Ryanair Strikes again!
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Ryanair Strikes again!
Apparently it's official!. . Ryanair will not be 'USING' FLS anymore for Line maintenance anywhere and may be ditchin the Hard maint. as well......
They will be looking at doing it all themselves.
Another fiasco by Ryanair... . .Well good luck to all involved, specially Ryanair people, 'I pray for you'.
. . Best Regards: SLAVE. . <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
They will be looking at doing it all themselves.
Another fiasco by Ryanair... . .Well good luck to all involved, specially Ryanair people, 'I pray for you'.
. . Best Regards: SLAVE. . <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0"> <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
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This link states that they were happy to sign for a further 5 years, 2 years ago.
<a href="http://www.ryanair.ie/news/flsaerospace.html" target="_blank">http://www.ryanair.ie/news/flsaerospace.html</a>
Have they changed there mind? Very expensive to do that I would say.
<a href="http://www.ryanair.ie/news/flsaerospace.html" target="_blank">http://www.ryanair.ie/news/flsaerospace.html</a>
Have they changed there mind? Very expensive to do that I would say.
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That link 'microwave' is actually for the heavy(hanger) maintenance... . . The Line contracts are the ones that will be terminated!!!
The heavy side is also being re- negotiated presently as the contracts are very heavy ONE sided. As all can see by looking at which one is making the millions and which one is losing it!
Fls apparently is not going to put up with it anymore and it may be more benificial for Fls to lose Ryanair than support them much longer...
Both are playing hardball, but the latest is the Line contract may be finished as of the first of April! . .They will try to hold down the hangar a bit longer as they KNOW it's the ONLY SHED available to them, without some sort of hangar space, they will be shut!!
'Watch this space'
. . best regards. . SLAVE.. . <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
The heavy side is also being re- negotiated presently as the contracts are very heavy ONE sided. As all can see by looking at which one is making the millions and which one is losing it!
Fls apparently is not going to put up with it anymore and it may be more benificial for Fls to lose Ryanair than support them much longer...
Both are playing hardball, but the latest is the Line contract may be finished as of the first of April! . .They will try to hold down the hangar a bit longer as they KNOW it's the ONLY SHED available to them, without some sort of hangar space, they will be shut!!
'Watch this space'
. . best regards. . SLAVE.. . <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
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You are correct 'slave', regarding line / heavy checks.
I can't understand, as the 2 companies NEED each other; especially as the budget airlines are now starting to expand rather rapidly. Why can't they just see that?
I can't understand, as the 2 companies NEED each other; especially as the budget airlines are now starting to expand rather rapidly. Why can't they just see that?
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Well thats down to who writes and agrees the contracts.
No company should maintain aircraft at a loss. You wouldn't take your car into a garage and expect the garage to do it for next to nothing, or even at a loss. They should at absolute minimum cover their costs, never make a loss. If that is not possible, as penpusher states, then, yes, it's time to let them go. They'll probably come back, with a better offer.
No company should maintain aircraft at a loss. You wouldn't take your car into a garage and expect the garage to do it for next to nothing, or even at a loss. They should at absolute minimum cover their costs, never make a loss. If that is not possible, as penpusher states, then, yes, it's time to let them go. They'll probably come back, with a better offer.
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Basically the contract initally was not too bad as it was designed 4+ yrs ago when Ryanair had a few Aircraft, but it's structured to lose money as Ryanair adds Aircraft. The more planes Ryanair has the more loss Fls will be making. . . . . And for the past 2 years Ryan has grown and doubled their fleet and is growing by 2 a month, so the Fls situation is getting worst by the day.
Negotations are still going on daily, but as I said so far Ryan is likly to start first with their own Line opperation.. . The problem when they do that is they have no where for AOG's or a check and stuff requiring a shed as the current Fls line contract covers it all.. . So for a problem above, Fls will have the upper hand now and they will have to pay a premium rate for the facility.
Ryan air seems hell bent on pissing on people that help them in all forms of their opperations.
Having just gotten rid of their handling agents and the A/Craft cleaning company who served them well for years while they were also losing money on their Ryan contract also......
As I said good luck to the new parties getting in bed with them, it's going to be a long hard road ahead!!!!!!!
. . Best Regards. . Slave.. . <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
Negotations are still going on daily, but as I said so far Ryan is likly to start first with their own Line opperation.. . The problem when they do that is they have no where for AOG's or a check and stuff requiring a shed as the current Fls line contract covers it all.. . So for a problem above, Fls will have the upper hand now and they will have to pay a premium rate for the facility.
Ryan air seems hell bent on pissing on people that help them in all forms of their opperations.
Having just gotten rid of their handling agents and the A/Craft cleaning company who served them well for years while they were also losing money on their Ryan contract also......
As I said good luck to the new parties getting in bed with them, it's going to be a long hard road ahead!!!!!!!
. . Best Regards. . Slave.. . <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
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Just an update for whoever is interested!. . It's will probably just get taken over to "airmech" like all the rest of the stuff we start here......
Anyway, Ryanair have officially started their own maintenance company... "SAMS" . .'Stansted Aircraft Maintenance Services.'
Parent company is Ryanair, they will be running the show.. . They have already offered in writting a number of position to Fls line blokes at Stansted, quite a lot had interviews and most got offers.. . The start date is April-08-2002. .Only Licence personnel and ones mainly with the 737-200&800 series. are offered full positions.... .(initally on a ONE year contract). .Then they will supplement them with 'contractors' labour for mechanic position.
There is more in the pot that I will add in time.
Unlike the total miss-information over on 'airmech'. Ryanair are not trying to get a Temp hangar like Easy at Luton. Stansted is a proper airport and will not have that, nor are they putting up a shed for Ryanair. . . Ryanair is also looking at pulling out of the Fls hangar contract as well, but are very bright and are presently searching Europe for someone else to Rip off and takeover.......and are also getting their 2 euros worth by trying to get all the 200's through their heavy checks first as to totally bury Fls, very clever.
There will be many hard days ahead for Ryanair and their new way foward.. . . . Fls will unfortunatly have to trim back abit, staff wise etc, but I believe the end result will be better as Ryanair is a major factor in Fls current situation...
One last thing I must say, Ryanair has some serious balls I say, would you believe Ryanair was carring out their interviews for their new company in Fls headquaters, Inside the diamond hangar...... interviewing Fls staff etc.. . "How low is that...?". ."Imagine going for an interview for ANOTHER COMPANY at your place of work under the nose of your bosses!. . Believe me it gets better!
. . Best Regards. . SLAVE........ . <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
Anyway, Ryanair have officially started their own maintenance company... "SAMS" . .'Stansted Aircraft Maintenance Services.'
Parent company is Ryanair, they will be running the show.. . They have already offered in writting a number of position to Fls line blokes at Stansted, quite a lot had interviews and most got offers.. . The start date is April-08-2002. .Only Licence personnel and ones mainly with the 737-200&800 series. are offered full positions.... .(initally on a ONE year contract). .Then they will supplement them with 'contractors' labour for mechanic position.
There is more in the pot that I will add in time.
Unlike the total miss-information over on 'airmech'. Ryanair are not trying to get a Temp hangar like Easy at Luton. Stansted is a proper airport and will not have that, nor are they putting up a shed for Ryanair. . . Ryanair is also looking at pulling out of the Fls hangar contract as well, but are very bright and are presently searching Europe for someone else to Rip off and takeover.......and are also getting their 2 euros worth by trying to get all the 200's through their heavy checks first as to totally bury Fls, very clever.
There will be many hard days ahead for Ryanair and their new way foward.. . . . Fls will unfortunatly have to trim back abit, staff wise etc, but I believe the end result will be better as Ryanair is a major factor in Fls current situation...
One last thing I must say, Ryanair has some serious balls I say, would you believe Ryanair was carring out their interviews for their new company in Fls headquaters, Inside the diamond hangar...... interviewing Fls staff etc.. . "How low is that...?". ."Imagine going for an interview for ANOTHER COMPANY at your place of work under the nose of your bosses!. . Believe me it gets better!
. . Best Regards. . SLAVE........ . <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
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What are they paying?. .It will have to be a tidy sum if they want to attract people away from long term contracts, and good pension schemes!!!!! HA!
But seriously, any news on SAMS T&C would be usefull, do you have to apply on the internet like the pilots did? . .Do you have to pay £50 just for an application form?
But seriously, any news on SAMS T&C would be usefull, do you have to apply on the internet like the pilots did? . .Do you have to pay £50 just for an application form?
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Hey 'Hovis', it's £150.oo to apply!
Just kidding,,, basically they told everyone at the interviews that it will be £43K+ .. .Thats with a 4*4 shift 2 days 2 nights 4 off. Approvals inclusive. And their is sod all benifits with flights, medical, pension etc etc.
Now in the written contracts offered, it's a bit less cash, £36K and $4.5K or £6K(4*4nights) shift allowance, holidays are the usual 28 days, 5 flights(free) a year with Ryanair(WOW) and some restrictive stuff (in small print) within the first year.. .They will also have a couple shift leaders who will be on a wee bit more £'s........
Apparently alot of the lads are reluctant to jump on board with them, although Fls management made it clear there will be a reduction in staff once this all takes place... . 'I wonder why?'
. . Best Regards. . SLAVE. .
Just kidding,,, basically they told everyone at the interviews that it will be £43K+ .. .Thats with a 4*4 shift 2 days 2 nights 4 off. Approvals inclusive. And their is sod all benifits with flights, medical, pension etc etc.
Now in the written contracts offered, it's a bit less cash, £36K and $4.5K or £6K(4*4nights) shift allowance, holidays are the usual 28 days, 5 flights(free) a year with Ryanair(WOW) and some restrictive stuff (in small print) within the first year.. .They will also have a couple shift leaders who will be on a wee bit more £'s........
Apparently alot of the lads are reluctant to jump on board with them, although Fls management made it clear there will be a reduction in staff once this all takes place... . 'I wonder why?'
. . Best Regards. . SLAVE. .
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Slave,
The current FLS situation has nothing to do with Ryanair. The Aerospace section of the great white elephant ahs been a thorn in the side of FLS industries for years. It has been a poorly managed loss maker for years and will continue to be so unless there is a major rethink & shakeup. Even the great savior Henderson had to jump ship so as to distance himself from what is going to be a major flop.
As for the money being offered to the lads at SAMS, it varies with the level of cover the individuals have, more licence cover = more dosh.
I don't know who you've been speaking to but there's no shortage of FLS lads willing to go over, so much that they are no longer accepting applications from inreested parties.
They will continue to push -200s & -800s through to FLS shed, its a totally seperate contract & due to run for another 3 years and has nothing to do with us loosing the line contract.
They have gotten authorisation from BAA to erect a temporary hangar in the "Real Airport" but they are currently seeking hangar space on the north side - it doesn't look like they are going to get any so a temporary hangar looks very likely.
The majority of lads who have recieved contracts are quite happy with whats been offered. They are permanant full time contracts not one year conracts as you suggested, there is however a one year probation period, sounds like a long time but seems to be the norm in Ryanair from speaking to pilots,cabin crew & engineers.
And they didn't hold interviews in the Diamond hangar, all interviews were held in Bury lodge.
Did they bin your application
The current FLS situation has nothing to do with Ryanair. The Aerospace section of the great white elephant ahs been a thorn in the side of FLS industries for years. It has been a poorly managed loss maker for years and will continue to be so unless there is a major rethink & shakeup. Even the great savior Henderson had to jump ship so as to distance himself from what is going to be a major flop.
As for the money being offered to the lads at SAMS, it varies with the level of cover the individuals have, more licence cover = more dosh.
I don't know who you've been speaking to but there's no shortage of FLS lads willing to go over, so much that they are no longer accepting applications from inreested parties.
They will continue to push -200s & -800s through to FLS shed, its a totally seperate contract & due to run for another 3 years and has nothing to do with us loosing the line contract.
They have gotten authorisation from BAA to erect a temporary hangar in the "Real Airport" but they are currently seeking hangar space on the north side - it doesn't look like they are going to get any so a temporary hangar looks very likely.
The majority of lads who have recieved contracts are quite happy with whats been offered. They are permanant full time contracts not one year conracts as you suggested, there is however a one year probation period, sounds like a long time but seems to be the norm in Ryanair from speaking to pilots,cabin crew & engineers.
And they didn't hold interviews in the Diamond hangar, all interviews were held in Bury lodge.
Did they bin your application
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Sorry Mr Monkey, but you will be surprised of who I am in realation to SAMS.....
I was giving HOVIS a basic idea of the structure of the set up.
And don't say what you don't know, up to TODAY there is only ONE resignation handed in to Fls &(LP).. . I can say more about everything if you like, more than YOU know, ,,like the fact you are only saying that YOU are quite happy to jump ship is because if you decide to stay on, the management has already said with the new Fls line structure YOU will be farmed off to the hangar along with most of the License holders!
So it's only because YOU have no where else to go that you are saying the best about RYANAIR!
'Come on mate prove me wrong'....
One thing, I don't partake in slinging matches, so mind what you say....................
. . Best Regards. . SLAVE. . <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
I was giving HOVIS a basic idea of the structure of the set up.
And don't say what you don't know, up to TODAY there is only ONE resignation handed in to Fls &(LP).. . I can say more about everything if you like, more than YOU know, ,,like the fact you are only saying that YOU are quite happy to jump ship is because if you decide to stay on, the management has already said with the new Fls line structure YOU will be farmed off to the hangar along with most of the License holders!
So it's only because YOU have no where else to go that you are saying the best about RYANAIR!
'Come on mate prove me wrong'....
One thing, I don't partake in slinging matches, so mind what you say....................
. . Best Regards. . SLAVE. . <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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Oh dear Slave
you obviously spend a lot of time talking about things you really do know very little about!
As Monkey has pointed out most (if not all) of your facts are wrong.
I do know as I have the contract, your wrong about money, length of contract, number of people leaving FLS and pretty much everything else you mentioned.
If people like you spent less time gossiping about things you were not sure about , these forums might be quite useful!!
you obviously spend a lot of time talking about things you really do know very little about!
As Monkey has pointed out most (if not all) of your facts are wrong.
I do know as I have the contract, your wrong about money, length of contract, number of people leaving FLS and pretty much everything else you mentioned.
If people like you spent less time gossiping about things you were not sure about , these forums might be quite useful!!
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Another bitter Fls X-employee...
These are facts of what I said.. . Alot of guys HAD their interviews in diamond hangar.. . The salaries I quoted was from contract in particular, your mate(monkey) did say there are different rates of pay to cover.. . I backed that even further saying leaders were on different scales also.. . I stand by what was also said about resignations to date.. . . . It is only in this past week that everyone is jumping on the bandwagon saying they will be going to Ryanair etc etc etc.. .And why? It's because YOU have NO choice in the matter,,,. . Because YOUR manager started to tell everyone(you know who you are) to best start handing out cv's and look for another job once Ryanair is gone or face going into the sheds!
So if you don't want your laundry aired here you best be humble and eat your sour grapes mate.. . Cause I can come even better.
. . Best Regards. . Slave. . <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
These are facts of what I said.. . Alot of guys HAD their interviews in diamond hangar.. . The salaries I quoted was from contract in particular, your mate(monkey) did say there are different rates of pay to cover.. . I backed that even further saying leaders were on different scales also.. . I stand by what was also said about resignations to date.. . . . It is only in this past week that everyone is jumping on the bandwagon saying they will be going to Ryanair etc etc etc.. .And why? It's because YOU have NO choice in the matter,,,. . Because YOUR manager started to tell everyone(you know who you are) to best start handing out cv's and look for another job once Ryanair is gone or face going into the sheds!
So if you don't want your laundry aired here you best be humble and eat your sour grapes mate.. . Cause I can come even better.
. . Best Regards. . Slave. . <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0"> <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
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Spannerman, good to have you aboard gracious sir, it will be a pleasure working with you again (I'm sure...!) - as for the "Ney-Sayers" ???. .. .It always takes good reason (and a lot of carefull consideration ) to leave a comfortable place of employment, where I'm sure we'll agree the pay/conditions are not so bad (or at least not as bad as previous experiences) to embark on a new and previously untried venture and try it out!. .. .I, like you will be hopeful that the new venture works out & am positive that it will, considering the calibre of engineer (the cream of the FLS line & Hangar) that it has attracted.. .. .Nay-sayers (that will remain unmentioned) & of whom ther are many of, ( & quite possibly great contributers to the interest in a new employer in the Airport) will continue I,m sure to remain the backbone of FLS and continue in their quest to mould the engineering section in their likeness...!. .. .As you quite rightly re-enphasised Mr Slave has most of his points quite incorrect or mis-quoted (to give him the benifit of doubt), which we both quite rightly attempted to re-educate him on, but he appears to be of a disposition which objects strongly to persons having a difference of opinion with him. Mr Slave,also from his own quote " you may be surprised to find who I am in relation to SAMS" is quite obvisouly a man of Great Importance, at least in his own happy place (but ironically has a very big axe to grind with the Ryan Lads) - should we wonder why ???. .. .JD must have neglected to call him for interview, what do you think ???. .. .Spannerman, I personally think this venture will be a winner for all the lads involved - personally happy with the character of all the lads coming from FLS, motivated, enthusiastic ,open-minded (makes a change from Ryan-bashing & Nay-sayers) & I think most of the licenced guys will do good in the new setup.. .. .It will be a challange at first I'm sure, but am encouraged by former collegues (of which great admiration was held + a certain admiration for the attitude & experience of the existing Ryan engineers) of whom we are about to co-work with.. .. .Slave, you will undoubtly be loosing quite a few good collegues (& dare I say friends??). .& your own position may come into question (but you will have us believe not !!). .And you also view yourself as a man of great asset to the dwindling giant, so I'm sure your position is safe & I'm also sure you'll join me in wishing all your former collegues the greatest of luck in their new employment.. .. .Wish you the best mate, just not for me & many more!!!. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />
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<img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> . .. .If nobody is leaving, why are FLS advertising for more people @ STN. Especially when they are losing a large chunk of their workload ????. .. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> . .. .Doesn't add up Slave
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Diablo, read carefully first.... .. . Firstly, we are speaking about the line section, not hangar. The hangar is recruiting as they are short, NOT FLS STN LINE!. .. . Right, initally as I said, NO ONE was leaving but over the past 2 weeks there have been many resignations being handed in, mostly lads going to join Ryanairs new adventure and others got in somewhere else.. .. . And as I also said(which still has not been strangly commented on from others here), the only reason people are now leaving is because if Fls doesn't have the Ryanair contract anymore, then . .staff will have to be reduced as Ryanair accounted for half the workload at Stansted Line.. . . . And the managers made it clear that there will be a clear out, trying not to make reduncies they will try to fit the surplus staff in where ever available, wether in the hangar or ?????? . .. . So on hearing this news, (the hangar is not an attractive choice for most, I won't say why),. . there is a recent flood of resignations as there is 'NO CHOICE' for some.. .. . Best Regards. .. . SLAVE. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
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Intriguing subject. I have never worked for FLS but have been a customer of theirs in the past when I was with Air 2 Bob.
As a customer it was plainly obvious that the marketing/management and the hangar floor production just never communicated. The aircraft were only out on time due to good guys on the floor.
As an outfit they have always had this situation. How can they seemingly have work lining up outside the hangar, nose to tail aircraft and yet never make any money? This was their case even as FFV and before.
What is stranger is that the FLS parent company seem to let this happen. Lets face it with a decent management structure in place and some realisitic marketing, they could clean up.
Are there hidden agendas here? are they getting huge EC grants and tax breaks as a corporation for the losses? for all of this and basically don't give a rats about you guys?
I'd be interested to know how you guys see it, better discussion that mud slinging, think you'd agree.
As a customer it was plainly obvious that the marketing/management and the hangar floor production just never communicated. The aircraft were only out on time due to good guys on the floor.
As an outfit they have always had this situation. How can they seemingly have work lining up outside the hangar, nose to tail aircraft and yet never make any money? This was their case even as FFV and before.
What is stranger is that the FLS parent company seem to let this happen. Lets face it with a decent management structure in place and some realisitic marketing, they could clean up.
Are there hidden agendas here? are they getting huge EC grants and tax breaks as a corporation for the losses? for all of this and basically don't give a rats about you guys?
I'd be interested to know how you guys see it, better discussion that mud slinging, think you'd agree.
