Peanuts to a peanut?
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as far as the AOA involvement is concerned in this issue, my feeling is this. If your a member then the AOA should go to bat for you. However If you have been dismissed from the union for whatever reason then the AOA shouldn't even acknowledge your situation. It may very well make those who think that they can live without the AOA think again. It will re-enforce the unions position and get more people on side. I feel sorry for the individual concerned, but he was not a union member and therefore does not deserve the AOA's help
It may serve as a lesson to everyone how important it is right now to be an active part of the union
It may serve as a lesson to everyone how important it is right now to be an active part of the union
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Ilasa apso,
I think your comment is very narrow minded!
As a union member I agree with his AOA suspension, as a fellow pilot & employee of CX I deplore the heavy handed treatment given to him by management. His AOA membership is not the issue!!!,c'mon give the guy a break, are we going to sit back and pretend this did'nt happen ? Is it OK for the bottler to get away with it and not this guy.
Ive got to stop, im getting p!ssed off!
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I think your comment is very narrow minded!
As a union member I agree with his AOA suspension, as a fellow pilot & employee of CX I deplore the heavy handed treatment given to him by management. His AOA membership is not the issue!!!,c'mon give the guy a break, are we going to sit back and pretend this did'nt happen ? Is it OK for the bottler to get away with it and not this guy.
Ive got to stop, im getting p!ssed off!
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Now that it is out in the open so to speak I think the Captain involved should now take this very personally and sue the ass off the individual who instigated the proceedings as a personal law suit, as well as one against the company.
The AOA should assist the individual as the punishment far outweighs the crime. A GOOD and WISE leader would have had a sense of humour. If the peanuts had landed close to him as described or if it was more "deliberate" a private "bo***cking" and a loss of seniority. A message could then have been sent to the AOA and all crew that the line is getting close to being crossed.
We would then have "some" respect for our CEO. All we have now is greater contempt for a very sad individual - he is becoming a real PARIAH. Lets hope it is a Pyrrhic victory and the board of Swires finally wake up and remove this cancer from our midst, "a controversy too far" from a controversial figure.
The AOA should assist the individual as the punishment far outweighs the crime. A GOOD and WISE leader would have had a sense of humour. If the peanuts had landed close to him as described or if it was more "deliberate" a private "bo***cking" and a loss of seniority. A message could then have been sent to the AOA and all crew that the line is getting close to being crossed.
We would then have "some" respect for our CEO. All we have now is greater contempt for a very sad individual - he is becoming a real PARIAH. Lets hope it is a Pyrrhic victory and the board of Swires finally wake up and remove this cancer from our midst, "a controversy too far" from a controversial figure.
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Hustler,& Flap 5
I never intended to convey that what had occurred was acceptable nor do I consider it to be acceptable behavior from a CEO of a company. The point that I was trying to get across was that the individual concerned had been removed from the union for a transgression and therefore it would be very difficult for the union to become involved, nor do I feel that they should do so. For the union to confront the company over this issue when the person concerned is not even a member dilutes the AOA's position with the company.
I agree with you that something needs to be done , but it must be something outside the parameters of the AOA, in other words organised by the crews themselves.
The whole handling of this affair is disgusting, so if you have any suggestions I'm prepared to listen, but I feel very strongly that the AOA should remain impartial in this issue which was the original intent of my first post.
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I never intended to convey that what had occurred was acceptable nor do I consider it to be acceptable behavior from a CEO of a company. The point that I was trying to get across was that the individual concerned had been removed from the union for a transgression and therefore it would be very difficult for the union to become involved, nor do I feel that they should do so. For the union to confront the company over this issue when the person concerned is not even a member dilutes the AOA's position with the company.
I agree with you that something needs to be done , but it must be something outside the parameters of the AOA, in other words organised by the crews themselves.
The whole handling of this affair is disgusting, so if you have any suggestions I'm prepared to listen, but I feel very strongly that the AOA should remain impartial in this issue which was the original intent of my first post.
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The AOA cannot and should not, get involved in this one. For a start the Committee does not have the resources to waste on a non member. And, as has been stated, AOA involvement would dilute the reasons for membership if it means you don't really have to be a member to be represented.
However, that is not to say that this punishment should go without reaction from the pilot body. Any ideas?
How about an extra hour's fuel per sector? Anything that costs turdball money would surely be effective?
The ultimate irony in this whole business is that "they" have sacked one of "their own". After all, wasn't he suspended from the union for helping them out on G days?
However, that is not to say that this punishment should go without reaction from the pilot body. Any ideas?
How about an extra hour's fuel per sector? Anything that costs turdball money would surely be effective?
The ultimate irony in this whole business is that "they" have sacked one of "their own". After all, wasn't he suspended from the union for helping them out on G days?
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When I first read about this in the SCMP I thought...what a waste of peanuts.
Surely there is something less valuable sitting around which could have been used instead on this Turdbull.
Sweet FA...eating peanuts at the Dakota has a whole new meaning
Surely there is something less valuable sitting around which could have been used instead on this Turdbull.
Sweet FA...eating peanuts at the Dakota has a whole new meaning
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Confucious say:
"He who shares a bar with CEO is likely to get his nuts kicked"
If Capt M can get the sack for this, what makes any of you think we are any less succeptible to this reactive and highly emotional counter measure?
-Weigh up a few peanuts and 20 years
-loyalty. Demotion or suspension as opposed to the sack.
-Location of the incident being a place where alcohol is served and obviously consumed in this instance.
I'm not a peanut thrower but this incident doesn't make me feel secure in CX where you can be terminated so easily and with a blatant lack of support.
Woof Woof Woof
"He who shares a bar with CEO is likely to get his nuts kicked"
If Capt M can get the sack for this, what makes any of you think we are any less succeptible to this reactive and highly emotional counter measure?
-Weigh up a few peanuts and 20 years
-loyalty. Demotion or suspension as opposed to the sack.
-Location of the incident being a place where alcohol is served and obviously consumed in this instance.
I'm not a peanut thrower but this incident doesn't make me feel secure in CX where you can be terminated so easily and with a blatant lack of support.
Woof Woof Woof
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Strange but true!
A well known CEO of a large,successful airline with some of the most motivated staff in the world wrote a book a while back.
Yes, you guessed it,the book is called "NUTS".
checkout this :-
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Gulf/7624/
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A well known CEO of a large,successful airline with some of the most motivated staff in the world wrote a book a while back.
Yes, you guessed it,the book is called "NUTS".
checkout this :-
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Gulf/7624/
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Herb, (is that Kelleher? - sorry about the spelling),
You posted this on Rumours but not here?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...00/1271579.stm
It's another example of how this thing has snowballed out of control through the stupidity and weaknesses of our so-called leaders here in CX.
I guess since they didn't sack the "Swire Bottler" or "Swire Knifer" they won't get rid of the "Swire Nutter" either? Pity, he's an embarrassment to CX and to Swire.
You posted this on Rumours but not here?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...00/1271579.stm
It's another example of how this thing has snowballed out of control through the stupidity and weaknesses of our so-called leaders here in CX.
I guess since they didn't sack the "Swire Bottler" or "Swire Knifer" they won't get rid of the "Swire Nutter" either? Pity, he's an embarrassment to CX and to Swire.
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Herb Kellerher is retiring shortly.
I suggest that Swire hire him to coach Turnbull in the finer art of management.
Can you imagine the effect such coaching would have on Cathay and its performance. It is already regarded by passengers as one of the best airlines in the world.
If Herb Kellerher could get the management and operating staff to work together in harmony it could create a fantastic happy and even more profitable organisation.
Certainly Turnbull should read the book NUTS by Kevin and Jackie Frieberg. He would just learn a thing or two about developing a positive culture in the organisation.
The whole episode is one which the Swire group will regret as it really shows them as being a petulant, imature organisation, to the whole world.
Good luck to you all at Cathay
I suggest that Swire hire him to coach Turnbull in the finer art of management.
Can you imagine the effect such coaching would have on Cathay and its performance. It is already regarded by passengers as one of the best airlines in the world.
If Herb Kellerher could get the management and operating staff to work together in harmony it could create a fantastic happy and even more profitable organisation.
Certainly Turnbull should read the book NUTS by Kevin and Jackie Frieberg. He would just learn a thing or two about developing a positive culture in the organisation.
The whole episode is one which the Swire group will regret as it really shows them as being a petulant, imature organisation, to the whole world.
Good luck to you all at Cathay
