ATC has the Jimmy Brits
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Uncle and Sue,
Your views are very lopsided, this is why:
1. I worked for different employers before coming here, CAD is not brilliant but no worse than others in supply for staff. My last employer hired too many than VR too many in the 90s and end up with too little again. Coming up with the right numbers all the time is a lot harder than you think. I am sorry for you if you think this is so simple. Wait 6 months and you will hear what the FAA will do to fix their post PATCO retirement problems.
2. If someone works on his day off to make sure I get a decent meal break when there are sickies, I am not going to write him off. Of course, you may have your personal hatred for him, for us on APP he certainly did more to contain the workload than the previous check controller and raised the standard of some very ordininary locals.
2.He is the only one from the office who knows what goes on but you are blaming him for that. He is still better than the big chief and many others who sits in their big offices and pretends to Noman that everything is OK. I know because I spoke to Noman when we had drinks last months he knew very little about the problems in the field and cares less.
3.I agree with you that there should not be any increase in movements before our conditions get better. I am not in your union but this is what can be done - get your assoication boss mate to run a survey amongst the members, drum up the support and the president can tell the press that their members will not work any more increases without the government paying up. Imagine how much bigger a bomb shell this one will be. Achieving results is not just about how much union fees you pay.
This is where you should direct your energy into whether than waste this forum for your personal feuds, stop behaving like teenagers.
Your views are very lopsided, this is why:
1. I worked for different employers before coming here, CAD is not brilliant but no worse than others in supply for staff. My last employer hired too many than VR too many in the 90s and end up with too little again. Coming up with the right numbers all the time is a lot harder than you think. I am sorry for you if you think this is so simple. Wait 6 months and you will hear what the FAA will do to fix their post PATCO retirement problems.
2. If someone works on his day off to make sure I get a decent meal break when there are sickies, I am not going to write him off. Of course, you may have your personal hatred for him, for us on APP he certainly did more to contain the workload than the previous check controller and raised the standard of some very ordininary locals.
2.He is the only one from the office who knows what goes on but you are blaming him for that. He is still better than the big chief and many others who sits in their big offices and pretends to Noman that everything is OK. I know because I spoke to Noman when we had drinks last months he knew very little about the problems in the field and cares less.
3.I agree with you that there should not be any increase in movements before our conditions get better. I am not in your union but this is what can be done - get your assoication boss mate to run a survey amongst the members, drum up the support and the president can tell the press that their members will not work any more increases without the government paying up. Imagine how much bigger a bomb shell this one will be. Achieving results is not just about how much union fees you pay.
This is where you should direct your energy into whether than waste this forum for your personal feuds, stop behaving like teenagers.
If they all leave just because of ridiculous management, there will be no one left for you to bark at!
shed a tear for the locals.
Like i said, showman will always be showman.
cheers
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I am not about to forgive or justify the results of what the 4th floor has created. The acute shortage of staff, the poorly managed training and the virtually non-existant leave program are only the start of a long list of real grievances that we all hold. However, if you are going to fire bullets, at least fire them for real reasons and not because of obvious personality clashes with individuals who have not been in a position to actually create your grievance.
Sounds to me Uncle4 that "Papa Bear has been gettin more Honey than Baba Bear" or are you one of those enigmatic self pleasuring people who unwittingly keep using thier personality as a contraceptive?
I can only suggest that strong and meaningful participation in your staff association will at least get your grievances an airing...but then again?
Sounds to me Uncle4 that "Papa Bear has been gettin more Honey than Baba Bear" or are you one of those enigmatic self pleasuring people who unwittingly keep using thier personality as a contraceptive?
I can only suggest that strong and meaningful participation in your staff association will at least get your grievances an airing...but then again?
I mention about this guy because he is not doing his job. Instead of running round pretending to be Mr Everything, he should do something about training. Staffing problems is not his problem .... C(Ops) problem.
I keep mention him cause some people say he had done alot, but that is not real ..... NOT REAL ....
ha ha ha, staff association .... we could they do? The president wants promotion, all other staff doing things their own time .... do they care?
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so many interest here, let me contribute.
Short of staff yet SAR course, oversea course ludicrous. We all work hard operationally while they are a step closer for promotion.
The president of our lovely association is no better than all the previous ones. Is he going to sacrifice his career for you? I've been here long enough. 20 plus years. He's just a puppet of the management. He just came back from his oversea course and no doubt he got a few days leave for sightseeing. what a coincidence mrs president got leave at the same time While we work hard.
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don't tell me to grow up. i'm almost pass my sell by date LIKE YOU!
Short of staff yet SAR course, oversea course
ludicrous. We all work hard operationally while they are a step closer for promotion.The president of our lovely association is no better than all the previous ones. Is he going to sacrifice his career for you? I've been here long enough. 20 plus years.
He's just a puppet of the management. He just came back from his oversea course and no doubt he got a few days leave for sightseeing. what a coincidence mrs president got leave at the same time While we work hard.App
don't tell me to grow up. i'm almost pass my sell by date LIKE YOU!
Totally agee!!!No increase in movements until the isssues are sorted out ...
Airport Authority staff got a payrise plus bonuses for their 'hardwork' - what did we get?
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Zi2,
Perhaps you have a point there.If they had offered a Radar Course,as I requested on more than one occasion, then I might have stayed a little longer.To release people from the TWR you have to plug the spaces there.Then the locals training onto radar gets further delayed.Sounds like there is an overall shortage so perhaps CAD should be approaching the Civil Service now.
Gweilos got paid for their years experience.You have to serve your time.
Perhaps you have a point there.If they had offered a Radar Course,as I requested on more than one occasion, then I might have stayed a little longer.To release people from the TWR you have to plug the spaces there.Then the locals training onto radar gets further delayed.Sounds like there is an overall shortage so perhaps CAD should be approaching the Civil Service now.
Gweilos got paid for their years experience.You have to serve your time.
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All about jealousy
so many interest here, let me contribute.
Short of staff yet SAR course, oversea course ludicrous. We all work hard operationally while they are a step closer for promotion.
The president of our lovely association is no better than all the previous ones. Is he going to sacrifice his career for you? I've been here long enough. 20 plus years. He's just a puppet of the management. He just came back from his oversea course and no doubt he got a few days leave for sightseeing. what a coincidence mrs president got leave at the same time While we work hard.
App
don't tell me to grow up. i'm almost pass my sell by date LIKE YOU!
Short of staff yet SAR course, oversea course
ludicrous. We all work hard operationally while they are a step closer for promotion.The president of our lovely association is no better than all the previous ones. Is he going to sacrifice his career for you? I've been here long enough. 20 plus years.
He's just a puppet of the management. He just came back from his oversea course and no doubt he got a few days leave for sightseeing. what a coincidence mrs president got leave at the same time While we work hard.App
don't tell me to grow up. i'm almost pass my sell by date LIKE YOU!
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C(ops)=c(te)??
.All those Chiefs should work together to solve the staffing problem; we should not leave this single problem to only one Chief. Staffing problems are also his problem, don't forget he takes care of training; where do we get staff - from training. I believe repeat, I believe he will try his very best to work out some solutions to help out the not-so-ideal situation we have here. C(OPS) already voiced out that the staffing situation will improve early next year. Can't you be patient a bit for a few more months? You have somewhat 20+ years to go, but you always complain acrimoniously, if this behaviour perseveres, I am afraid your heart cannot endure very long
. Beside, thanks for reporting how many sickies each day
, I wonder if you can do a better job as a reporter rather than an ATCO, TVx is hiring staff you should consider! If assistance required, come to my office I write you a recommendation letter . Uncle, I think you have exaggerated the sickie situation here. People will get sick because of mountains of reason; may I draw your attention to our Bible - Manual of ATC Part 10 Chapter 2 Medical Fitness. We have two hundred plus staff here, it is not surprised to have staff reporting sickness. Uncle, did you ever report sick? What was your reason of reporting sick? Don't tell me it is because you don't like the people here (then you shouldn't be here). I can only say about these sickies that some people are more prone to sick than others; some people follow AIRAC (28-day) although a few of them tend to be shorter than that.Trouble-makers are ubiquitous; we had vandalism at 4th Floor recently, it is not worth to sin; I hope you are not this psycho
.I am a Chinese and I am a controller. I am speaking for neither 3rd Floor + 4th Floor nor 6th Floor + roof people but my Bewußtsein. Welcome to debate with me, you never win over justification. My f
g door is always open 
.Is there counseling officer in CAD?
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It is kind of funny to watch the feud going on between Uncle 4 and our Big Brother 4. I agreed that the management is totally responsible for the staffing situation we are facing today but going personal on individual is just pathetic.
Like many others, I am working 4 days followed by a single day break because of the shortage of staff but I am definately not complaining about it. It represents a great opportunity for me to accumulate more hours so that I can retire a bit earlier.
I think Uncle 4 should take the advice of Borther 4 in seriously thinking of looking for greener pasture. All these dissatisfaction with the department won't be doing any good to your health. And may I remind you that the rule of law is unheard of in CAD so you don't have the slightest chance of surviving a radar course let alone getting into one because of what you have said so far.
As for the management, why bother to start more training courses as we will eventually be taken over by our next door neighbour anyway.
Like many others, I am working 4 days followed by a single day break because of the shortage of staff but I am definately not complaining about it. It represents a great opportunity for me to accumulate more hours so that I can retire a bit earlier.
I think Uncle 4 should take the advice of Borther 4 in seriously thinking of looking for greener pasture. All these dissatisfaction with the department won't be doing any good to your health. And may I remind you that the rule of law is unheard of in CAD so you don't have the slightest chance of surviving a radar course let alone getting into one because of what you have said so far.
As for the management, why bother to start more training courses as we will eventually be taken over by our next door neighbour anyway.
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WongMo
It is kind of funny to watch the feud going on between Uncle 4 and our Big Brother 4. I agreed that the management is totally responsible for the staffing situation we are facing today but going personal on individual is just pathetic.
Like many others, I am working 4 days followed by a single day break because of the shortage of staff but I am definately not complaining about it. It represents a great opportunity for me to accumulate more hours so that I can retire a bit earlier.
I think Uncle 4 should take the advice of Borther 4 in seriously thinking of looking for greener pasture. All these dissatisfaction with the department won't be doing any good to your health. And may I remind you that the rule of law is unheard of in CAD so you don't have the slightest chance of surviving a radar course let alone getting into one because of what you have said so far.
As for the management, why bother to start more training courses as we will eventually be taken over by our next door neighbour anyway.
Like many others, I am working 4 days followed by a single day break because of the shortage of staff but I am definately not complaining about it. It represents a great opportunity for me to accumulate more hours so that I can retire a bit earlier.
I think Uncle 4 should take the advice of Borther 4 in seriously thinking of looking for greener pasture. All these dissatisfaction with the department won't be doing any good to your health. And may I remind you that the rule of law is unheard of in CAD so you don't have the slightest chance of surviving a radar course let alone getting into one because of what you have said so far.
As for the management, why bother to start more training courses as we will eventually be taken over by our next door neighbour anyway.
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You may well find yourself getting early retirement sooner than you think - and a lot poorer.
Have a word with poor Gradimir Tasic (formerly Zagreb ATC, in case you're too young to recall), if you need further convincing.
http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-bea476.shtml
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What did you get?
You get Annual Increment (for some people), Salary Assurance, Contract (for some people), Job Satisfaction AND ...EG.
(NOT MORE THAN ONE HOUR
)-COALMAN
Enjoy you day, darling!
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Hey By Stander,
I hope that they take your Toil into consideration when you leave,but it didn't make a blind bit of difference to me.I could have been positive or negative.All that happened is I was told to hand in my pass,and escorted from the ATCX by a very junior member of staff,like some criminal.No thanks from 4th floor or anything.Just F off and don't come back!
As I keep ranting CAD forgot a VERY important aspect of the genuine copy of UK legal hours.Minimum time off.4 on ,1 off or 5 on 1 off is completely illegal here.So are you guys immune to fatigue or something.Or is a macho HK thing.
I hope that they take your Toil into consideration when you leave,but it didn't make a blind bit of difference to me.I could have been positive or negative.All that happened is I was told to hand in my pass,and escorted from the ATCX by a very junior member of staff,like some criminal.No thanks from 4th floor or anything.Just F
off and don't come back!As I keep ranting CAD forgot a VERY important aspect of the genuine copy of UK legal hours.Minimum time off.4 on ,1 off or 5 on 1 off is completely illegal here.So are you guys immune to fatigue or something.Or is a macho HK thing.
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EG?
We have EG because we work hard
... Why do you go home early then ...? You should not accept an EG and stay in the reading room instead.
Job satisfaction??? Yes, but not when the workload is high!!!
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I love this place
Am I being snubbed? I don’t know what you meant exactly? Honestly, I don’t care.
Life is not always a box of chocolate especially this part of the world. Some are luckier than others and some are not. But I still believe if we keep up the good work, we will get our share finally. People like to work in a place of good reputation, if you don’t like this Department, try this, work at your best to provide a good service to the pilot; this will further improve the image of Department.
How nice this career can give one great job satisfaction together with high pay!
Life is not always a box of chocolate especially this part of the world. Some are luckier than others and some are not. But I still believe if we keep up the good work, we will get our share finally. People like to work in a place of good reputation, if you don’t like this Department, try this, work at your best to provide a good service to the pilot; this will further improve the image of Department.
How nice this career can give one great job satisfaction together with high pay!
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We need a clubhouse
um.........no
.........assurance that the government can cut my salary further at any time
........no guarantee
........getting less and less each day
NO!
You too sweety.
Salary Assurance
Contract
Job Satisfaction
AND ...
EG.
EG.
Enjoy you day, darling!
You too sweety.
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The Management
Job Satisfaction.....try to w
an k off while giving off takeoff/landing clearance, you might have some surprise! E.G.....Poor guy who left 1.5 hours earlier the other day being caught by the coal man.
The deduction of half an hour TOIL was a poor managerial skill, that controller should be deducted 1.5 hours TOIL instead. Although the coal man briefed the twr soap his one-hour eg rule, everything was back to the square one the next day.Third floor, fourth floor and sixth floor.....are same same - things of the same kind!
Anyway, I like the management here cos' it gives me lots of fun in this forum these days. Imagine that everyday we push, clear, taxi, doing the same job, we do need some entertainment!
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This is what can you get