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Unfazed,
I have already apologised for touching a nerve - I trust you may recipricate after launching another verbal assault without CHECKING the facts (see my quote below)
My understanding is that to get paid (yes I do need some money to live on) I require to complete the ATPL and at least CPL.
My comments are certainly NOT as attack on CPL holders - let alone an attack on any individual. I am simply stating the obvious - many PPLs' get demotivated and disillusioned by instructors (yes the minority) who persistantly moan about there own position, underpaid, etc......
I personnaly respect those who have went to the trouble (and expense) of getting their license - but it does not mean I need continue to respect those who appear to be protecting their own interest (getting paid for flying) to the detrement of others (don't want PPL instructors) while moaning about their own position (there choice to work).
My last real job paid £60k per year, lots of unsociable hours, but no real hassle. Simply, I didn't enjoy it. My choice to spend my time and money to get a job I want to do (maybe not the best money but my choice). The reverse of this is true - if money is the motivator them maybe a change of career is required.
I do not see the rates going much higher for PPL instruction (certainly not while the attitudes of schools, instructors, remain the same). The tempation to go to Spain or elsewhere is increasingly attractive - something radical has to change in the UK to change that. I think PPL instructors could be the answer. The apparent 'lack of CPL instructors' would be addressed and the CPL senior instructor could get paid a better salary with the responsibility of looking after junior 'PPL Instructors'.
I think the above would be great for everyone but the 'divide' between the commercial and non-commercial guys must be bridged first-
THIS IS THE REASON FOR MY POINTS
I again apologise for upsetting you UNFAZED!
I have already apologised for touching a nerve - I trust you may recipricate after launching another verbal assault without CHECKING the facts (see my quote below)
Having recently completed my PPL. I am no 'natural pilot' and accept the fact I will be spending £10.000's to get where I want to be
My comments are certainly NOT as attack on CPL holders - let alone an attack on any individual. I am simply stating the obvious - many PPLs' get demotivated and disillusioned by instructors (yes the minority) who persistantly moan about there own position, underpaid, etc......
I personnaly respect those who have went to the trouble (and expense) of getting their license - but it does not mean I need continue to respect those who appear to be protecting their own interest (getting paid for flying) to the detrement of others (don't want PPL instructors) while moaning about their own position (there choice to work).
My last real job paid £60k per year, lots of unsociable hours, but no real hassle. Simply, I didn't enjoy it. My choice to spend my time and money to get a job I want to do (maybe not the best money but my choice). The reverse of this is true - if money is the motivator them maybe a change of career is required.
I do not see the rates going much higher for PPL instruction (certainly not while the attitudes of schools, instructors, remain the same). The tempation to go to Spain or elsewhere is increasingly attractive - something radical has to change in the UK to change that. I think PPL instructors could be the answer. The apparent 'lack of CPL instructors' would be addressed and the CPL senior instructor could get paid a better salary with the responsibility of looking after junior 'PPL Instructors'.
I think the above would be great for everyone but the 'divide' between the commercial and non-commercial guys must be bridged first-
THIS IS THE REASON FOR MY POINTS
I again apologise for upsetting you UNFAZED!
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It is also worth noting that the 'pitance' you get (in many cases over £20 per hour) is someone elses hard earned cash - probably harder earned than the instructors role.
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advocate, whilst I don't want to get dragged into your p***ing match, I will get stuck in when it comes to your comment "It is also worth noting that the 'pitance' you get (in many cases over £20 per hour) is someone else's hard earned cash - probably harder earned than the instructors role."
What a load of rubbish. Either you have no concept of what the job really entails, or you think the rest of the planet work like pit ponies.
An FI who does the job properly, works bl**dy hard. Certainly far harder than any airline pilot.
I suggest that you don't go into instruction, because from the tone and comments in your posts, you don't seem have love for the job or respect the people you would end up calling colleagues. These are two prerequisites in my eyes.
Stick to your £60k a year job and just hire when you want to fly. Your comments have naivety written all over them. An FI does a difficult and poorly rewarded job, who are you to say that those who do it and are cheeky enough to get paid are any less worthy than those who cannot get paid?
It is comments like your's that create the "bridge" between paid and unpaid. I have no issue with either side, but I make the choice that everyone in my place gets paid as well as possible with NO unpaid FI's.
Your limited experience IMNVHO don't qualify you to come on here and slag off the people who have got you where you are so far.
The old phrase "walk a mile in someone else's shoes" comes to mind.
What a load of rubbish. Either you have no concept of what the job really entails, or you think the rest of the planet work like pit ponies.
An FI who does the job properly, works bl**dy hard. Certainly far harder than any airline pilot.
I suggest that you don't go into instruction, because from the tone and comments in your posts, you don't seem have love for the job or respect the people you would end up calling colleagues. These are two prerequisites in my eyes.
Stick to your £60k a year job and just hire when you want to fly. Your comments have naivety written all over them. An FI does a difficult and poorly rewarded job, who are you to say that those who do it and are cheeky enough to get paid are any less worthy than those who cannot get paid?
It is comments like your's that create the "bridge" between paid and unpaid. I have no issue with either side, but I make the choice that everyone in my place gets paid as well as possible with NO unpaid FI's.
Your limited experience IMNVHO don't qualify you to come on here and slag off the people who have got you where you are so far.
The old phrase "walk a mile in someone else's shoes" comes to mind.
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SAS,
I agree with your comments except:
I think that is a little unfair. the two roles are so far reached from each other that I think to judge one against the other is wrong.
as ar as the original post goes:
The earlier comments to make the FI course longer and give a dispensation to CPL holders- why not get PPL holders to do a pre FI course ground school course (and exams) and call it a .....CPL groundschool course!!
TAA DAA!
I agree with your comments except:
An FI who does the job properly, works bl**dy hard. Certainly far harder than any airline pilot.
as ar as the original post goes:
The earlier comments to make the FI course longer and give a dispensation to CPL holders- why not get PPL holders to do a pre FI course ground school course (and exams) and call it a .....CPL groundschool course!!
TAA DAA!
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As an airline pilot and FI, I have always had to work much harder as an FI than in any airliner. Hand flying decrepit old turboprops included, let alone "systems managment" in something a bit more modern!
Nope, an FI does work hard if they care, especially as the actual teaching is often only one of the many tasks they have to complete.
Some students are a joy and with them, the job becomes easy, but with others...... Let's just say you start to understand why some species of animal eat their own young!
Nope, an FI does work hard if they care, especially as the actual teaching is often only one of the many tasks they have to complete.
Some students are a joy and with them, the job becomes easy, but with others...... Let's just say you start to understand why some species of animal eat their own young!
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The earlier comments to make the FI course longer and give a dispensation to CPL holders- why not get PPL holders to do a pre FI course ground school course (and exams) and call it a .....CPL groundschool course!!
I don't know why I bite at such comments? Perhaps it's the fact that I've been flying virtually as long as you've been alive? Maybe because having built two aeroplanes and been taught by PPL instructors who have probably forgotten more about aviation than you'll ever know (unless you remove the blinkers) ... has created a certain chip on my shoulder when it comes to the dismissive views of CPL's like yourself toward PPL's who obviously no so little!
Despite what you might think, I have a tremendous respect for CPL's and have several who are good friends. I have considered doing the CPL myself, but to be honest, why would I or anyone not wishing to change career want to spend out thousands to gain a licence they will never fully use? Indeed most of my CPL friends would consider me clinically insane for parting with all that cash knowing my situation. However, just because someone has no desire to become a professional doesn't mean that they have nothing to offer in terms of expertise or experience. I'm sure the NPPL (or EU version if it happens) will address the disparity between aircraft groups (and countries) and come up with a more sensible way to allow PPL's to instruct. In the meantime GA will continue to loose out to microlighting or even non aviation pursuits as ever increasing costs will drive all but those with professional aspirations away from group A flying.
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I have considered doing the CPL myself, but to be honest, why would I or anyone not wishing to change career want to spend out thousands to gain a licence they will never fully use? Indeed most of my CPL friends would consider me clinically insane for parting with all that cash knowing my situation. However, just because someone has no desire to become a professional doesn't mean that they have nothing to offer in terms of expertise or experience.
How about because you love the "work", have a strong desire to teach others, are determined to learn as much as you can about aviation, wish to develop your own knowledge and skills and have a very positive attitude that you can succeed ?
If you wish to motivate others you need to know how to achieve goals and motivate yourself first.
How about because you love the "work", have a strong desire to teach others, are determined to learn as much as you can about aviation, wish to develop your own knowledge and skills and have a very positive attitude that you can succeed ?
If you wish to motivate others you need to know how to achieve goals and motivate yourself first.
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ShortStrippers comments illustrate why the current situation is ridiculous. There are many PPL holders who would make fantastic FI's, there are also many who would be bl**dy awful, but shouldn't we allow those with the skills, passion and experience teach the next generation of PPL?
Having a CPL doesn't make you a better pilot or instructor. You supposedly have more knowledge, but is it always relevant? I knew stuff all about PPL flying when I started instructing, having been a CAP509 student, I had never held a PPL, so what was I teaching?
Having a CPL is a good start and demonstrates a certain level of knowledge, but what we need in this business, is the ability to teach, no licence gives you that, whether it be a PPL, CPL or ATPL. If we had a better FI rating, we could get rid of all these arguments and just have a new breed of professional pilot. Instructors, not wanabee airline jockeys or enthusiastic amateurs.
As long as they can all get paid fairly, then there should be no issues. We are in a parlous state now and need radical action to help kick start some life back in.
Having a CPL doesn't make you a better pilot or instructor. You supposedly have more knowledge, but is it always relevant? I knew stuff all about PPL flying when I started instructing, having been a CAP509 student, I had never held a PPL, so what was I teaching?
Having a CPL is a good start and demonstrates a certain level of knowledge, but what we need in this business, is the ability to teach, no licence gives you that, whether it be a PPL, CPL or ATPL. If we had a better FI rating, we could get rid of all these arguments and just have a new breed of professional pilot. Instructors, not wanabee airline jockeys or enthusiastic amateurs.
As long as they can all get paid fairly, then there should be no issues. We are in a parlous state now and need radical action to help kick start some life back in.
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It's nothing to do with motivation Unfazed, it's more to do with lack of time and money.
It's very easy for somebody in their twenties, with no great ties or responsibilities to see everything from their point of view (not saying this is you, but bear with me). This developes a "well I did it despite some hardship ... why can't you?". Whilst that is true and fair in itself, it is a very short sighted and selfish way of looking at things. There are many out there who would dearly love to throw caution to the wind and borrow £25K (assuming they could) to gain a CPL/fATPL FIR. In my case (just for illustration) I'm married with five children, work as a farm manager (which is a notoriously poorly paid profession) work and live on the job (what's spare time?) and only manage to fly by reduceing the costs to a minimum. Yes I am very passionate about flying, but my passion tends to be for vintage, homebuilt and strip flying rather than IFR and airliners. I would love to instruct and impart some of my enthusiasm for this kind of aviation to others ... but it is just impossible at the moment as my first responsibility is to my family. Spending £5K and three weeks getting the FIR is one thing, but spending £10K + and 6 weeks or so before even that, is quite another. Yes, I'd love too, if I physically could ... but my next opportunity to have that much time and money will be in about 15-20 years time if I'm lucky! Mind you, getting time to teach in my case would be very limited right now anyway, that's why I've said my case is for illustration. The point is, there are many very experienced and passionate PPL's out there, and they don't need a CPL to prove that they are (that's just bloody arrogant). Many would and COULD teach if they didn't have to spend a fortune in time and money unneccasarily!
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It's very easy for somebody in their twenties, with no great ties or responsibilities to see everything from their point of view (not saying this is you, but bear with me). This developes a "well I did it despite some hardship ... why can't you?". Whilst that is true and fair in itself, it is a very short sighted and selfish way of looking at things. There are many out there who would dearly love to throw caution to the wind and borrow £25K (assuming they could) to gain a CPL/fATPL FIR. In my case (just for illustration) I'm married with five children, work as a farm manager (which is a notoriously poorly paid profession) work and live on the job (what's spare time?) and only manage to fly by reduceing the costs to a minimum. Yes I am very passionate about flying, but my passion tends to be for vintage, homebuilt and strip flying rather than IFR and airliners. I would love to instruct and impart some of my enthusiasm for this kind of aviation to others ... but it is just impossible at the moment as my first responsibility is to my family. Spending £5K and three weeks getting the FIR is one thing, but spending £10K + and 6 weeks or so before even that, is quite another. Yes, I'd love too, if I physically could ... but my next opportunity to have that much time and money will be in about 15-20 years time if I'm lucky! Mind you, getting time to teach in my case would be very limited right now anyway, that's why I've said my case is for illustration. The point is, there are many very experienced and passionate PPL's out there, and they don't need a CPL to prove that they are (that's just bloody arrogant). Many would and COULD teach if they didn't have to spend a fortune in time and money unneccasarily!
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Shortstripper,
Sorry if you misunderstood my last (Flippant) comments. I stand by my earlier comments it would be nice if the CAA came up with a stand alone course for PPLers wishing to instuct. But the expense of putting together a course for the few that wish to undergoe it may make it a non starter.
The CPL groundschool course does not cost thousands (£1995 distance learning). That is the requirement to be a PPL instructor (plus FI course). So I personally think that the hurdles are not that high.
I would have thought someone that has been flying as long as I have lived would have learned that age isn't always a tell tell sign of experience.
Sorry if you misunderstood my last (Flippant) comments. I stand by my earlier comments it would be nice if the CAA came up with a stand alone course for PPLers wishing to instuct. But the expense of putting together a course for the few that wish to undergoe it may make it a non starter.
The CPL groundschool course does not cost thousands (£1995 distance learning). That is the requirement to be a PPL instructor (plus FI course). So I personally think that the hurdles are not that high.
Isn't 27 a bit young to be a luddite Sam?
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Not sure I get your logic there Sam.
I don't get to choose when I fly as an FI either. I put my availability into a book and if someone books it, then if the conditions are OK, I go flying.
If an airline pays me to fly within the FTL scheme of the company and the conditions are good enough and the a/c is serviceable, then I go flying, but that's the same with any job. Instructing, air taxi or airline.
If you were a full-time FI, then you have to have a reason for not going up, not just because you don't feel like it. The same as if you are working for an airline.
Instructing and airline flying are different, but they aren't that far removed. People who are good at one, are often good at both.
Age isn't really relevant in this discussion as you're 27 and I'm a crusty old 28!
I don't get to choose when I fly as an FI either. I put my availability into a book and if someone books it, then if the conditions are OK, I go flying.
If an airline pays me to fly within the FTL scheme of the company and the conditions are good enough and the a/c is serviceable, then I go flying, but that's the same with any job. Instructing, air taxi or airline.
If you were a full-time FI, then you have to have a reason for not going up, not just because you don't feel like it. The same as if you are working for an airline.
Instructing and airline flying are different, but they aren't that far removed. People who are good at one, are often good at both.
Age isn't really relevant in this discussion as you're 27 and I'm a crusty old 28!
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SAS,
My comments were based on Wx.
Good instructors dont scare students silly in really crappy Wx. In the Airline pilot role we are not given the luxury of deciding to stay on the ground due to Wx. (within limits).
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My comments were based on Wx.
Good instructors dont scare students silly in really crappy Wx. In the Airline pilot role we are not given the luxury of deciding to stay on the ground due to Wx. (within limits).
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We still have the same go/no go authority, it's just that the weather limitations are different. Fundamentally we still have the same power to refuse a flight on any grounds, it's just that an airline pilot has to be really sure of the decision, but on the flip side they have more guidance in the Ops manual to help with the decision making process.
For instance, if the wind is greater than 40 or 50kts, alot of aircraft wouldn't be allowed to open or close their doors, so the decision is an easy one. No go. I have wx criteria in our flying order book. It is different for different levels of experience, but basically it gives a limit to what people are allowed to fly in. The same as an airline ops manual. The figures are just lower.
For instance, if the wind is greater than 40 or 50kts, alot of aircraft wouldn't be allowed to open or close their doors, so the decision is an easy one. No go. I have wx criteria in our flying order book. It is different for different levels of experience, but basically it gives a limit to what people are allowed to fly in. The same as an airline ops manual. The figures are just lower.
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Sam,
I'd forgotten about your previous post with a suggestion of a way forward, so I apologise about my Luddite comment. That was aimed at the entrenched view that things are ok as they are, which is normally a trait of older, not younger people. Age is no sign of experience as you say, but age does have the advantage of mellowing ones views on other people and their abilities. You loose the arrogance of thinking that your way is best and you start to see things from other angles far more clearly. Don't get me wrong, this isn't always a good trait, as younger people tend to see fewer problems and act accordingly, which usually gets things done! We fuddies often get bogged down in the mire of thoughts about possible problems that all too often aren't even there!!! I'm not actually that old, and I'm sure you have far more hours than I, so good for you. I think though, that when you reach the age when people half your age, make remarks that denigrate all the experience you have gained or even assume you have very little ... you may get a chip on your shoulder too!
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I'd forgotten about your previous post with a suggestion of a way forward, so I apologise about my Luddite comment. That was aimed at the entrenched view that things are ok as they are, which is normally a trait of older, not younger people. Age is no sign of experience as you say, but age does have the advantage of mellowing ones views on other people and their abilities. You loose the arrogance of thinking that your way is best and you start to see things from other angles far more clearly. Don't get me wrong, this isn't always a good trait, as younger people tend to see fewer problems and act accordingly, which usually gets things done! We fuddies often get bogged down in the mire of thoughts about possible problems that all too often aren't even there!!! I'm not actually that old, and I'm sure you have far more hours than I, so good for you. I think though, that when you reach the age when people half your age, make remarks that denigrate all the experience you have gained or even assume you have very little ... you may get a chip on your shoulder too!
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I too have a family and money is extremely tight but I did distance learning whilst holding down a full time job and passed the CPL exams.
Then I sold my car to fund the CPL course
Then I put 5K on a bit of plastic to fund the FI rating
Yes it was a hell of a sacrifice and I wish I didn't have to do it all but I did
So it can be done and you can do it if motivated enough
You don't need the CPL course so you can save 5k straightaway
Your potential investment is £1800 for distance learning (plus exam fees)
£5k for FI Rating
Job done !
I too have a family and money is extremely tight but I did distance learning whilst holding down a full time job and passed the CPL exams.
Then I sold my car to fund the CPL course
Then I put 5K on a bit of plastic to fund the FI rating
Yes it was a hell of a sacrifice and I wish I didn't have to do it all but I did
So it can be done and you can do it if motivated enough
You don't need the CPL course so you can save 5k straightaway
Your potential investment is £1800 for distance learning (plus exam fees)
£5k for FI Rating
Job done !
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Unfazed,
I take my hat off to you. Really, I do .... and I'm seriously looking at doing similar. I'm just rather stuck at the moment. My work really does take up over 90 hours a week at the moment and has done for the last two years. It should ease soon ... (I bloody hope so as I can't go on like this). However, I'm hoping the NPPL will change things for the better, but we'll see. One thing that being in the position I am in though, is that I appreciate both the sacrifice made by those like yourself, and the difficulties faced by others in similar positions to myself. What gets my hackles up, are the few .... actually, far from few, who are handed their lives on a silver platter but look down on those who struggle. If they take their good fortune with grace then good for them, but when they snub folk with less privaledged upbringings then they are not only bigots, but fools also. I'm rabbling because \I'm one bottle of wine down, but the sentimate i9s true. I'm a firm believer in the idea that someone, anyone with a passion is far far better an example toothers than someone who simply does because they can! My PPL instructors were brilliant. One was a WW2 Lancaster and hurricane pilot, who after leaving the RAF went straight into teaching PPL's to fly Tigermoths with a PPL and instructor rating. Instructors like him and many others I've met, know far more than a 200 hour frozen ATPL could ever dream of knowing .... but they are still just PPL's! If all is well with the way things are now, then how can we have PPL holders who have never heard of the PFA? PPL's who have to ask if landing on grass needs a specific checkout? or PPL's who have never been shown how to side slip! Any fool can churn out idiots who can fly by numbers ... they even got monkeys to fly spacecraft FFS! To really teach people to fly, to impart the LOVE of flight and to get simple pleasures from that perfect landing, that perfectly kicked off drift just as your into wind wheel touches down in a stiff crosswind or the sound of the exhausts ticking as they cool after a rewarding flight .... that takes more than just a bit of paper. That takes passion!
I really do appreciate that by taking the CPL you are proving yourself in an acedemic way, and that's fine. The PPL howver, is not just the stepping stone to a professional career and doesn't need acedemic tutors. What it needs is enthusiasts. Get them enthused about aviation in general and they will stay. That will benefit the professional instructors (with CPL's) as more may decide to go on to try and gain ratings and aspire to professional status themselves ... a bad thing? For goodness sake, we all love to fly don't we?
****1 ... I've had too much to drink, ||I'll regret this post in the morning so don't be surprised to see the edit brush. Night night all.
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I take my hat off to you. Really, I do .... and I'm seriously looking at doing similar. I'm just rather stuck at the moment. My work really does take up over 90 hours a week at the moment and has done for the last two years. It should ease soon ... (I bloody hope so as I can't go on like this). However, I'm hoping the NPPL will change things for the better, but we'll see. One thing that being in the position I am in though, is that I appreciate both the sacrifice made by those like yourself, and the difficulties faced by others in similar positions to myself. What gets my hackles up, are the few .... actually, far from few, who are handed their lives on a silver platter but look down on those who struggle. If they take their good fortune with grace then good for them, but when they snub folk with less privaledged upbringings then they are not only bigots, but fools also. I'm rabbling because \I'm one bottle of wine down, but the sentimate i9s true. I'm a firm believer in the idea that someone, anyone with a passion is far far better an example toothers than someone who simply does because they can! My PPL instructors were brilliant. One was a WW2 Lancaster and hurricane pilot, who after leaving the RAF went straight into teaching PPL's to fly Tigermoths with a PPL and instructor rating. Instructors like him and many others I've met, know far more than a 200 hour frozen ATPL could ever dream of knowing .... but they are still just PPL's! If all is well with the way things are now, then how can we have PPL holders who have never heard of the PFA? PPL's who have to ask if landing on grass needs a specific checkout? or PPL's who have never been shown how to side slip! Any fool can churn out idiots who can fly by numbers ... they even got monkeys to fly spacecraft FFS! To really teach people to fly, to impart the LOVE of flight and to get simple pleasures from that perfect landing, that perfectly kicked off drift just as your into wind wheel touches down in a stiff crosswind or the sound of the exhausts ticking as they cool after a rewarding flight .... that takes more than just a bit of paper. That takes passion!
I really do appreciate that by taking the CPL you are proving yourself in an acedemic way, and that's fine. The PPL howver, is not just the stepping stone to a professional career and doesn't need acedemic tutors. What it needs is enthusiasts. Get them enthused about aviation in general and they will stay. That will benefit the professional instructors (with CPL's) as more may decide to go on to try and gain ratings and aspire to professional status themselves ... a bad thing? For goodness sake, we all love to fly don't we?
****1 ... I've had too much to drink, ||I'll regret this post in the morning so don't be surprised to see the edit brush. Night night all.
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Wine or not I can tell from your last post that you have a passion for flight and that you have expressed your passion for flight in a very human way
I hope that EASA brings changes that make it easier for pilots to get involved in flight training and that you fulfill your flying ambitions. Don't worry about those with silver spoons or arrogant manners as they will always be around and you will just have to deal with them, as an instructor you will come across a few from time to time.
Hope your circumstances change for the better soon !
Wine or not I can tell from your last post that you have a passion for flight and that you have expressed your passion for flight in a very human way
I hope that EASA brings changes that make it easier for pilots to get involved in flight training and that you fulfill your flying ambitions. Don't worry about those with silver spoons or arrogant manners as they will always be around and you will just have to deal with them, as an instructor you will come across a few from time to time.
Hope your circumstances change for the better soon !
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I knew I'd regret it .... Oh my head! 
Nice wine though ... A bottle of Pinot Noir that I've been saving, wasn't going to drink it until Christmas but my will power is lacking on occassions
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Nice wine though ... A bottle of Pinot Noir that I've been saving, wasn't going to drink it until Christmas but my will power is lacking on occassions
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