Bringing a Grand C208 to Dunnuunda & Godzone?
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Bringing a Grand C208 to Dunnuunda & Godzone?
We see lots of Pilot movements between Southern Africa and your area but what about aircraft?
What would happen if me and my Van came to Aus or NZ for six months?
In most African territories provided you hitch up legally with a local operator and employ local piots you can fly a Foreign Reg aircraft for 3 months with a 3 month extension.
Does the same apply 'down there'?
Is there demand for 'Van work?
Quite fancy seeing how the other half live and fly.
What would happen if me and my Van came to Aus or NZ for six months?
In most African territories provided you hitch up legally with a local operator and employ local piots you can fly a Foreign Reg aircraft for 3 months with a 3 month extension.
Does the same apply 'down there'?
Is there demand for 'Van work?
Quite fancy seeing how the other half live and fly.
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I would think you would have more applicants than you can point a stick at 
.....BUT.....Don't quote me on this now, I don't think you can operate a foreign registered aircraft in a commercial capacity in Australia without some type of dispensation, and then we are only talking about weeks. 
Does your aircraft have the UK Kit thus 14 seat......Does it have GPWS or EGPWS.....What type of equipment does it have - Pod etc etc????
.....BUT.....Don't quote me on this now, I don't think you can operate a foreign registered aircraft in a commercial capacity in Australia without some type of dispensation, and then we are only talking about weeks. Does your aircraft have the UK Kit thus 14 seat......Does it have GPWS or EGPWS.....What type of equipment does it have - Pod etc etc????
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Thanks for your input guys, but your right, it looks like a non starter.
The aircraft is a 14 seat commuter with the pod. Has the Radar altimeter but not GPWS. As it is ex South America we do not have the UK-CAA package so we will have to confine our roaming to the wilder areas of Africa (i.e.All of it!!!)
Most of the African territories are very short on their fleets so they are quite relaxed about foreign aircraft with local operators.
But I see that you guys in A & NZ are quite sophisticated despite having all that bush to roam (and fly) around.
Pity. I would have been a nice experience for a few months.
I will have to use that well known Bush Operation, Quantas, to get to see Australia!! :-) :-) :-)
By the way does A & NZ permit Scheduled ops with the single Engine Turbine? We are just about to start that battle in Zambia.
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Having just read some of the posts today on Commuter problems, what ARE the C208's doing in A & NZ? Pax Sched? Pax Charter? Freight? We do a 500 nm triangle for an operational cost of about US $1600. We break even at about 10 pax for the whole triangle. Interested to hear views on your situation.
The aircraft is a 14 seat commuter with the pod. Has the Radar altimeter but not GPWS. As it is ex South America we do not have the UK-CAA package so we will have to confine our roaming to the wilder areas of Africa (i.e.All of it!!!)
Most of the African territories are very short on their fleets so they are quite relaxed about foreign aircraft with local operators.
But I see that you guys in A & NZ are quite sophisticated despite having all that bush to roam (and fly) around.
Pity. I would have been a nice experience for a few months.
I will have to use that well known Bush Operation, Quantas, to get to see Australia!! :-) :-) :-)
By the way does A & NZ permit Scheduled ops with the single Engine Turbine? We are just about to start that battle in Zambia.
Additional Post:
Having just read some of the posts today on Commuter problems, what ARE the C208's doing in A & NZ? Pax Sched? Pax Charter? Freight? We do a 500 nm triangle for an operational cost of about US $1600. We break even at about 10 pax for the whole triangle. Interested to hear views on your situation.
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QANTAS has no "U" in it Flying Bean.
Thank you for your very kind comments about the sophistication in Australia, we are all very touched. It is so nice to know that we are not all unsophisticated idiots who don't have "Vans" as you call them.
Without being rude, we don't really need your "van" or you flying around in our "bush" and since you have plenty of your own "bush" perhaps you might like to confine yourself to it.
Goodbye, nice to know you.
LE
Thank you for your very kind comments about the sophistication in Australia, we are all very touched. It is so nice to know that we are not all unsophisticated idiots who don't have "Vans" as you call them.
Without being rude, we don't really need your "van" or you flying around in our "bush" and since you have plenty of your own "bush" perhaps you might like to confine yourself to it.
Goodbye, nice to know you.
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Whew! Thanks LE. Now I see why I could not activate the Smilies on this forum. Sort of automatic-foreigner-delete. And I thought it was just the new software!!
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Ahhhh LE, just who was it that put you in charge of Foreign Relations 
.....methinks that whomever it was, probably got their experience from the Bin Loader School of Foreign Relations
FB....Question for you....If you don't have the UK Kit embodied, how do you class it as a 14 seat aircraft????
.....methinks that whomever it was, probably got their experience from the Bin Loader School of Foreign Relations FB....Question for you....If you don't have the UK Kit embodied, how do you class it as a 14 seat aircraft????
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Hey Flying Bean
I know that there used to be a Canadian registered C208B operated by Sander Geophysics in Oz. It was there for about 2 years in total. I'm not sure of what regulations or special permission they required but I do know that they brought their own pilots with them. I haven't the faintest idea about recently if this is still allowed as Sander brought their C208B back a while ago. Good luck flying "the bush".
I know that there used to be a Canadian registered C208B operated by Sander Geophysics in Oz. It was there for about 2 years in total. I'm not sure of what regulations or special permission they required but I do know that they brought their own pilots with them. I haven't the faintest idea about recently if this is still allowed as Sander brought their C208B back a while ago. Good luck flying "the bush".
Flying Bean. Nothing to stop you bringing your Van to Oz for a private tour, but you won't be able to operate commercial without a discrete AOC being issued by CASA.
In Australia, commercially (on the Oz register) your Van (with US FAA certification) would be a nine seat single engine, VFR charter aircraft. There are around 30 C208/C208B's in Australia - I think only one C208B had US FAA certification and believe that aircraft has now left Australia.
C208s and C208B's with UK CAA certification may be approved for single turbine engine IFR charter and RPT operations, subject to being suitably equipped and the operator and pilot being suitably approved. Not sure any C208/C208B's are currently operating RPT, but in the past they have very successfully conducted RPT operations in North Queensland (Cairns and the Torres Strait) and Darwin.
Charter rates for C208/C208B are (or should be) around Aus$1,000 to Aus$1,300 per hour.
Indeed, an all time great aircraft - even Gaunty and nasa must agree!
(Edited to force nasa to agree the C208 is a great aircraft.
Sorry nasa - I forgot CYA's C208 is still operating RPT on the Cape York mail services.)
In Australia, commercially (on the Oz register) your Van (with US FAA certification) would be a nine seat single engine, VFR charter aircraft. There are around 30 C208/C208B's in Australia - I think only one C208B had US FAA certification and believe that aircraft has now left Australia.
C208s and C208B's with UK CAA certification may be approved for single turbine engine IFR charter and RPT operations, subject to being suitably equipped and the operator and pilot being suitably approved. Not sure any C208/C208B's are currently operating RPT, but in the past they have very successfully conducted RPT operations in North Queensland (Cairns and the Torres Strait) and Darwin.
Charter rates for C208/C208B are (or should be) around Aus$1,000 to Aus$1,300 per hour.
Indeed, an all time great aircraft - even Gaunty and nasa must agree!
(Edited to force nasa to agree the C208 is a great aircraft.
Sorry nasa - I forgot CYA's C208 is still operating RPT on the Cape York mail services.)
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Just for your info there is another C208B on RPT. Janami Air operate Alice Springs-Yuendume-Lajamanu (Hooker Creek)-Kalkaringi-Katherine and return the next day. The service operates twice per week and has done so for about a year. I understand the groups PC-12 also has RPT approval over that route.
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Hey Torres , I never said the Campervan was a bad aircraft, just bloody expensive, that's all .....BTW.....How the hell do I get Cessna to retrofit the UK Kit to allow for all those beast sitting in the USA, to be useable in Australia as 14 seat, and how do I get the CASA to accept TAWS (Terrain Awareness and Warning System) as a legitmate replacement for EGPWS????
I had a conversation with an old collegue yesterday about the Islander V C208, and as he said, he would hate to see the Islander replaced by C208's, because it would put him out of business.....he sells spare parts for a living (initials are JM, ring a bell)
.....BTW.....How the hell do I get Cessna to retrofit the UK Kit to allow for all those beast sitting in the USA, to be useable in Australia as 14 seat, and how do I get the CASA to accept TAWS (Terrain Awareness and Warning System) as a legitmate replacement for EGPWS????I had a conversation with an old collegue yesterday about the Islander V C208, and as he said, he would hate to see the Islander replaced by C208's, because it would put him out of business.....he sells spare parts for a living (initials are JM, ring a bell)
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In answer to your questions:
a) They won't. Period. Forget it.
b) You leave that to me. I've been running around the country in a new 208B fitted with the new King KGP560 TAWS, which includes a terrain awareness display on the multi-function display, and it's brilliant - possibly one of the greatest safety enhancements in GA for decades. I've shown it to CASA. I'm optimistic they too will understand its significance and make the minor amendment necessary to CAO 20.18 to permit its use in light turboprops on commercial passenger IFR ops. It's a lifesaver.
In answer to your questions:
a) They won't. Period. Forget it.
b) You leave that to me. I've been running around the country in a new 208B fitted with the new King KGP560 TAWS, which includes a terrain awareness display on the multi-function display, and it's brilliant - possibly one of the greatest safety enhancements in GA for decades. I've shown it to CASA. I'm optimistic they too will understand its significance and make the minor amendment necessary to CAO 20.18 to permit its use in light turboprops on commercial passenger IFR ops. It's a lifesaver.
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HarveyGee .....Ok then, get me the details of what is embodied in the Mod and I will get an EO raised & duplicate it
I had heard a rumour that the CASA were looking at scrapping the 14 seat approval here and going with the FAA.....any truth????
I had heard a rumour that the CASA were looking at scrapping the 14 seat approval here and going with the FAA.....any truth????
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Hey Harvey Gee it was good to catch up in the Centre the other day. I trust your superior expertise on the topic here will be acknowledged.
It is by me and appreciated. Keep up the great work.
It is by me and appreciated. Keep up the great work.
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Nasa & HarveyGee
Cessna agents in Miami advise:
1.The CAA kit is least expensive if ordered on new aircraft.We do not recommend getting it if it is not required. It will cost around US$30,000 after the fact & the pieces have to be ordered one at a time because there is no kit.
2.KGP 560 Terrain Avoidance Sytem US$21,525
Also interested to see of any changes in 14 seat approval/FAA
Cessna agents in Miami advise:
1.The CAA kit is least expensive if ordered on new aircraft.We do not recommend getting it if it is not required. It will cost around US$30,000 after the fact & the pieces have to be ordered one at a time because there is no kit.
2.KGP 560 Terrain Avoidance Sytem US$21,525
Also interested to see of any changes in 14 seat approval/FAA