument. WAW says it all. In any case, Spanners and his workmates are always welcome on my jumpseats.
As for the Oz commuter who hogs multiple J1's, I hope he is reading this and gets the message. He is well known amongst those who are regulars on that route.
Can't say I agree with starting at J3 though. Leaving J1 open seems to be reasonable to save a seat for fellow pilots or last minute requests due to compasionate or other good reasons.
As for the Oz commuter who hogs multiple J1's, I hope he is reading this and gets the message. He is well known amongst those who are regulars on that route.
Can't say I agree with starting at J3 though. Leaving J1 open seems to be reasonable to save a seat for fellow pilots or last minute requests due to compasionate or other good reasons.
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FACT
as a pilot in Cx sister airline, I can state without reservation that since the ability to request jumpseats that NONE of my jump seat requests have ever been actioned by a CX captain. whether the loads have been green or red, JS previously released or not, pending or nothing pending that ALL without exception have NEVER been actioned by CX captains.
So whats the problem
as a pilot in Cx sister airline, I can state without reservation that since the ability to request jumpseats that NONE of my jump seat requests have ever been actioned by a CX captain. whether the loads have been green or red, JS previously released or not, pending or nothing pending that ALL without exception have NEVER been actioned by CX captains.
So whats the problem
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I'm with CRWJERK, why is spanners traveling on a JS when he/she is quite obviously on duty travel?
If the company has kept you in HKG for a course or for whatever reason, you should be in a confirmed seat both directions!
If the company has kept you in HKG for a course or for whatever reason, you should be in a confirmed seat both directions!
If the company has kept you in HKG for a course or for whatever reason, you should be in a confirmed seat both directions!
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