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A Load of Rubbish;
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I've read through all that CNN rubbish and I have not got time to-night to tell you what I really think of it. Typical USA propaganda written for American home consumption by paper sellers sucked in by that arch villian the Dalia Lama and some street arab do gooders who saw an opportunity to stir the pot. Only a gullible fool would believe it.
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I've read through all that CNN rubbish and I have not got time to-night to tell you what I really think of it. Typical USA propaganda written for American home consumption by paper sellers sucked in by that arch villian the Dalia Lama and some street arab do gooders who saw an opportunity to stir the pot. Only a gullible fool would believe it.
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If it were rubbish, the Chinese representative that was interviewed would have denied it, no? He didn't, and then said effectively, "what does it matter anyway?". Care to retract your post now?
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828a. China is nothing but a giant prison with a billion inmates. It may 'look' like a vibrant, functioning country, but in reality it is a brutal dictatorship which brooks no dissent. Until the Chinese people are free to select their own leaders, worship any god they wish and travel without restrictions, China is, and will remain a shameful stain on the worlds desire for freedom and liberty.
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Extreme opinions on opposite ends of the scale have been put forward by posters on what exactly China is today. I would say the reality is somewhere in the middle.
Some people hate this country with so much enthusiasm that they cast aside their objectivity (and manners) when they comment on what they think they thoroughly understand. Don't let the overwhelming negativity in the media coverage be your only knowledge of China. I suspect most of you would not like to be branded as fans of Fox news but this fanatical hatred being displayed is a bit unreasonable.
Some people hate this country with so much enthusiasm that they cast aside their objectivity (and manners) when they comment on what they think they thoroughly understand. Don't let the overwhelming negativity in the media coverage be your only knowledge of China. I suspect most of you would not like to be branded as fans of Fox news but this fanatical hatred being displayed is a bit unreasonable.
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..Guru, I see....i'm supposed to find a polite way to describe a regime that brutalizes their own people and those of Tibet. Easy for you to comment as you aren't subject to the quiet but desperate brutality that their citizens are subject to every day. Perhaps you would like to 'politely' and with 'good manners' consider the fate of the brave student who stood in front of the approaching tanks during the 89 massacre? Disappeared without a trace after being arrested. I'm sure they used very polite manners in disposing of him...
ps. perhaps you could explain why Fox has the highest ratings in the industry...oh, I know, America is a land full of bigoted racists....yes, that must be it.
ps. perhaps you could explain why Fox has the highest ratings in the industry...oh, I know, America is a land full of bigoted racists....yes, that must be it.
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Apple Tree Yard, So I suppose you're subjected to the quiet but desperate brutality everyday by the way you comment on this subject? Have you ever lived there? Do you know people there? or How long have you been living in HK?
I'm a HK local and must say there were mixed feelings when HK got handed back to China back in 97'. I liked the English and thought the Chinese gov was bad too due to their communist nature. I knew we had to live with it watching the English flag gone down while the red flag went up. But now it has already been the 11th year I must say I'm impressed by how the PRC is changing and reforming. Can you say it's still a pure communist country? I wouldn't. It's more a socialist regime. and for the 11 years of Chinese rule in HK, no complaints really.
Call me brain washed or patriotic , I was educated overseas but was never ashamed to admit that i'm Chinese.
I don't see why you guys are so upset on this issue when you guys aren't even Chinese.
At the end of the day, I don't see how Olympics and politics can mix together , and for those who disagrees,
just get out of this Country, get out of Hong Kong instead of complaining all day long.
I'm a HK local and must say there were mixed feelings when HK got handed back to China back in 97'. I liked the English and thought the Chinese gov was bad too due to their communist nature. I knew we had to live with it watching the English flag gone down while the red flag went up. But now it has already been the 11th year I must say I'm impressed by how the PRC is changing and reforming. Can you say it's still a pure communist country? I wouldn't. It's more a socialist regime. and for the 11 years of Chinese rule in HK, no complaints really.
Call me brain washed or patriotic , I was educated overseas but was never ashamed to admit that i'm Chinese.
I don't see why you guys are so upset on this issue when you guys aren't even Chinese.
At the end of the day, I don't see how Olympics and politics can mix together , and for those who disagrees,
just get out of this Country, get out of Hong Kong instead of complaining all day long.
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let the jealous countryman talk.
the chinese culture mind THEIR OWN business. so why would some stupid use olympics for their political agender in their own country?
nevermind anybody else's. the chinese are reforming themselves internally, not needing advices from the countries that are already in trouble themselves.
ok, we are no bloody politican's. u can choose what you believe. but just don't fix aided or have a tunnel vision from the CNN?
chinese saying goes, Every Country has its OWN laws, Each family have their own rules.
how about, if i tell you how you should run your family, not going into detail, no doubt, you won't be a happy chappy. or giving stupid statement forcing you to do something that is not your own business: you should do this and that so that your neighbour treats their family dog better?
apologise to the vegeterians, regards to the "monkey brain desert" those are just minority and extreme and seems a very old picture cut out. why not point your gun to some african countries whose are Cannibal? i know because they are not a threat.
China is developing fast. so stay out of it, and know your facts first from the correct sources. there are more chinese out in the world than american's so which is the prison?? at least the chinese are a happy bunch, working hard in the development state.
for more, just what do you know about the talbet? if they were comparable to the Taliban (religious driven and use bombing and killing). will u accept them. so why are those two countries forcing China to do something that is JUST NOT RIGHT? only the stupid would see or believe what the Mr Diulei Lomo says. and why must china answer every b0ll0cks all the uneducated people being given false/incomplete information/story. and back to the mind your own business idea. they don't care if salone stone is having a period pain talking crap or Mr special effect movie maker is getting old linking politics to the olympics. the olympic openning will just run as spectular and as normal without the outside influences.
HONG KONG is part of CHINA. it is a fact. nevermind what anybody thinks.
if the guys that have so much political views about one's country, can you do something with the AOA? do something useful instead of farting bu11sh!t like the CNN? asking the right people with the right questions where the hell the big bucks fine to the US goverment (funny isn't it) went from the reported intrim 660million loss, instead of pointing fingers at a country that you currently work in???
mind your own business.
give it a smile. take it easy people.
the chinese culture mind THEIR OWN business. so why would some stupid use olympics for their political agender in their own country?
nevermind anybody else's. the chinese are reforming themselves internally, not needing advices from the countries that are already in trouble themselves.
ok, we are no bloody politican's. u can choose what you believe. but just don't fix aided or have a tunnel vision from the CNN?
chinese saying goes, Every Country has its OWN laws, Each family have their own rules.
how about, if i tell you how you should run your family, not going into detail, no doubt, you won't be a happy chappy. or giving stupid statement forcing you to do something that is not your own business: you should do this and that so that your neighbour treats their family dog better?
apologise to the vegeterians, regards to the "monkey brain desert" those are just minority and extreme and seems a very old picture cut out. why not point your gun to some african countries whose are Cannibal? i know because they are not a threat.
China is developing fast. so stay out of it, and know your facts first from the correct sources. there are more chinese out in the world than american's so which is the prison?? at least the chinese are a happy bunch, working hard in the development state.
for more, just what do you know about the talbet? if they were comparable to the Taliban (religious driven and use bombing and killing). will u accept them. so why are those two countries forcing China to do something that is JUST NOT RIGHT? only the stupid would see or believe what the Mr Diulei Lomo says. and why must china answer every b0ll0cks all the uneducated people being given false/incomplete information/story. and back to the mind your own business idea. they don't care if salone stone is having a period pain talking crap or Mr special effect movie maker is getting old linking politics to the olympics. the olympic openning will just run as spectular and as normal without the outside influences.
HONG KONG is part of CHINA. it is a fact. nevermind what anybody thinks.
if the guys that have so much political views about one's country, can you do something with the AOA? do something useful instead of farting bu11sh!t like the CNN? asking the right people with the right questions where the hell the big bucks fine to the US goverment (funny isn't it) went from the reported intrim 660million loss, instead of pointing fingers at a country that you currently work in???
mind your own business.
give it a smile. take it easy people.
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....Chinese can FLY !!
Many mastered the Boeing push, as well, with ease.
As far as the SMOGLYMPICS are concerned..the IOC should never have given it to them..
..and I'm not even going to get into their appaling human rights abuses debate here.. absolutely disgusting place...
..and I'm not even going to get into their appaling human rights abuses debate here.. absolutely disgusting place...
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I see....i'm supposed to find a polite way to describe a regime that brutalizes their own people and those of Tibet. Easy for you to comment as you aren't subject to the quiet but desperate brutality that their citizens are subject to every day.
ps. perhaps you could explain why Fox has the highest ratings in the industry...oh, I know, America is a land full of bigoted racists....yes, that must be it.
It may surprise you, but the Chinese government has a much higher approval rating among it's own citizens than the American government does among it's own. Much much higher. And it's not because of this repression that you talk about.
As for Tibet, if you've read about it's history, when the Dalai Lama was still in power, the regime was more repressive than it is today. But no one talks about that, of course.
However, I don't think the Chinese government is the best in the world, far from it. Tianamen square comes into mind. Yet I can't stand people who generalize everything without knowing what the actual reality is.
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Apple Tree Yard,
It was an intriguing interpretation of my post from you. I called for a balanced perspective on the reality in China but instead I am being attacked as a supporter of all that is bad about China.
No, I will not generalise Americans as bigoted racists. But according to your simplistic view of the world, just because we have not succeeded in getting rid of a bad regime and some very had habits still practiced by some of the people, we should then be generalised as "f@cking
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It was an intriguing interpretation of my post from you. I called for a balanced perspective on the reality in China but instead I am being attacked as a supporter of all that is bad about China.
No, I will not generalise Americans as bigoted racists. But according to your simplistic view of the world, just because we have not succeeded in getting rid of a bad regime and some very had habits still practiced by some of the people, we should then be generalised as "f@cking
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CHINA:
A country that has always preferred to look inward rather then outwards. A country closed off to outsiders for millenia. A country disliked by many for various reasons. A lot of it from lack of understanding of China and the Chinese people. And at least some of it from legitimate failings of the PRC govt. You may be surprised to know that most Chinese people have never eaten dog meat or cat meat or care to do so and certainly dont condone the extremely cruel and senseless monkey brain feast.
We dont like China here in the USA because they are "Communist" but we have most of the things we use made there. And most of it is pretty good stuff. Some bad business people have made non ethical decisions that have harmed many. The govt person deemed responsible for overseeing the problems that led to the pet food scare in the USA was executed by China it should be noted. I am not saying that this was a just decision. A large number of pets died but that doesnt quite equate to taking a human life in my mind. Yes there are unethical people in China, there are evil people bent on no good. Just like in any other country.
China gives an olympic party , spends a reported 40 BILLION US dollars to do so. Puts out a truly remarkable Opening Ceremony costing hundreds of millions of dollars. However, they have so far made a few seemingly small mistakes but that has hurt them . Some fireworks were simulated for TV. ONe girl sings and the other performs. To the Chinese mindset, thats probably ok as they are all a TEAM> But to highly individualistic western minds its completely unacceptable and puts into question the entire morality and ethics of a whole race of people. But many Chinese themselves are not pleased as well. They are now clamoring that the girl who sang should make an appearance at the Closing Ceremony.
Its unfortunate that these mistakes were made. FAke fireworks are a no no, even if they accounted for a very small part of the fireworks show which was basically 99pct real. A girl who appears to be singing should indeed be singing or at least it should be her voice. The Communist PRC govt has a one track mind and uses a movie director to put on a great show. A great show he did put on, but a bit of ethics were mindlessly put aside. There was no malice intended. And we should be grateful when these minor issues are the only ones encountered when the games end.
But lets give China credit for the great job it is doing how about? The facilities are first rate, the opening was first rate. A lot of people in China as well as a lot of foreign consultants did a great job.
Lets enjoy these games. And not let controversy spoil the whole show.
The little Chinese girl gymnasts may or may not be 16 this year but they sure did win that gold by being the best team there. IF they were not 16 and proven to be not, then let China be spanked for it. But that didnt detract from the fact that these girls deserve that Gold. They did it, the hard way. The American team were great too, but they did make a few mistakes and did not deserve Gold. The earned that Silver, but Silver it should be and it was.
These olympics games dont have to be perfect but most people seem to be having a great time. IN fact I cant wait for it to end because there is a real danger of possible serious incidents occuring as China has its radicals too.
Im enjoying these games daily and I hope you all are too. LEts look forward to some great sports and take some controversy as they come. I for one am wondering what kind of Closing Ceremony it will be. No doubt it will be pretty good.
Lets engage China in sports (especially when they are paying for it) . Its a whole lot better then engaging them in conflict.
A country that has always preferred to look inward rather then outwards. A country closed off to outsiders for millenia. A country disliked by many for various reasons. A lot of it from lack of understanding of China and the Chinese people. And at least some of it from legitimate failings of the PRC govt. You may be surprised to know that most Chinese people have never eaten dog meat or cat meat or care to do so and certainly dont condone the extremely cruel and senseless monkey brain feast.
We dont like China here in the USA because they are "Communist" but we have most of the things we use made there. And most of it is pretty good stuff. Some bad business people have made non ethical decisions that have harmed many. The govt person deemed responsible for overseeing the problems that led to the pet food scare in the USA was executed by China it should be noted. I am not saying that this was a just decision. A large number of pets died but that doesnt quite equate to taking a human life in my mind. Yes there are unethical people in China, there are evil people bent on no good. Just like in any other country.
China gives an olympic party , spends a reported 40 BILLION US dollars to do so. Puts out a truly remarkable Opening Ceremony costing hundreds of millions of dollars. However, they have so far made a few seemingly small mistakes but that has hurt them . Some fireworks were simulated for TV. ONe girl sings and the other performs. To the Chinese mindset, thats probably ok as they are all a TEAM> But to highly individualistic western minds its completely unacceptable and puts into question the entire morality and ethics of a whole race of people. But many Chinese themselves are not pleased as well. They are now clamoring that the girl who sang should make an appearance at the Closing Ceremony.
Its unfortunate that these mistakes were made. FAke fireworks are a no no, even if they accounted for a very small part of the fireworks show which was basically 99pct real. A girl who appears to be singing should indeed be singing or at least it should be her voice. The Communist PRC govt has a one track mind and uses a movie director to put on a great show. A great show he did put on, but a bit of ethics were mindlessly put aside. There was no malice intended. And we should be grateful when these minor issues are the only ones encountered when the games end.
But lets give China credit for the great job it is doing how about? The facilities are first rate, the opening was first rate. A lot of people in China as well as a lot of foreign consultants did a great job.
Lets enjoy these games. And not let controversy spoil the whole show.
The little Chinese girl gymnasts may or may not be 16 this year but they sure did win that gold by being the best team there. IF they were not 16 and proven to be not, then let China be spanked for it. But that didnt detract from the fact that these girls deserve that Gold. They did it, the hard way. The American team were great too, but they did make a few mistakes and did not deserve Gold. The earned that Silver, but Silver it should be and it was.
These olympics games dont have to be perfect but most people seem to be having a great time. IN fact I cant wait for it to end because there is a real danger of possible serious incidents occuring as China has its radicals too.
Im enjoying these games daily and I hope you all are too. LEts look forward to some great sports and take some controversy as they come. I for one am wondering what kind of Closing Ceremony it will be. No doubt it will be pretty good.
Lets engage China in sports (especially when they are paying for it) . Its a whole lot better then engaging them in conflict.
Those who expect instant democracy in a country the size of China are being naive.
The USSR became "democratic" and how many have died in all the wars and disputes.
Yugoslavia became independant democratic states and how many have been murdered or killed.
China is moving slowly, but remarkably steadily, towards a more democratic state without the breaking up into hundreds of individual warring states we have seen elsewhere.
The last USA election was hardly democratic and the ignoring of human rights by the government there is not an example to follow.
The USSR became "democratic" and how many have died in all the wars and disputes.
Yugoslavia became independant democratic states and how many have been murdered or killed.
China is moving slowly, but remarkably steadily, towards a more democratic state without the breaking up into hundreds of individual warring states we have seen elsewhere.
The last USA election was hardly democratic and the ignoring of human rights by the government there is not an example to follow.
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good thing the olympics where not held in the US this year as we would have had a field day on political issues unrelated to what this thread started out as......a compliment to what is evolving as a F***ing good olympic games!
wax lyrical about monkeys brains and human rights, but for these two weeks i am just following the sport...and it is pretty fine so far!
wax lyrical about monkeys brains and human rights, but for these two weeks i am just following the sport...and it is pretty fine so far!
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Oh man you guys are sensitive. Although I strongly disprove of all animal abuse I did not intend to judge all of China bu posting the poor monkey.
Fact is there are people who harm others/animals/environment everywhere.
What the games are doing is HUGELY more positive for China than negative. There is a massive educational effect that comes with hosting something like the Olympics. It raises awareness among the people of issues around freedom, the environment, your culture, morals, ethics etc etc.
This can only be good and help the Chinese people to become more sophisticated, educated and informed.
And rooting out ignorance is what the world ( and China ) needs to make it a better place.
Now to gove the next Olympict to Africa so they can also start to sort themselves out......
Fact is there are people who harm others/animals/environment everywhere.
What the games are doing is HUGELY more positive for China than negative. There is a massive educational effect that comes with hosting something like the Olympics. It raises awareness among the people of issues around freedom, the environment, your culture, morals, ethics etc etc.
This can only be good and help the Chinese people to become more sophisticated, educated and informed.
And rooting out ignorance is what the world ( and China ) needs to make it a better place.
Now to gove the next Olympict to Africa so they can also start to sort themselves out......
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The use of the word jealous at the beginning of your post is most appropriate because therein lies the problem. The "sideways walkers" who have clearly identified themselves here know that word well. They were reared on it. Perhaps part of the sense you wrote may sink in but I doubt it. Fortunately it seems there is a lot of reasonable people frequenting these boards which is good to see.
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P.S. There is a single Chinese word for "sideways walker". The word is bahu and it translates literally as: a person with set ideas, someone who gets in the way and is always causing log jams, a churlish person, a person to be avoided. Much like........ here.
The use of the word jealous at the beginning of your post is most appropriate because therein lies the problem. The "sideways walkers" who have clearly identified themselves here know that word well. They were reared on it. Perhaps part of the sense you wrote may sink in but I doubt it. Fortunately it seems there is a lot of reasonable people frequenting these boards which is good to see.
828a
P.S. There is a single Chinese word for "sideways walker". The word is bahu and it translates literally as: a person with set ideas, someone who gets in the way and is always causing log jams, a churlish person, a person to be avoided. Much like........ here.
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China is nothing but a giant prison with a billion inmates. It may 'look' like a vibrant, functioning country, but in reality it is a brutal dictatorship which brooks no dissent. Until the Chinese people are free to select their own leaders, worship any god they wish and travel without restrictions, China is, and will remain a shameful stain on the worlds desire for freedom and liberty.
I think same situation is happening both in EU and US those countries who always defined themselves as FREEDOM AND LIBERTY. I am not here today to complain about the system, in contrast, I do admit it kind of "safety purpose". But Western Countries, Please stop criticizing about HUMAN RIGHTS in China in this way like MR APPLE TREE YARD. You can and welcome to criticize any of unfairness there in China, but it is happening everywhere today on the world. We are all sitting on the same boat. Conflicts are there. THats what One World One Dream really mean to. "Anyone can Cook", forget about the racists.