What_does_this_button_do?

It has gone to the administration folder in the sky.

PPRuNe is not the place to discuss illegal things - do it elsewhere please.

Thanks,

B

fobotcso

Buttons, I'm very glad to see this policy being enforced but confused about why the following thread was allowed to run:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=52229

even though some of the participants were discussing home building kit for the illegal process of transmitting mobile 'phone blocking frequencies.

It's illegal to make unlicensed RF transmissions on all but a few frequency bands both in UK and US.

I did draw the thread to the attention of a moderator...

73s fobotcso (G0??? inactive) [Edit to disguise C/S better]

okeydokey

Well I beg to differ!

Pesumably we are talking about the CD protection thread that has disappeared.
The topic itself was originally discussing how to play copyright CDs or DVDs on a home PC as opposed to a conventional CD/DVD player. This is NOT piracy!
Nor is it unlawfull to backup software, music or DVDs if you are the existing owner of the said item...
I am assuming there was no offensive posting after my last entry as the thread was deleted soon after.

Buttons, I fail to recall any indication or suggestion of illegal activity, in fact your intimation of piracy did not even lead me to think of that particular thread until I noticed it missing.
Whilst I am willing to respect and accommodate any moderators wishes, I do ask you to revise your decision to remove the thread as current methods of software protection etc do have a direct negative effect on law abiding PC users and pirates alike.

In the meantime
Hugh de payen ,
I posted some links that you may find usefull, if you did not see them email me.
[email protected]


FL310 ,
I'm still interested to know if it is possible to see the empty track on these CDs/DVDs.
It might be prudent if you could email your reply in light of the above issue.
Thanks,
Dokey

gofer

what about and all the other similar ones.

One can of course argue that undoing a DVD code is just removing a civil un-liberty that is illegal in some countries.

The late compaq, when challenged that the DVD code was a removal of cilil liberty on a laptop that a user used for the cause that it was sold for (travelling the globe), refused to remove the code themselves but provided an immediate link to the softer to so do, so as to avoid a 'class action'. American Law !!!!

stagger

okeydokey has a point - the thread was originally concerned simply with how to play copy-protected audio CDs on a computer instead of a hi-fi unit.

Unfortunately, someone (errr....me) posted a link providing information on how to copy software CDs that incorporate copy protection schemes such as Del c*.* /y .

Now, I am only interested in being able to do this to back up legitimately purchased software - but others might abuse the information provided

So couldn't I just delete my post and then the thread could be restored since it wouldn't then deal with anything illegal??

Spot my edit? What_does_this_button_do?

RomeoTangoFoxtrotMike

okeydokey

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The topic itself was originally discussing how to play copyright CDs or DVDs on a home PC as opposed to a conventional CD/DVD player. This is NOT piracy!
Nor is it unlawfull to backup software, music or DVDs if you are the existing owner of the said item...
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You might be able to claim "fair use" for now, but for how much longer ?

This is what's happening America right now:
http://hardware.earthweb.com/prodop/...985991,00.html

But just in case you thought "that can't happen here" have a look at:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/25256.html

PPRuNe Towers

Here's the official word from us at the Towers.

You write to this forum from your own computer and naturally think in terms of yourself and whatever you feel you have the personal right to do with software.

However, we at the Towers read what you write with our names and addresses indelibly linked to the site and, as publishers of what you write, are responsible for it.

Individually you are targets not worth bothering with. Collectively PPRuNe offers a glorious publicity outburst if targetted and it costs the same as just chasing one of you. Taking you to court won't get on TV - taking us will.

Go ahead - fill your boots with hacks, cracks and felt tip trickery but do it by e-mail where no-one will bother with you. We aren't putting 7 years of work at risk so you can burn a gash copy of bleedin' Neil Diamond, Live at the Rochdale Alhambra.

Rob Lloyd

fobotcso

...ever get the feeling that you're talking to yourself?

What_does_this_button_do?

fobotcso

Thanks! I've edited that post.

B

stagger

What_does_this_button_do

Of course I spotted the edit - but I'm not sure what it was there for. I simply mentioned the name of a well known copy protection scheme and offered no information about how to get around it. I also apologised for providing a link to such information and offered to withdraw that earlier post so that the original thread could perhaps be restored.

As for why I can't even mention the name of a copy protection scheme - isn't that rather like saying that I can't mention the name of a lock manufacturer (e.g. Yale, Chubb)?

PPRuNe Towers

I think we can all live without any more copies of Neil Diamond's recordings - but as I've already written - the purpose of the original thread was to dicuss how to play copy protected audio CDs on a PC, not how to copy them. The fact that many won't play on PCs has been widely acknowledged and some retailers have offered refunds or replacements.

So I guess the only advice we can dispense here is - if it won't play on your PC - take it back and ask for a refund.

What_does_this_button_do?

Befoer I edited your post I did a search on Google for that word and all I got was "how to break....."

I note you apology and of course it is accepted. I am just policing the forum to ensure that we are above board.

B

stagger

What_does_this_button_do?

Fair enough. I suppose if you do a Google search on "Yale" or "Chubb" you don't get a load of sites with instructions on how to break into people's houses - so maybe there is a difference

Cyclic Hotline

Apologies. Did not mean to create a problem. :o

fobotcso

Buttons, just lurve that edit! Terrific sense of humour! fob

Sometimes we do get a bit serious in this Forum so it's nice to see it liven up a bit. But as the Top Floor Team say, it has to stay legal and decent.

FL310

fobotsco...I second that

okeydokey

Agreed,

I'll stand by my first post but it's only fair to Towers and all moderators that we err on the side of safety as their position is not always delt with fairly by outside parties.

Dspprune, thanks for the link. Scary stuff. However, I'll have to consult my legal team after you cut and pasted parts of my post (intellectual property mumble mumble) .

Towers, I'm more of a Tennesee Moon fan myself

Please also err on the side of safety when alluding to the identities or nicknames of people - thanks

RomeoTangoFoxtrotMike

okeydokey,

Indeed ;-)

One needs to exercise some care before putting fingers to keyboard in a public forum like this, since your remarks are public and archived for posterity (email me privately if you want details of another scary story in this vein about people who, by dint of who they are, should have known better and who ended up getting tangled with the DPA after posting on a public forum and regretting it...)

As for the European copyright stuff, yes, scary. I suspect that not many people realise the possible impact of this. Forewarned is forarmed, as they say.

As to the guys in the the Tower: they do a fantastic job. It's their system, and they have absolute discretion in the way it runs. Once we've agreed to the terms and conditions, that's it. The T&Cs give the sysadmins the absolute right to operate the system they way they want to, and that will include doing whatever is necessary to ensure it continues to operate.

Thanks for all the hard work, guys

okeydokey

Oops again,
radar, you beat me to the edit.
sorry to all involved.
Can't seem to get anything right this week

Man-on-the-fence

Err fellas.... where has my C Drive gone

fobotcso

I've got it. When I've finished copying off all the interesting stuff I'll e-mail it back to you.