Licensed aircraft maintainence engineer
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Licensed aircraft maintainence engineer
Hello pple,
I've just graduated from a Singapore university and i am interested in becoming a LAME. What i know is that only Singapore Airlines Engineering Company is offering such a course and it takes 8 years.
I was wondering if anyone knows what other alternatives i've got besides SIAEC. And what would be the pay structure like after that 8 years?
Really appreciated any information from u guys. Thanks!
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GP
I've just graduated from a Singapore university and i am interested in becoming a LAME. What i know is that only Singapore Airlines Engineering Company is offering such a course and it takes 8 years.
I was wondering if anyone knows what other alternatives i've got besides SIAEC. And what would be the pay structure like after that 8 years?
Really appreciated any information from u guys. Thanks!
Regards,
GP
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Mmmm 8k a month after 8yrs, I don't think so. When I left SQ last year LAE's were coming out of their apprenticeships at $1700 pm, including the first dual type rating on company fleet, plus $100 shift allowance, $60 for laundry plus licence/approval payments of $500 per company dual type and $350 per dual approval to a maximum of $1750pm. Oh yes remember that SQ will only train, through your apprenticeship, for the fist dual licence, you must then wait at least a year to pick up your next type course. When I left the max basic for an LAE with no less than 15yrs time as an LAE was $4800 it would therefore be evident that $8K after 8 years which includes 3.5 yrs as an apprentice is not realistic.
You could realistically expect to be earning somewhere between 4.5k and 5k Sing dollars after 8 years all going well.
Anyway good luck in your choice of career.
You could realistically expect to be earning somewhere between 4.5k and 5k Sing dollars after 8 years all going well.
Anyway good luck in your choice of career.
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Just heard and read a rumour that SIAEC just lost 60 LAME/LAE to Hongkong and Avalon?
Have you seen or heard similar?
Perhaps this will drive up wages a little in our vocation.
Thanks for the info on what local LAMES get in Singa , the 8 K is what I was offered in a walk in interview. No wonder the reps from SQ were pissed when I said to little but I also reminded them in 1991 SQ offered 115K per year plus medical etc
They are still yet to meet the wages offered over 14 years ago
Just heard and read a rumour that SIAEC just lost 60 LAME/LAE to Hongkong and Avalon?
Have you seen or heard similar?
Perhaps this will drive up wages a little in our vocation.
Thanks for the info on what local LAMES get in Singa , the 8 K is what I was offered in a walk in interview. No wonder the reps from SQ were pissed when I said to little but I also reminded them in 1991 SQ offered 115K per year plus medical etc
They are still yet to meet the wages offered over 14 years ago
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I was speaking to one of the brass this morning and he indicated that the number of LAE's leaving was less than 15 going to various places eg Emirates, Haeco etc etc. The numbers that you have heard I would imagine will include the sheetmetal guy's that are going to Avalon and some cone and to a lesser extent greaser technicians also destined for Avalon.
You are correct with the comparison in wages when I came up here in '93 the wages were much better and included a CPF component that no longer exists unless you are on local terms.
SIAEC's latest offering to expats was around the S$11000, info received from other expats, over or under depending on the coverage. B777/Trent and A320/V2500 are the most sought after licences at the moment with the B744/PW4000 combo after that. they still have a fair few expats on contract through the likes of Mil-Com and a lesser amount on SIAEC contracts.
The unfortunate thing with the QF LAME's is the restricted coverage that most, not all, have. Predominately in Sydney SIT line staff are the only few with the Triple/Trent and your domestic brothers playing with Jet-Star A320/V2500's. So unless you negotiate through the contract companies the money could be less than quoted.
The workload is fairly high on line when I was there I would be doing 10-14 jets a shift (12hrs) ranging from old Airbus's to B777 so you had to be on the ball and know your aircrafts as they don't take kindly to delays especially ones caused by lack of knowledge on systems etc.
I must admit that I did on the whole enjoy my numerous years there and found that once use to the way they want you to operate the stress level went down dramatically.
I was speaking to one of the brass this morning and he indicated that the number of LAE's leaving was less than 15 going to various places eg Emirates, Haeco etc etc. The numbers that you have heard I would imagine will include the sheetmetal guy's that are going to Avalon and some cone and to a lesser extent greaser technicians also destined for Avalon.
You are correct with the comparison in wages when I came up here in '93 the wages were much better and included a CPF component that no longer exists unless you are on local terms.
SIAEC's latest offering to expats was around the S$11000, info received from other expats, over or under depending on the coverage. B777/Trent and A320/V2500 are the most sought after licences at the moment with the B744/PW4000 combo after that. they still have a fair few expats on contract through the likes of Mil-Com and a lesser amount on SIAEC contracts.
The unfortunate thing with the QF LAME's is the restricted coverage that most, not all, have. Predominately in Sydney SIT line staff are the only few with the Triple/Trent and your domestic brothers playing with Jet-Star A320/V2500's. So unless you negotiate through the contract companies the money could be less than quoted.
The workload is fairly high on line when I was there I would be doing 10-14 jets a shift (12hrs) ranging from old Airbus's to B777 so you had to be on the ball and know your aircrafts as they don't take kindly to delays especially ones caused by lack of knowledge on systems etc.
I must admit that I did on the whole enjoy my numerous years there and found that once use to the way they want you to operate the stress level went down dramatically.
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You are quite correque about the offer with SQ. The 11k was divided up into all manner of alowances etc
When I asked would I receive more training eg 777 course I got the classic Singapore emotionless blank look. Which means Don't know or I dont want to tell you bad news. Either way I looked at it SQ were not offering a career opertunity and no where near enough cash to be mercenary. Which was a 2 year contract max.
gazzapoh.
Find another vocation, many of the ex SQ LAEs tell me they had a mock set of goal posts hanging on the ready room wall, which they moved aound the room everytime management changed the something which affected your earnings without consultation.
EG the new roster which has just been brought in, more time at work same pay and no overtime to suppliment your income.
Good luck
You are quite correque about the offer with SQ. The 11k was divided up into all manner of alowances etc
When I asked would I receive more training eg 777 course I got the classic Singapore emotionless blank look. Which means Don't know or I dont want to tell you bad news. Either way I looked at it SQ were not offering a career opertunity and no where near enough cash to be mercenary. Which was a 2 year contract max.
gazzapoh.
Find another vocation, many of the ex SQ LAEs tell me they had a mock set of goal posts hanging on the ready room wall, which they moved aound the room everytime management changed the something which affected your earnings without consultation.
EG the new roster which has just been brought in, more time at work same pay and no overtime to suppliment your income.
Good luck
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Bolty,
When you take all the allowances into account and the reduced cost of living in Singapore I think that the offering is reasonable. However when you look at the **** they dump on you, the offer is insufficent. I don't know what coverage or licence type you have but there is a few Brit's (8 that I have been told of with more compatable licences to the CAAS licence starting at SQ either recently or in the near future. (The CAAS licence is now a B1 and B2 type of licence.) So I really do not think that the wages are going to increase significantly in the near future especially for CASA licenced individuals.
The new roster that you mentioned has not yet been implemented it is going through now and should be sorted in the next week or so. It is a 4 on 3 off format with changes to 2 off after a few weeks to make sure that you do your monthly hours. This should reduce the cost to the company of wasted O/T hours.
When you take all the allowances into account and the reduced cost of living in Singapore I think that the offering is reasonable. However when you look at the **** they dump on you, the offer is insufficent. I don't know what coverage or licence type you have but there is a few Brit's (8 that I have been told of with more compatable licences to the CAAS licence starting at SQ either recently or in the near future. (The CAAS licence is now a B1 and B2 type of licence.) So I really do not think that the wages are going to increase significantly in the near future especially for CASA licenced individuals.
The new roster that you mentioned has not yet been implemented it is going through now and should be sorted in the next week or so. It is a 4 on 3 off format with changes to 2 off after a few weeks to make sure that you do your monthly hours. This should reduce the cost to the company of wasted O/T hours.
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Hi loon767
In the pm, u mentioned abt overseas training. I was wondering if u r referring to that during the course of my 8 years? Does everyone gets a chance for overseas training or is it based on performance and so on?
And lets say after my 8 years, realistically, how marketable am i with my acquired license? Do most of the S'pore LAEs carry on with local companies or do they ply their trade abroad?
From the infor on the thread, it seems like going overseas seems to be a greener pastures for the S'pore LAEs, as expats are employed on a contract basis in S'pore. I apologise for any misinterpretation if i am wrong.
And from wat i have acquired so far, there is a lead engineer who is in charge of a team of 7 LAEs, and a foreman is in charge of the lead engineer. While serving the remaining 5 years after my apprenticeship, i would be considered as a LAE. So probably with more experience gained, there would be opportunities to become a lead engineer or even climb to a foreman level after the 8 years?
Sorry for being so long winded, just wana find out more abt the career. Thank you for any advice in advance.
In the pm, u mentioned abt overseas training. I was wondering if u r referring to that during the course of my 8 years? Does everyone gets a chance for overseas training or is it based on performance and so on?
And lets say after my 8 years, realistically, how marketable am i with my acquired license? Do most of the S'pore LAEs carry on with local companies or do they ply their trade abroad?
From the infor on the thread, it seems like going overseas seems to be a greener pastures for the S'pore LAEs, as expats are employed on a contract basis in S'pore. I apologise for any misinterpretation if i am wrong.
And from wat i have acquired so far, there is a lead engineer who is in charge of a team of 7 LAEs, and a foreman is in charge of the lead engineer. While serving the remaining 5 years after my apprenticeship, i would be considered as a LAE. So probably with more experience gained, there would be opportunities to become a lead engineer or even climb to a foreman level after the 8 years?
Sorry for being so long winded, just wana find out more abt the career. Thank you for any advice in advance.
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I was referring to the way in which people are trained oversea's compared to the methods employed by SIAEC. When I did my apprenticeship it was a 5 year course of which I spent about 6 months on courses. compare that with the SIAEC apprenticeship of nearly 4 years and only 6 months on aircraft. There is a big difference in the practical knowlege of LAE with extensive hands on experience compared to an LAE with virtually no practical experience.
From my years with SIA in your first 8 years it would be very unlikely that you would get to do any training overseas. This training usually goes to LAE's with more time in the company and a willingness to sign another bond for the training.
From my years with SIA in your first 8 years it would be very unlikely that you would get to do any training overseas. This training usually goes to LAE's with more time in the company and a willingness to sign another bond for the training.
