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1st - Warring Taxi companies having shoot-outs at the fuel service station in front of the crew hotel.
2nd- Rumours of a cabin crew being raped at the crew hotel.
3rd - Flight Crew bags being stolen at check in at the crew hotel.
AND NOW THIS FROM THE AOA TODAY!
Outport Security
We have recently received a report from a member about a very serious security incident in JNB, in mid July. The basic detail of the incident is that a number of crew, travelling in a hotel shuttle bus, were the victims of a serious attempted robbery. The bus was stopped by a group of men masquerading as police, under the pretence of searching the bus for counterfeit money. These men then attempted to steal passports, money and hotel room keys from the occupants of the bus. Fortunately none of the crew involved was hurt in the incident.
Given the seriousness of this incident, and the fact that firearms could so easily have been involved, we find it difficult to understand that there has been no mention of the incident by our security department; nor has there been any mention of it in the confidential security folder at dispatch.
The security department have described the incident as “very unfortunate”, but their advice is simply: “Crew should exercise extreme caution at all times when at outports, not just JNB.” That’s reassuring to know.
2nd- Rumours of a cabin crew being raped at the crew hotel.
3rd - Flight Crew bags being stolen at check in at the crew hotel.
AND NOW THIS FROM THE AOA TODAY!
Outport Security
We have recently received a report from a member about a very serious security incident in JNB, in mid July. The basic detail of the incident is that a number of crew, travelling in a hotel shuttle bus, were the victims of a serious attempted robbery. The bus was stopped by a group of men masquerading as police, under the pretence of searching the bus for counterfeit money. These men then attempted to steal passports, money and hotel room keys from the occupants of the bus. Fortunately none of the crew involved was hurt in the incident.
Given the seriousness of this incident, and the fact that firearms could so easily have been involved, we find it difficult to understand that there has been no mention of the incident by our security department; nor has there been any mention of it in the confidential security folder at dispatch.
The security department have described the incident as “very unfortunate”, but their advice is simply: “Crew should exercise extreme caution at all times when at outports, not just JNB.” That’s reassuring to know.
What the AOA didn't say was that the crew overpowered the man in the bus and drove him back to the hotel for the Police to arrest.
Crazy thing to do, they didn't know if he was armed or if his friends were armed!!
Just give em the money for gods sake, don't be heroes.
Crazy thing to do, they didn't know if he was armed or if his friends were armed!!
Just give em the money for gods sake, don't be heroes.
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There might be some sensationalism in it but easy to believe just reading the newspapers.
28 Shopping malls robbed in a week, all these by heavily armed gangs. Not just a crack head with a toy gun, these guys mean business.
Remember the government refuses to make official crime rates public. Wonder why?
See this (among others)
SA white gets refugee status: News24: SouthAfrica: News
28 Shopping malls robbed in a week, all these by heavily armed gangs. Not just a crack head with a toy gun, these guys mean business.
Remember the government refuses to make official crime rates public. Wonder why?
See this (among others)
SA white gets refugee status: News24: SouthAfrica: News
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I live in JNB and have been confronted by some criminal looking gents at my gate. I asked them what they wanted , to which they replied 'mind your own bussiness and get back in your house'. I doubt some of the accuracy that 3 of your little asian chicks apprehended and had got one of these thugs into their vehicle drove off and had him arrested - unless they have huge brass b@lls and kickstart your jumbos. Believe me - you do not f... with these characters.
And yes South Africa has crime - but it is sensationalism to add some b/sh!t article about a low life white who ran off to canada or the armed robberies - we had 2 near us and no-one hurt - WHY - because we dont F... with them!
Moderators - this will go south fast
And yes South Africa has crime - but it is sensationalism to add some b/sh!t article about a low life white who ran off to canada or the armed robberies - we had 2 near us and no-one hurt - WHY - because we dont F... with them!
Moderators - this will go south fast
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Remember the government refuses to make official crime rates public. Wonder why?
Also, what are ' official crime rates'? Who knows.
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gofor,
And what would you know of it? Were you there?
No - were you? Or maybe you can shed light on the mistery rape. If a person is raped in South Africa there is a proceedure to be followed - was this done? Was the crew only informed on your return at home base? If you know what happend maybe I could interest you in a key witness position as the hotel would like to know what eluded their CCTV systems.
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And what would you know of it? Were you there?
No - were you? Or maybe you can shed light on the mistery rape. If a person is raped in South Africa there is a proceedure to be followed - was this done? Was the crew only informed on your return at home base? If you know what happend maybe I could interest you in a key witness position as the hotel would like to know what eluded their CCTV systems.
Last edited by gofor; 8th Sep 2009 at 15:17. Reason: adding a quote
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I think it might be best if we keep the name of the hotel confidential for obvious reasons.
gofor
While I think it was unwise for the crew to have done what they did, who here said it was the girls that apprehended the individual concerned. It also blows my mind that some here compare the crime in the UK with that in SA. It’s not even in the same league. When people in the UK have to live behind fortified residence then I will accept that argument. And yes I have lived and worked in an environment that resembles SA to a “T” and I know what I am talking about.
I think it might be best if we keep the name of the hotel confidential for obvious reasons.
gofor
While I think it was unwise for the crew to have done what they did, who here said it was the girls that apprehended the individual concerned. It also blows my mind that some here compare the crime in the UK with that in SA. It’s not even in the same league. When people in the UK have to live behind fortified residence then I will accept that argument. And yes I have lived and worked in an environment that resembles SA to a “T” and I know what I am talking about.
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To all those doubters out there. This latest incident with the girls being jacked on the hotel bus is absolutely true. Happened to be on a layover in JNB when it happened and yes the girls did overpower one of the wood be hijackers and held him down until they got back to the hotel. Obviously not the recommended course of action but hey, never get between a flight attendant and her allowances!
Now I talked to the ISM who was heading straight for the security office upon arrival in HK and saw the reports that were submitted to the various departments and then neither saw nor heard jack from the company on what was a very serious incident with a real chance of someone getting killed.
I realise how important it is from a company perspective to keep accommodation costs down and the fact that we now stay in some pretty ordinary hotels around the network is more of an annoyance than anything else but this is a real security issue in one of the most dangerous cities in the world.
Throw in the marathon drive from the airport plus the less than helpful staff under the current management and surely it is time to look at alternative digs.
Probably not in my time though!
Now I talked to the ISM who was heading straight for the security office upon arrival in HK and saw the reports that were submitted to the various departments and then neither saw nor heard jack from the company on what was a very serious incident with a real chance of someone getting killed.
I realise how important it is from a company perspective to keep accommodation costs down and the fact that we now stay in some pretty ordinary hotels around the network is more of an annoyance than anything else but this is a real security issue in one of the most dangerous cities in the world.
Throw in the marathon drive from the airport plus the less than helpful staff under the current management and surely it is time to look at alternative digs.
Probably not in my time though!
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Yes this incident DID happen, I have spoken with the driver of the bus in question and one of the famed cabin crew. No heroics involved - just instinct!
As for Cabin Crew having been raped at the Hotel - I cannot say, no disrespect intended to the alleged victim but I think this is a Myth and also the supposed dead body on the balcony of a Cabin Crew's room in block 9.
Yes the hotel is in a bad location and Yes CX pays peanuts for it, are they going to move from there? Hotel staff over breakfast one morning boasted that at the price CX pays them CX wont be going any where soon..........
Due vigilance at all ports the company says, Yes I agree to a point - however things need sharpening up at our JNB Crew hotel - But then again Sten has this under his control and he is rumored to be knighted as our new GMA and as such his sights are set elsewhere than a second rate JNB hotel so so far away from the Peak.
Viva Rainbow Nation Viva - you're still my home.
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As for Cabin Crew having been raped at the Hotel - I cannot say, no disrespect intended to the alleged victim but I think this is a Myth and also the supposed dead body on the balcony of a Cabin Crew's room in block 9.
Yes the hotel is in a bad location and Yes CX pays peanuts for it, are they going to move from there? Hotel staff over breakfast one morning boasted that at the price CX pays them CX wont be going any where soon..........
Due vigilance at all ports the company says, Yes I agree to a point - however things need sharpening up at our JNB Crew hotel - But then again Sten has this under his control and he is rumored to be knighted as our new GMA and as such his sights are set elsewhere than a second rate JNB hotel so so far away from the Peak.
Viva Rainbow Nation Viva - you're still my home.
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Armed Robbery
Late last year the crew hotel was the victim of an armed robbery targeting the airline allowances in cash boxes in the main office. Two armed robbers calmly walked into the office and at gun point an demanded from the young male duty manager the XXXX coloured boxes containing CX and EK allowances. This happened on a Saturday as the the allowances were doubled up for the weekend for the Sunday and Monday crew checking in. Guaranteed 100% fact and reported to the company. The manager stated it was an inside job as the armed gunmen knew exactly the colour and location of the cash boxes.
I actually like the hotel and location.
Checked in- nice sunny day near the pool, clear blue sky, little pollution and 23c. I kept my door open to let in the sunshine.
Nice crew reception area
Nice and quiet location, no other guests running around.
Friendly staff
Nice bar
Good restaurant and good food.
Loved the Motecasino especially the Meat Co, great steaks.
Now if they'd fix the damn gym running machine.
South Africa has it's security problems, so do a lot of countries. ( Granted there's are a bit worse )
You just have to keep you head and apply common sense when out and about. Most people get into trouble because they were slack. Although I agree there is not much you can do to stop a hijacking in broad daylight!!
If you do get stopped, don't resist.
Checked in- nice sunny day near the pool, clear blue sky, little pollution and 23c. I kept my door open to let in the sunshine.
Nice crew reception area
Nice and quiet location, no other guests running around.
Friendly staff
Nice bar
Good restaurant and good food.
Loved the Motecasino especially the Meat Co, great steaks.
Now if they'd fix the damn gym running machine.
South Africa has it's security problems, so do a lot of countries. ( Granted there's are a bit worse )
You just have to keep you head and apply common sense when out and about. Most people get into trouble because they were slack. Although I agree there is not much you can do to stop a hijacking in broad daylight!!
If you do get stopped, don't resist.
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Reading through all your posts again point to an ARMED HIJACKING that was in progress when some GIRLS overpowered an ARMED HIJACKER - I am a South African male of medium build and this sounds damn stupid to place your life at risk (no disrespect if there were any boys - although I have seldom seen large asian boys serving coffee on an asian carrier). Let me point out that in South Africa an armed hijacking attempt WILL lead to a gunshot going off if there is resistance. THINK again - probably not a hi-jack and probably no firearm drawn, maybe at best an attempted bribe that went wrong.
I can imagine why there is very little made of an official report of this magnitude as it seems overblown - like someone their is looking for a hello-kitty badge or a change in hotel.
As was with the rape - no-one ever even seems to know if the girl even existed - apart from the sensationalist minds of bored uneducated rumour mongols - who probably ended the careers of some hotel employees.
I can imagine why there is very little made of an official report of this magnitude as it seems overblown - like someone their is looking for a hello-kitty badge or a change in hotel.
As was with the rape - no-one ever even seems to know if the girl even existed - apart from the sensationalist minds of bored uneducated rumour mongols - who probably ended the careers of some hotel employees.
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gofor,
Don't have knowledge of the alleged rape but I do know all details of the bus incident. It appears fortunate that weapons were not produced as the stopping was done with false police ID'd before driver and crew realised it was a robbery.
My concern with you is that you seem to have a clear determination to show nothing happens in SA. I suggest you either give useful advice or stop defending the indefensible
Don't have knowledge of the alleged rape but I do know all details of the bus incident. It appears fortunate that weapons were not produced as the stopping was done with false police ID'd before driver and crew realised it was a robbery.
My concern with you is that you seem to have a clear determination to show nothing happens in SA. I suggest you either give useful advice or stop defending the indefensible
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Quite the contrary. Alot of bad things happen in South Africa - and nowhere did I say otherwise - But reference has been made to a hijacking, thank God it was not as the rumour here has it - I will lay the rape incident to rest. Seeing as you know of the incident you may then know what happened to the 'arrested policeman' with the 'fake id'. Seeing as you know so much about this you will also know that there was a municipal strike on the go at the time, and guess what 'metro police' were on strike - so milling about in uniform doing what corrupt people do - taking bribes and you will know of having a bad day if you were hijacked at gunpoint - this by the way would require counciling. Yes this happens in South Africa. Please note there is a difference between the SAP and a metro cop.
I did not say that there was not an incident - what i am saying it was not an armed hijacking.
Quite the contrary. Alot of bad things happen in South Africa - and nowhere did I say otherwise - But reference has been made to a hijacking, thank God it was not as the rumour here has it - I will lay the rape incident to rest. Seeing as you know of the incident you may then know what happened to the 'arrested policeman' with the 'fake id'. Seeing as you know so much about this you will also know that there was a municipal strike on the go at the time, and guess what 'metro police' were on strike - so milling about in uniform doing what corrupt people do - taking bribes and you will know of having a bad day if you were hijacked at gunpoint - this by the way would require counciling. Yes this happens in South Africa. Please note there is a difference between the SAP and a metro cop.
I did not say that there was not an incident - what i am saying it was not an armed hijacking.
Dont lose any sleep
Good on the AOA for bringing this up, we, should not be rocking this boat as the company will just put us up in the intercontinental at the airport and thats no bl###y safer. The AOA should concentrate there resources on the robbery that happened to all of us from the tsotsi s we call our management and I am talking about SLS. Loss of bypass pay and direct entry skippers.
huh? so what you're saying is that the offender in question was actually a real Police officer off duty in his uniform??????????
Great,,,,,,,,,that makes me feel even safer in your country.
I change my opinion, you can keep SA to yourselves.
And stay away from Perth too
Great,,,,,,,,,that makes me feel even safer in your country.
I change my opinion, you can keep SA to yourselves.
And stay away from Perth too