Wow it really sucks up here!
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All my friend with a commercial licence in Italy found a jobs, i came to Canada and i am the only one with no chance of a job
My best friend for example got hired in the Lear45 with 400 hours!!!!! and he is making very good money too...
It is truth, in europe is more expensive but belive me that A LOT of people can pay for their licence not only 30%, somehow people thre handle the money better i guess
My best friend for example got hired in the Lear45 with 400 hours!!!!! and he is making very good money too...
It is truth, in europe is more expensive but belive me that A LOT of people can pay for their licence not only 30%, somehow people thre handle the money better i guess
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The costs of becoming a pilot here in the Netherlands are certainly very high. But if you attend one of two State recognized schools you get fairly easy financing from the banks. That is how most guys/girls do it. If you make it through the pre-screening you have a very good shot at making it to the major airlines, and at the young ages that they join they have a great head start in getting the thing paid off by the time they are in their late twenties to early thirties. By that time their pay will be easily in excess of 130,000 Canadian and they are nicely set up for the rest of their careers.
The big difference between here and Canada lies in the fact that anyone (regardless of intellect, capabilities, or aptitude) can take a crack at breaking into our profession. In the Netherlands they pre-screen you to see if you have what it takes. One system produces too demand (and in exceptional times of growth there is a buffer of well qualified people out there who can fill in the gaps), the other system (in Canada) produces an excess that can be exploited in good or bad times to produce the lowest labour costs possible.
Not saying one is better than the other, but I certainly met more people who should not be in our business back home in Canada than I do here in this country. My best friend back in Canada is one of the best handling pilots I know, great Captain for one of the large regional airlines in Canada, and an all-around great person. He would have never made it here in Europe because of his lack of grades and book smarts. That is the downside; there are a lot of people here who would have made great Captains who did not pass the screening. For those of us who do make it, the rewards are that much greater because of the difficulties that are put in your way.
The big difference between here and Canada lies in the fact that anyone (regardless of intellect, capabilities, or aptitude) can take a crack at breaking into our profession. In the Netherlands they pre-screen you to see if you have what it takes. One system produces too demand (and in exceptional times of growth there is a buffer of well qualified people out there who can fill in the gaps), the other system (in Canada) produces an excess that can be exploited in good or bad times to produce the lowest labour costs possible.
Not saying one is better than the other, but I certainly met more people who should not be in our business back home in Canada than I do here in this country. My best friend back in Canada is one of the best handling pilots I know, great Captain for one of the large regional airlines in Canada, and an all-around great person. He would have never made it here in Europe because of his lack of grades and book smarts. That is the downside; there are a lot of people here who would have made great Captains who did not pass the screening. For those of us who do make it, the rewards are that much greater because of the difficulties that are put in your way.
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SpeedbirdEh....
Thats awesome! You elevate yourself above issuing personal insults, then you insult me...personally!
You're only human after all!
I hope you think that over carefully next time you strap yourself into an airplane that's just been released from maintenance. You may discover one day that your safety is at least partly dependant on us "ground" dwellers.
Thats awesome! You elevate yourself above issuing personal insults, then you insult me...personally!
You're only human after all!
P.S. I am glad you are an AME... the ground is where you belong
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Wow, this thread is actually back on track!
Interesting perspectives from those in other regions. But cplpilot, your story proves my point- sure all of the people you knew that had commercial pilot licenses got jobs, but you probably have no idea the number of people that were not even able to get to that point. And no, people in Canada are not just "bad at handling money".
In all honesty it begs the question, if it is so damn great back in Italy, what the h&ll are you doing here? For most native north americans (like myself), an EU passport is a non-starter. If I had a CHOICE of where I would work, like you do, I would more than likely choose the place with better conditions, pay, and chances of success given my qualifications. Staying here in Canada, whining about how difficult it is serves no purpose whatsoever. Go back to Italy man!!
Otterman,
Your summary of the dutch approach to training summarizes my initial (deleted post) point about european aviation being elitist. Canada's charter of civil rights and freedoms practically outlaws that kind of screening if it were to unfairly limit opportunities. But it sure does make it seem like its "easier" to get a job once you're in; and also by limiting supply, increases demand and thus pay.
Cheers
Interesting perspectives from those in other regions. But cplpilot, your story proves my point- sure all of the people you knew that had commercial pilot licenses got jobs, but you probably have no idea the number of people that were not even able to get to that point. And no, people in Canada are not just "bad at handling money".
In all honesty it begs the question, if it is so damn great back in Italy, what the h&ll are you doing here? For most native north americans (like myself), an EU passport is a non-starter. If I had a CHOICE of where I would work, like you do, I would more than likely choose the place with better conditions, pay, and chances of success given my qualifications. Staying here in Canada, whining about how difficult it is serves no purpose whatsoever. Go back to Italy man!!
Otterman,
Your summary of the dutch approach to training summarizes my initial (deleted post) point about european aviation being elitist. Canada's charter of civil rights and freedoms practically outlaws that kind of screening if it were to unfairly limit opportunities. But it sure does make it seem like its "easier" to get a job once you're in; and also by limiting supply, increases demand and thus pay.
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The fact is that i am trying to go back and i am trying to get a JAA licence (not easy with a canadian CPL). Also i have a life, a wife and friends here and i pay 50% of my income to the Canadian government and i think that entitle me to at list hoping that things might get better, don't yuo think?
In Canada have this beautiful pile of **** called human right commision (all Canadian are proud of it), where everybody has the same rights... then you talk to canadians and the first thing they can say is "go back to Italy". Do you understand that i like here, but yes is not a perfect country, Canada like Italy, USA, and the rest of the world has problems. Your parents were immigrants too and probably worked their ass off to make this country better right? If all immigrant that have problem leave Canada, the country would be empty now!!!!
Even if i am trying to get a job in Italy, that doesn't mean that pilots here are not treated like garbage and i hope the industry gets better, for my advantage and yours Dockjock.
Even if i come from Italy, we share the same passion, the same home (Canada) and the same hopes.
In Canada have this beautiful pile of **** called human right commision (all Canadian are proud of it), where everybody has the same rights... then you talk to canadians and the first thing they can say is "go back to Italy". Do you understand that i like here, but yes is not a perfect country, Canada like Italy, USA, and the rest of the world has problems. Your parents were immigrants too and probably worked their ass off to make this country better right? If all immigrant that have problem leave Canada, the country would be empty now!!!!
Even if i am trying to get a job in Italy, that doesn't mean that pilots here are not treated like garbage and i hope the industry gets better, for my advantage and yours Dockjock.
Even if i come from Italy, we share the same passion, the same home (Canada) and the same hopes.
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STC,
Don't ever forget that without these "Canadian Pilot Whores" to fly your plane's you'd not be enjoying your present career as we all depend on eachother. I don't count on you hearing me all the way up there on your "Royal Canadian AME Throne" though!
As for the original thread there are obviously pro's and con's to becomming a pilot anywhere. I am born in canada and was raised in Europe and came here to pursue my lifelong dream.
I have had 12 years so rich with experience I could probably write a book. I would not change any of it if I could, like I said before. It is not an easy decision to leave Canada and I hope to return some day.
But the fact remains, after 12 years of hard work and many sacrifices my bankaccount is still empty and I am not getting any younger. The grass might not be any greener on the other side, but it is certainly taller
Don't ever forget that without these "Canadian Pilot Whores" to fly your plane's you'd not be enjoying your present career as we all depend on eachother. I don't count on you hearing me all the way up there on your "Royal Canadian AME Throne" though!
As for the original thread there are obviously pro's and con's to becomming a pilot anywhere. I am born in canada and was raised in Europe and came here to pursue my lifelong dream.
I have had 12 years so rich with experience I could probably write a book. I would not change any of it if I could, like I said before. It is not an easy decision to leave Canada and I hope to return some day.
But the fact remains, after 12 years of hard work and many sacrifices my bankaccount is still empty and I am not getting any younger. The grass might not be any greener on the other side, but it is certainly taller
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Don't ever forget that without these "Canadian Pilot Whores" to fly your plane's you'd not be enjoying your present career as we all depend on eachother.
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STC,
I apologize for my improper use of quotes. But I have no doubt that for those who read it.......well, they don't really need to understand what I was trying to get at anyway if they have read the rest of your posts on here. I think you have made it clear how you feel about pilots and yourself. You're not a hardcore racist by any chance, are you?
As for Speedbird, I choose to belive he was being sarcastic.
I apologize for my improper use of quotes. But I have no doubt that for those who read it.......well, they don't really need to understand what I was trying to get at anyway if they have read the rest of your posts on here. I think you have made it clear how you feel about pilots and yourself. You're not a hardcore racist by any chance, are you?
As for Speedbird, I choose to belive he was being sarcastic.
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You're not a hardcore racist by any chance, are you?
And what exactly is a "hardcore" racist? Someone who shuns nasty porn?
My last post was absolutely dripping with sarcasm. Didn't you see the smiley at the end?
You're trying hard to make me the bad guy here so you'll restore some sense of loss. Lighten up. I'm just some guy on the internet. If you don't like what I say, it won't affect you in the least. Really.
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Alright fella's, give it a break will ya ? It's all getting a tad boring to say the least.
Comfortable living in Canada or relatively rich in Europe ? My circumstances are slightly different to most, but my plan is to pay off my Canadian mortgage in Europe, retire to Canada at 38 on a pension and top it up with an instructing job, obviously not for the money but for the quality of life in Canada and to be able to be home at nights
Lots of money is good. Not much use though if the missus and kids are at home without you, spending it while you work your a$$ off.
And in Europe you will. . . ..
Each to their own. Good luck to everyone and what they choose.
Comfortable living in Canada or relatively rich in Europe ? My circumstances are slightly different to most, but my plan is to pay off my Canadian mortgage in Europe, retire to Canada at 38 on a pension and top it up with an instructing job, obviously not for the money but for the quality of life in Canada and to be able to be home at nights
Lots of money is good. Not much use though if the missus and kids are at home without you, spending it while you work your a$$ off.
And in Europe you will. . . ..
Each to their own. Good luck to everyone and what they choose.
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STC,
I relalize it is only a forum, but does that mean we don't have to be civilized? I have worked my ass off for 12 years in Canadian aviation and yes I am still pissed off/offended by being called a whore. Especially when it is being done by someone cowardly hiding behind a username. The really sad part is you won't apologize or back off on your generalization so that tells me all I need to know about your character.
You read my question right. Calling all Canadian pilots whores would be like saying all blacks are criminals hence the Q!
If you were being sarcastic earlier on, I apologize for failing to see the humor in being called a whore.
To rest of you reading this, I also apologize if you see my defending the integrity of Canadian commercial pilots as a neusance.
I relalize it is only a forum, but does that mean we don't have to be civilized? I have worked my ass off for 12 years in Canadian aviation and yes I am still pissed off/offended by being called a whore. Especially when it is being done by someone cowardly hiding behind a username. The really sad part is you won't apologize or back off on your generalization so that tells me all I need to know about your character.
You read my question right. Calling all Canadian pilots whores would be like saying all blacks are criminals hence the Q!
If you were being sarcastic earlier on, I apologize for failing to see the humor in being called a whore.
To rest of you reading this, I also apologize if you see my defending the integrity of Canadian commercial pilots as a neusance.
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smo,
Sorry I called you a whore. One dictionary defines a "whore" as someone who will "compromise one's principles for personal gain." But, the word "whore" is slang and somewhat vulgar. So. let me rephrase my statement:
All Canadian pilots are NOT whores. They are prostitutes.
Is that better? One definition of prostitute is “One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.”
In my opinion, based on the information on this thread, that is exactly what Canadian pilots are overwhelmingly guilty of. If you accept a wage for a flying that is below acceptable rates, especially if your duties are out of sync with your work description (those pilots that fly, then hang around the ramp loading, then spend the evening spit shining the bird and not counting it as “duty time” come to mind) instead of instantly realizing that those jobs cheapen the profession and support the operator’s opinion that pilots need to “work their way up” to a real pilot job, then you are contributing to the problem.
If operators know they have a huge pool of these people to draw from in Canada, what incentive do they have for developing creative training schemes, or paying an entry level pilot for flying instead of cleaning? Not so much…..
The ex-Jetsgo pilots did a HUGE disservice to the industry by going beyond even prostitution and actually paying the employer for the privilege of working there. The truth hurts sometimes.
"Cowardly"? Hiding behind a user name? This is an anonymous forum. Most of us are aware of what that means and each of us is entitled to "hide" or expose ourselves. By calling me cowardly for posting anonymously, you are effectively calling the vast majority of pprune contributors including yourself "cowardly". Sort of an unjustified generalization don't you think?
Perhaps you should apologize…..
Sorry I called you a whore. One dictionary defines a "whore" as someone who will "compromise one's principles for personal gain." But, the word "whore" is slang and somewhat vulgar. So. let me rephrase my statement:
All Canadian pilots are NOT whores. They are prostitutes.
Is that better? One definition of prostitute is “One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose.”
In my opinion, based on the information on this thread, that is exactly what Canadian pilots are overwhelmingly guilty of. If you accept a wage for a flying that is below acceptable rates, especially if your duties are out of sync with your work description (those pilots that fly, then hang around the ramp loading, then spend the evening spit shining the bird and not counting it as “duty time” come to mind) instead of instantly realizing that those jobs cheapen the profession and support the operator’s opinion that pilots need to “work their way up” to a real pilot job, then you are contributing to the problem.
If operators know they have a huge pool of these people to draw from in Canada, what incentive do they have for developing creative training schemes, or paying an entry level pilot for flying instead of cleaning? Not so much…..
The ex-Jetsgo pilots did a HUGE disservice to the industry by going beyond even prostitution and actually paying the employer for the privilege of working there. The truth hurts sometimes.
"Cowardly"? Hiding behind a user name? This is an anonymous forum. Most of us are aware of what that means and each of us is entitled to "hide" or expose ourselves. By calling me cowardly for posting anonymously, you are effectively calling the vast majority of pprune contributors including yourself "cowardly". Sort of an unjustified generalization don't you think?
Perhaps you should apologize…..
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Well then WestJet guys are just as guilty as they stay behind after the flight and help clean the cabin because "its good for the company" and they still get paid like sh*t.
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Coward only applies to those making statements they would not add their name to or say to someones face.
Thanfully most of us on here do not write anything we would not happily add our name to. Keep's it civilized.
You certainly seem hot and bothered with the pilot wages in Canada. So what is your solution? Co-ordinate a nation wide strike? Demanding better pay is easier said than done in the wake of 9/11, higher insurance rates, through the roof fuel prices and tonn's of unemployed pilots kicking around.
I repeat, it is the story of supply and demand. The supply has allways been a lot higher than the demand in Canada and allways will be with 250+ private flyingschools in addition to colleges, universities and the airforce. I agree that pilots that offer to work for free do not deserve to hold a license. Do not categorize me as one of them because I have never done it, but that is what you are doing, calling everyone a whore.
I think the only solution is for the government to tighten the noose on how many commercial licenses are issued annually, but then the flyingschools will scream bloody murder.
Thanfully most of us on here do not write anything we would not happily add our name to. Keep's it civilized.
You certainly seem hot and bothered with the pilot wages in Canada. So what is your solution? Co-ordinate a nation wide strike? Demanding better pay is easier said than done in the wake of 9/11, higher insurance rates, through the roof fuel prices and tonn's of unemployed pilots kicking around.
I repeat, it is the story of supply and demand. The supply has allways been a lot higher than the demand in Canada and allways will be with 250+ private flyingschools in addition to colleges, universities and the airforce. I agree that pilots that offer to work for free do not deserve to hold a license. Do not categorize me as one of them because I have never done it, but that is what you are doing, calling everyone a whore.
I think the only solution is for the government to tighten the noose on how many commercial licenses are issued annually, but then the flyingschools will scream bloody murder.
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Ah ah ah... limit the licence? that is funny
Why don't we limit drive licences too, the traffic kills me
Or maybe we should kill people over 65, there is no enogh family doctors...
What about, helping (tax cuts and incentives) companies that operate in safety, pass regular inspections, treat emplyees fairly? thet will expand eventually and here are more jobs!
And maybe help ****ty companies that cannot afford to buy fuel never the less pay employees go bancarupt? They will eventually close anyway.
Good comanies now have to compete with bad ones and that is unhealty for pilots, passengers and economy.
Why don't we limit drive licences too, the traffic kills me
Or maybe we should kill people over 65, there is no enogh family doctors...
What about, helping (tax cuts and incentives) companies that operate in safety, pass regular inspections, treat emplyees fairly? thet will expand eventually and here are more jobs!
And maybe help ****ty companies that cannot afford to buy fuel never the less pay employees go bancarupt? They will eventually close anyway.
Good comanies now have to compete with bad ones and that is unhealty for pilots, passengers and economy.
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Elitist? Not sure if you are grasping what I am saying. If you pass the aptitude test and meet all the psychological requirements there is nothing stopping you from entering the program. Like I said the banks will lend you the money. There are also people from Europe who take the route of getting their licenses in the USA and Canada and in that way try to break into the system. If you are that motivated, all the more power to you. I think it is only healthy to realize that you are fighting an uphill battle.
I think it is a good idea to give people a realistic picture about the venture they want to undertake. Being selective is a good thing in my opinion. I know that our profession is no longer held in any regard back in Canada, but it should at least rate up there with normal professional careers. Universities and colleges don’t let just anyone into the more lucrative study areas. Medicine, dentistry, engineering etc. The pre-screening happens in the grades that you get in high school, I think we can expect at least that much for our profession. Becoming a licensed pilot in Canada is also a sizable investment, with at the end of the rainbow very little reward. The system here in the Netherlands makes a lot more sense to me. You get a better product this way as well. Don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but it is the truth.
But it sounds like you have your mind set about how wonderful system is that we have. But remember it has produced the situation that we see in Canada now. Good luck to you.
Please keep the insults down to a dull roar. It does not make your points more relevant, it does the opposite.
I think it is a good idea to give people a realistic picture about the venture they want to undertake. Being selective is a good thing in my opinion. I know that our profession is no longer held in any regard back in Canada, but it should at least rate up there with normal professional careers. Universities and colleges don’t let just anyone into the more lucrative study areas. Medicine, dentistry, engineering etc. The pre-screening happens in the grades that you get in high school, I think we can expect at least that much for our profession. Becoming a licensed pilot in Canada is also a sizable investment, with at the end of the rainbow very little reward. The system here in the Netherlands makes a lot more sense to me. You get a better product this way as well. Don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but it is the truth.
But it sounds like you have your mind set about how wonderful system is that we have. But remember it has produced the situation that we see in Canada now. Good luck to you.
Please keep the insults down to a dull roar. It does not make your points more relevant, it does the opposite.
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OK…you called me a coward. Tell me who you are if you feel inclined.
I actually don’t really give a rat’s ass what pilots make. It really doesn’t affect me directly but I do have an opinion that you are free to ignore or comment on.
9/11 is the easy scapegoat that everyone uses. Funny how the oil industry doesn’t have a problem recovering. Their costs increased, and so did the price of oil. Most don’t even flinch while they fill up the SUV.
If the costs of doing business go up on a commodity that is in demand, why take it out on your employees? The logical thing to do is raise prices.
In my opinion, it all started when the industry was de-regulated. Before that, as a national flag carrier Air Canada didn’t care if they made a profit or not and other operators were able to set fares for reasonable profitability. I’m not saying that nobody went bankrupt in those days, because of course there are always other factors.
Following de-regulation, Air Canada spent the next couple of decades killing competition by offering seats below cost, eventually resulting in its bankruptcy. This scorched earth policy caused the competition to reduce costs. Some costs were reduced by increased efficiency and the balance was recovered by wage reduction. Of course, Air Canada management don't even know the meaing of "efficiency".
In a perfect and just world, Air Canada would have never emerged from bankruptcy and the remaining airlines (and some new ones) would raise fares to offset increased costs instead of punishing employees for working in the aviation industry. And we could have erased this sad era in Canadian aviation. The world isn’t perfect however, and Air Canada is back, debt fee and virtually unscathed.
Its pretty sad when some pilots make less than bus drivers, some AMEs make less than their car mechanics and some flight attendants make a lower hourly wage than the checker at Safeway. Of course that’s not the case with newly resurrected Air Canada.
Airfares need to rise to levels that would allow those in the aviation industry to make a good wage. With Air Canada around again with the same management that steered them into bankruptcy, and offered predatory pricing, that just isn’t going to happen. Especially with people keeping the 9/11 myth alive.
You certainly seem hot and bothered with the pilot wages in Canada. So what is your solution? Co-ordinate a nation wide strike?
Demanding better pay is easier said than done in the wake of 9/11, higher insurance rates, through the roof fuel prices and tonn's of unemployed pilots kicking around.
If the costs of doing business go up on a commodity that is in demand, why take it out on your employees? The logical thing to do is raise prices.
In my opinion, it all started when the industry was de-regulated. Before that, as a national flag carrier Air Canada didn’t care if they made a profit or not and other operators were able to set fares for reasonable profitability. I’m not saying that nobody went bankrupt in those days, because of course there are always other factors.
Following de-regulation, Air Canada spent the next couple of decades killing competition by offering seats below cost, eventually resulting in its bankruptcy. This scorched earth policy caused the competition to reduce costs. Some costs were reduced by increased efficiency and the balance was recovered by wage reduction. Of course, Air Canada management don't even know the meaing of "efficiency".
In a perfect and just world, Air Canada would have never emerged from bankruptcy and the remaining airlines (and some new ones) would raise fares to offset increased costs instead of punishing employees for working in the aviation industry. And we could have erased this sad era in Canadian aviation. The world isn’t perfect however, and Air Canada is back, debt fee and virtually unscathed.
Its pretty sad when some pilots make less than bus drivers, some AMEs make less than their car mechanics and some flight attendants make a lower hourly wage than the checker at Safeway. Of course that’s not the case with newly resurrected Air Canada.
Airfares need to rise to levels that would allow those in the aviation industry to make a good wage. With Air Canada around again with the same management that steered them into bankruptcy, and offered predatory pricing, that just isn’t going to happen. Especially with people keeping the 9/11 myth alive.
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I have nothing to hide and never made wrote anything that require hiding nor would i ever do. It is a matter of principal and character. I am starting to feel like broken record here but for the last time: I've been breaking my back for 12 years now, and I have been busy supprting/raising a family for the last 6. So when you call me a whore not only are you insulting me and my integrity but my family and all my friends in the Canadian Aviation industry that have been busting their chops beliving they are doing good for the future of their companies and their customers.
No doubt deregulation and predatory pricing did not help anyone the last few years, but working your way up the totem pole was hard in this country long before that happened and that is the subject at hand. I am no position to decide what a navajo or PC12 driver deserve. Deserve is a relative term. I do belive that the the starting salaries at the Airlines set the bar to a certain extent. The fact that you start at $34,000 at Jazz cetainly does not help anybody in the general aviation sector. How can you demand a lot for flying King Airs etc. when you get the above for flying a Dash 8 or an RJ. Who's fault is that? I don't know, I think it is a combination of many factors. It is certainly not just the pilots.
cplpilot,
So you think restricting # of licenses issued is funny? Well it is being done through reduced class sizes at government funded college/university programs. Like I said it is never going to happen because it would be impossible to establish a system fair to all private flyingschools.
No doubt deregulation and predatory pricing did not help anyone the last few years, but working your way up the totem pole was hard in this country long before that happened and that is the subject at hand. I am no position to decide what a navajo or PC12 driver deserve. Deserve is a relative term. I do belive that the the starting salaries at the Airlines set the bar to a certain extent. The fact that you start at $34,000 at Jazz cetainly does not help anybody in the general aviation sector. How can you demand a lot for flying King Airs etc. when you get the above for flying a Dash 8 or an RJ. Who's fault is that? I don't know, I think it is a combination of many factors. It is certainly not just the pilots.
cplpilot,
So you think restricting # of licenses issued is funny? Well it is being done through reduced class sizes at government funded college/university programs. Like I said it is never going to happen because it would be impossible to establish a system fair to all private flyingschools.
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STC,
I also apologize for calling you a coward. I still say it was unsportsmanlike conduct to call me a whore. For the most part all of us have the same or similar goals in life and get up and go to work for the same reasons, despite choosing from the endless number of paths available. There are things you can and cannot control in life and the canadian aviation industry standards, I will admit is one of the tougher ones. You can say what you want but the fact remains that me alone refusing all jobs in this country will not change a damn thing.
I also apologize for calling you a coward. I still say it was unsportsmanlike conduct to call me a whore. For the most part all of us have the same or similar goals in life and get up and go to work for the same reasons, despite choosing from the endless number of paths available. There are things you can and cannot control in life and the canadian aviation industry standards, I will admit is one of the tougher ones. You can say what you want but the fact remains that me alone refusing all jobs in this country will not change a damn thing.
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Didn't you used to work for Commando in Gimli? Yah. I guess you're right. You really have worked hard...
Seriously though, I think you're taking the "whore" thing a little too personal. It certainly was a generalization and it wasn't meant to attack any one person. However, if pilots are serious about improving things, every single one has to be committed to the cause.
If I said "99% of pilots are whores" then the vast majority of readers would place themselves in the 1% that aren't because it's human nature to take the easy "out" when offered rather than come to the realization that you are one of the 99% no matter the degree.
Didn't you used to work for Commando in Gimli? Yah. I guess you're right. You really have worked hard...
Seriously though, I think you're taking the "whore" thing a little too personal. It certainly was a generalization and it wasn't meant to attack any one person. However, if pilots are serious about improving things, every single one has to be committed to the cause.
If I said "99% of pilots are whores" then the vast majority of readers would place themselves in the 1% that aren't because it's human nature to take the easy "out" when offered rather than come to the realization that you are one of the 99% no matter the degree.