CX Hiring First Officers? When?
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...you're an FO obviously... and of course you would know what it takes for a Captain to stay proficient ? If a Captain is based, 1 out of 2 means two to three sectors a month. About minimal to stay properly proficient. I realise that doesn't fit with your agenda however.
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Does that Profit guy have a life?
Oh yeah, of course.....because no FO or SO has EVER been a captain before joining CX...or flown single pilot high performance jets all by himself (as the captain) that require 1000 times more brain power and talent than being an airline pilot on Y1 or yet another ILS somewhere...or trained other pilots with zero or little experience unlike the airline FOs with 2000-15000 hours and 10-25 years of experience...or done anything as demanding as.....oh, nevermind, no point upsetting your little fantasy perception about yourself, or you might have to go back to worrying about your willy!
Agenda? Work = money deposited into bank account.
Agenda? Work = money deposited into bank account.
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.....ooooohh, a bit techy aren't we? Sure, all the FO's I fly with are ace's. Cathay only hires the best..... All those ex Beech 1900 skippers are really the 'best of the best'. Lucky for CX they were available instead of all those ex BA/BC/QA/BM 747/DC10/etc drivers they managed to get in the 80's and early 90's.
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Will it really take a list of all the captains' screw ups to shut you up and get you off your high horse? Or just the list of recent ones at CX? Or just this year's demotions maybe? Get over yourself, buddy....it ain't that hard, and nobody gives a crap anyways.
Wankers with your attitude, that's what we call the law of unintended consequences, of seniority in this case.
I wonder how you went from being such a fully unreliable, incompetent, inexperienced, unworthy FO to suddenly being so awesome, valuable and special. Oh yeah, you didn't!
Wankers with your attitude, that's what we call the law of unintended consequences, of seniority in this case.
I wonder how you went from being such a fully unreliable, incompetent, inexperienced, unworthy FO to suddenly being so awesome, valuable and special. Oh yeah, you didn't!
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...you're an FO obviously... and of course you would know what it takes for a Captain to stay proficient ? If a Captain is based, 1 out of 2 means two to three sectors a month. About minimal to stay properly proficient. I realise that doesn't fit with your agenda however.
No, I am afraid you're wrong, I am a CN and so I think I know what it takes for ME to stay proficient, although that's up for others to decide several times every year. So far without any problems.
I know I can only speak for myself, but I take 2 per month and hand the rest out to whoever is in need of a sector, weather etc not being a factor. If you need more - fine, I still think for a CN at CX 2 per month plus being a part of the operating crew (i.e. in the seat) for the rest of them is enough. We also have a responsibility to make takeoffs and landings available to FOs and JFOs, and it is beyond belief when some CN will not allow an FO to fly when going to an RT/PC or linecheck or has a TL on his roster.
What I do know is jumping to conclusions based on insufficient information is the road to all evil !!!
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Thread drift ECAM actions
Everyone should know by now that I like a good thread drift as much as the next person. I'm not sure how this one has gone from hiring to competence but it's amusing nonetheless as showcases bias, superiority complexes and the inability of some to have a rational debate without spittle impacting the faces of their opponents (figuratively speaking, of course). All at the stroke of a few keys on a keyboard. So, well done whoever made the first nudge on the rudder pedals.
As far as sharing the flying goes, isn't there something in Ops A at 8.3.4.1 about this? Finally, currency doesn't necessarily equal competence, whichever seat you happen to be sitting in.
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As far as sharing the flying goes, isn't there something in Ops A at 8.3.4.1 about this? Finally, currency doesn't necessarily equal competence, whichever seat you happen to be sitting in.
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Let us suppose that CX is not able to hire the required number of crews for the 40 or so additional airframes arriving over the next 3 years....
What do we suspect (or dread) their scheme and plans involve? All those of us who have been here for more than half a dog watch know that there will be contingency plans being drawn up, right now, as we argue amongst ourselves about trivia.
This could be an even worse scenario than DEFOs (and I'm not an advocate of that).
What do we suspect (or dread) their scheme and plans involve? All those of us who have been here for more than half a dog watch know that there will be contingency plans being drawn up, right now, as we argue amongst ourselves about trivia.
This could be an even worse scenario than DEFOs (and I'm not an advocate of that).
Yes Max, I share your cynicism. However, yet another glossy offer to 'upgrade your career' with CX in Flight 28th June issue (second week running), which incidentally is upstaged by a larger Emirates ad on the opposite page!
The CX ad just gives a reference to the web site but the Emirates ad refers to taking your career 'further, faster' (italics mine). How many A380s have they got on order again?
Two large and growing airlines duking it out for recruits. Who'd 'a' thunk it?
The CX ad just gives a reference to the web site but the Emirates ad refers to taking your career 'further, faster' (italics mine). How many A380s have they got on order again?
Two large and growing airlines duking it out for recruits. Who'd 'a' thunk it?
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.....ooooohh, a bit techy aren't we? Sure, all the FO's I fly with are ace's. Cathay only hires the best..... All those ex Beech 1900 skippers are really the 'best of the best'. Lucky for CX they were available instead of all those ex BA/BC/QA/BM 747/DC10/etc drivers they managed to get in the 80's and early 90's.
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Hahaha, I may as well join the cock fight........
Just because you....
1. Flew upside down
2. Took it up the ass
3. Said " YES SIR" as part of your job description,
does not make you any better than an ex Beech 1900 skipper.
Cathay only hires the best..... All those ex Beech 1900 skippers are really the 'best of the best'.
1. Flew upside down
2. Took it up the ass
3. Said " YES SIR" as part of your job description,
does not make you any better than an ex Beech 1900 skipper.
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...not to mention that it actually takes a lot more talent, skill, thinking, decision-making, airmanship and effort to be a Beech 1900 (or similar) captain (or FO) than it does to fly a big jet at a large, regulated, experienced major airline equipped with worldwide IOC/dispatchers/load controllers/DDG/ACARS/SATCOM/top-end simulators and a staff of thousands behind the scenes.
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Which is it SKYGOD and if it is such a dreadful job why are you here wasting your obvious "talent"!
Or do you just want the 4 bars on your jimjams.
...not to mention that it actually takes a lot more talent, skill, thinking, decision-making, airmanship and effort to be a Beech 1900 (or similar) captain (or FO) than it does to fly a big jet at a large, regulated, experienced major airline equipped with worldwide IOC/dispatchers/load controllers/DDG/ACARS/SATCOM/top-end simulators and a staff of thousands behind the scenes.
Oh yeah, of course.....because no FO or SO has EVER been a captain before joining CX...or flown single pilot high performance jets all by himself (as the captain) that require 1000 times more brain power and talent than being an airline pilot on Y1 or yet another ILS somewhere...or trained other pilots with zero or little experience unlike the airline FOs with 2000-15000 hours and 10-25 years of experience...or done anything as demanding as.....oh, nevermind,
Or do you just want the 4 bars on your jimjams.
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Just like the teenagers at McDonald's and all other employees in the world, the ONLY reason anyone exchanges their time and qualifications to work for anyone is because they are offered money to do so. Just like a hooker. Simple.
1, 2, 3 or 4 bars is all seniority-based noise.
There are a couple of other seniority-based employee type of "professional" careers in the world....just like ours. None have anything to do with the highest paid clowns being any more special than the others in the list, myself included, it's just a matter of time, and luck, until retirement age removes the most senior or oldest from the list. Still, many seem to attribute their fortunate timing to their abilities....blah blah blah. Get over yourselves.
For many CX pilots, what they were doing before was massively more fun, challenging, interesting, difficult, special and rewarding, as captains or whatever....and now this boring easy crap (with a large % of dickheads to put up with) is ONLY about the money. Yet many others cannot face the day without their little title or embarrassing uniform and hat, as if anyone gives a crap.
1, 2, 3 or 4 bars is all seniority-based noise.
There are a couple of other seniority-based employee type of "professional" careers in the world....just like ours. None have anything to do with the highest paid clowns being any more special than the others in the list, myself included, it's just a matter of time, and luck, until retirement age removes the most senior or oldest from the list. Still, many seem to attribute their fortunate timing to their abilities....blah blah blah. Get over yourselves.
For many CX pilots, what they were doing before was massively more fun, challenging, interesting, difficult, special and rewarding, as captains or whatever....and now this boring easy crap (with a large % of dickheads to put up with) is ONLY about the money. Yet many others cannot face the day without their little title or embarrassing uniform and hat, as if anyone gives a crap.
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At least those who come on here and argue with themselves have the sense to do it under two (or maybe more) pseudonyms. You just make an ar5e out of yourself by arguing with yourself on a public forum.
BTW some of us are here because this is what we wanted to do for a very long time before actually getting the job. Of course the money is important, often more so since we live in such an expensive city but it's not the be-all and end-all.
Are you from the USA? I only ask because of the skillet in your name?
Why are so many of your compatriots so unhappy here?
At least those who come on here and argue with themselves have the sense to do it under two (or maybe more) pseudonyms. You just make an ar5e out of yourself by arguing with yourself on a public forum.
BTW some of us are here because this is what we wanted to do for a very long time before actually getting the job. Of course the money is important, often more so since we live in such an expensive city but it's not the be-all and end-all.
Are you from the USA? I only ask because of the skillet in your name?
Why are so many of your compatriots so unhappy here?
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Out of the frying pan....
Whilst I agree with Iron Skillet to some point I find the tenor of his most recent post a little sad really. He paints a picture of an individual who, when he says things like:
comes across as an unhappy person who finds it difficult to extract any satisfaction from his chosen profession. Perhaps it was the wrong choice in the first place, who knows, but it's not fair to criticise those who do still derive some pleasure from their work, Mr Reheat for example.
One thing I do disagree with though is the assumption that achieving a command in CX is purely seniority-based. Yes, seniority puts one in a position to start the course, but starting the course doesn't always equal a successful outcome. I know this will draw snorts of derision with many saying that failures are due solely to characters who have no right to be checkers in the first place - we're all entitled to our opinion. The point is that seniority, certainly in CX, is not the only criterion for advancement.
Going back to the following:
That's true of every seat in the flight deck because people are people and some of them simply aren't very pleasant.
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and now this boring easy crap (with a large % of dickheads to put up with) is ONLY about the money.
One thing I do disagree with though is the assumption that achieving a command in CX is purely seniority-based. Yes, seniority puts one in a position to start the course, but starting the course doesn't always equal a successful outcome. I know this will draw snorts of derision with many saying that failures are due solely to characters who have no right to be checkers in the first place - we're all entitled to our opinion. The point is that seniority, certainly in CX, is not the only criterion for advancement.
Going back to the following:
(with a large % of dickheads to put up with)
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