new recruiting grounds for CX

[climbout]

Slowjet: Well said! - nothing to add.

[jetjockey696]

Good luck CX.. and the instructors.. remember guys run your LEFT PACKS on HIGH (I hope BOEING guys get my drift) on accepting on these guys..

i got information yesterday that an Indonesian airline, have stopped taking Indian pilots even though they are desperately in of need pilots... they found of these indian pilots where of poor standards, and found a few with fake typeratings and Indian licenses..Meaning, they paid a official to endorse a typerating without any training on that type.. the airline found it troublesome to validate the Indian DGCA licence, it took ages, even longer than SE Asian time..for doing things...

[crwjerk]

The pilot being referred to in the news article, the link for which has been provided above, was an Air India management pilot. No other set of pilots has more influence over DGCA than them. If THEY cannot get away with reporting drunk for duty, I can quite confidently say, nobody else can.


How does it work in other countries? Do you have to take breath tests before every flight?

How does it work in other countries? This guy wouldn't have been able to bribe his way out of being FIRED, that's how it works in other countries.

[robin.pereira]

spot on. the current prime minister of india is just a puppet. he is answerable to certain other people who are running the country. we are helpless and can't do anything about it. revolutions and protests are on the streets, but they fade away in no time. media is controlled by the government. so they try to bring down the issue if it goes out of hand. the rich and the upper-middle class couldn't be happier living a great life in india. there's plenty and plenty of money there. it is obviously the lower middle class and the poor that are suffering which is shown to all of you watching BBC/CNN. it will take decades for things to get better.

as for the recruiters at CX, I don't think they would even bother looking at the indian licence, when the prsopective cadet holds an Australian/NZ CPL. those pilots will have an added advantage over the others. there are many indian pilots who were trained in australia and some of them have been selected for the 2nd stage in hong kong. I'm sure they're as good as some of the pilots in australia, considering they went through the same training standards.

by the way, is the simulator check ride done during stage 2? what is the pilot checked on? NDB, VOR intercepts? ILS?

[ixg888]

HSI and RMI would be key...Intercept for one is very important, I think for advance entry cadets holding procedures like parallel , direct and teardrop entry would be key.

Localizer, ILS and glideslope check should be fun..

[crwjerk]

NDB approaches no longer allowed at CX so why bother studying it?

[pasa001]

BYE BYE shivamjoshi

[ixg888]

Sensitivity sometimes reaches a point of boredom.. Further elongates insubstantial infos..

Anyhow..

I think flight grading will be composed of nav flights and maneuvers.. Just wondering how to land a grob low wing compared to a cessna... Ground effect must be a diff feel .. Anyone who have tried to fly a grob?

[j3pipercub]

Yes, flare and then take both hands off the controls, put them above your head and yell AUTOLAND!!!

[ixg888]

Hahaha.. i wonder why your still alive.. Flying that way.

[Sqwak7700]

Just wondering how to land a grob low wing compared to a cessna... Ground effect must be a diff feel .. Anyone who have tried to fly a grob

Must be terribly hard, I'm sure some magical human being has tried... and succeeded! Surely, if you can land a grob, or any low wing light trainer, there will be several major airlines beating on your front door so that you may bring these magical skills to their training departments. :roll eyes:

[Sqwak7700]

Crashes continue to plague Indian air force

Maybe CX can start a training program for the air-force. 33 crashes in 3 years. Wow, lets get some of these guys on board, only the best for Hong Kong's premier carrier.

[robin.pereira]

haha. look at you guys. a bunch of jobless nitwits digging up articles and reports on india. i'm very glad that all of you are taking keen interest in my country and its issues. if you have so much time in life (rather than flying for CX), I think you should just quit, come here and sort things out.

how come you don't want to take some time off in posting news reports on the crimes, scandals in your country and the airplane crashes (GA or not) and criticize the crappy pilots from there, and some of them even ending up at CX.

you have no clue about the pilots who cleared the CX stage 1 interview in india. if you choose to be ignorant about our skills, you're in deep trouble. but we are as good as some of you. you just go by the reports of the local newspaper and boom - there comes the verdict. do some in-depth analysis and research. you start bashing and whining when the news of fake pilots was out and started talking crap about us. but you forgot that not all 12,000 pilots had fake licences. you forgot to mention that the dgca did a good job by taking stern action against those who had fake licences.

what is your point in putting up all these reports here? people awareness. you're doing it to the wrong people then. let me give you a good tip to that not-so-smart brain of yours - why don't you make a presentation to chris pratt, john slosar and richard hall about your worries regarding indian pilots instead? they will definitely listen to you, won't they? i thought all of you were sensible enough to realize that the very same indian pilots who got selected for stage 2 are not going to listen to your BS. how are you even going to work in a multi-cultural organization? you wouldn't even tolerate it I reckon. CX made a big mistake by hiring you. are you guys actually working for CX? you don't even have the gall to reveal your names. what are you scared of?

[Cumguzzler]

I thought we already tried Indian S/O's... BTW, she's no longer with us.

You Tube

[robin.pereira]

oh yes, now we come back to the same old story...she (an indian S/O) was terminated.

all the brits/aussies/canadians/americans are happy and clapping together rejoicing that moment.

[Gligg]

It's not about skills, or which country produces better pilots (i havent seen a correlation between nationality and flying skill personally) It's about crewing aircraft at the lowest cost. To buy experience from developed countries is relatively expensive - they have to provide for an equivalent standard of living or nobody with experience will bite (as was demonstrated when C scale was initially offered to the B scale holding pool)
Offering C scale to Ab initio is a different story - many are willing to take a lowball offer in exchange for the 'security' of going to a legacy carrier from day one, thus eliminating/minimising the risks, teethgrinding and headaches of 'climbing the ladder' to the big jets.

Going to developing countries on the other hand opens up an opportunity to crew at a cheaper rate, not just for ab initio, but to bring in experienced Jet drivers on lower rates as well. One man's lowball deal is another's way to a better life.

It's a shame that CX is taking this route, but hey, I'd probably do it too if I were the one filling out the ledger books.

[Sqwak7700]

you forgot to mention that the dgca did a good job by taking stern action against those who had fake licences.

Honestly, I would like to nominate you for the most ignorant statement award. The same organization that allowed all these fake licenses ruled that the reason was "rapid expansion". Yeah, that is to blame. Not the incompetence and corruption on their shoulders. If only there was an agency whose purpose was to uphold safety in the face of commercial pressure...

I'm gonna enjoy flying with you. You seem to have a good sense of humor.

[robin.pereira]

I'm gonna enjoy flying with you. You seem to have a good sense of humor.

Of course I do. You might get lucky to see it one day. But I don't know who you are, cause you haven't revealed your name yet.

I wish CX would read this entire thread and many more on all your troubles and worries regarding the airline. not one of you is able to address this issue to the company. instead, you will always log onto PPRuNe and do all the bashing which is very very unprofessional. you folks keep telling us 'you have been warned' or 'don't tell me you weren't warned' and all that nonsense.

it isn't we who degraded this glorified profession. it is your company that did so. blame it on them, not us you imbeciles !! don't question our standards. many of us (not all of us) have done the same training in your country as you did.

[SloppyJoe]

I wish CX would read this entire thread and many more on all your troubles and worries regarding the airline. not one of you is able to address this issue to the company.

How do you know that? There have been many senior pilots, training captains, management pilots voicing their concerns about the new path CX is taking with recruiting. Its one of the reasons many who used to are no longer conducting interviews. This is constantly brought up as being a bad idea, not only on pprune but also in the management offices at Cathay City. Once again it is not about race it is about hiring the lowest qualified guys on the lowest package, the ratio of competent pilots in CX will fall. Yes some will be good, some outstanding but the ones who should probably not be in a cockpit will increase. It just so happens that Indias track record with aviation is a bit of a joke and that is where CX is focusing some resources for recruitment. It just shocks those who remember the standards that used to be imposed on new joiners.

[robin.pereira]

It just so happens that Indias track record with aviation is a bit of a joke and that is where CX is focusing some resources for recruitment.

You are right. but isn't cathay going to pick the best among the indian pilots and not all??????? do not underestimate us. whether you like it or not, have faith that only the best will get through. don't judge us on the basis of our past records. you are again criticizing the entire indian pilot community.