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Old 6th Feb 2011, 14:18
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By the same token, what interest would BA have to publicise what is, after all, an internal matter?
To show the fare-paying public and shareholders that BA are dealing with one of the root causes of the 'problem'? Signposting what will happen to all of a similar ilk to DH, that not turning up for the job you are paid to do does have consequences?
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Old 7th Feb 2011, 11:32
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Len McCluskey is going to be on the Daily Polotics show on BBC2 at 12 oclock tomorrow (Tuesday 8th).
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Old 7th Feb 2011, 13:01
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Len McCluskey is going to be on the Daily Polotics show on BBC2 at 12 oclock tomorrow (Tuesday 8th).
...by which time he will have only 3 days left to decide what to do with the latest ballot result, so this may actually be worth listening to.
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Old 7th Feb 2011, 14:55
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I reckon he'll just waffle on about how nasty BA management are, how they refuse to talk and how the law favours employers. I doubt he'll reveal any action by Unite because he knows BA have got Unites balls in a vice.
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Old 7th Feb 2011, 15:36
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I reckon he'll just waffle on about how nasty BA management are, how they refuse to talk and how the law favours employers.
Don't forget he'll also waffle on about:

1. The 'PCC' [sic] beacuse he doesn't know they are actually the PCCC!
2. The nasty, nasty BALPA and how he is going to drum them out of the TUC [bovverd?].
3. How his [rigged] survey shows 'overwhelming' evidence of bullying of employees at BA.
4. The 'overwhelming' [in truth, utterly underwhelming] ballot in favour of [mindless] strike action [which isn't even going to happen ....].

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Old 7th Feb 2011, 16:02
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I reckon he'll just waffle on
...so why not mail the show suggesting some questions they could ask him. I have.
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Old 7th Feb 2011, 21:57
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Interesting letter made an appearance in the CRC today, someone had left copies all over the baggage room! It was a copy of DH's letter from the 22nd Jan with a P.S. at the bottom re-iterating that all those who voted NO or who didn't support their (I quote) great branch secretary should FIFO or fit in or **** off. The funniest part was the typo quoting LM as saying that she had been approached by strikers for help in dealing with BA and had refused to help them! Obviously that should have read 'non-strikers' but it kept us entertained for a while! No signature but it included the PCCC website for anyone who wanted it! Was this really written by a BASSA supporter or was it a wind-up because it was almost too bad to be real?

On a lighter note, I heard today that my name is on THE list which is reassuring; I wouldn't want anyone to think I didn't come into work and one should always have one's name on a list!
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 07:12
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THE list
The thought of a list being collated of those who worked during the IA does make me chuckle!

What, exactly, is this list being used for and who is in possession? I can only conclude it will be used to intimidate ( just like the 'black list' that was being crowed about that BA apparently held of those who striked....).

And who is really that bothered who worked or not? Time to move on or move out.....
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 07:20
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Well it must be a very long list by now!!!There must have been well over 5000 that worked!!
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 09:51
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Oh dear

It looks like the natives are rising up here on cabincrew.com

Ben Ali, Mubarak..... Holley next?
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 10:20
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BASSA accounts

From another forum looks like "BASSA Limited" is a newly found company that is accountable for membership funds.

Accounts are not due until October 2012 according to Companies House.

Accountants Northover Bennett & Co in Eastleigh Hants is the registered address for this "new company" that was founded on 13th January 2011. Fishy.

BASSA members should be asking questions, I've just sent one myself to [email protected]. For starters I want to know where the accounts from previous years are kept.
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 12:17
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For starters I want to know where the accounts from previous years are kept.
In DH's greenhouse...
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 13:51
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BASSA Limited

From another forum looks like "BASSA Limited" is a newly found company that is accountable for membership funds.


A
company limited by guarantee is a company in which the liability of the members or subscribers of the company is limited to what they have invested or guaranteed to the company. It must include the suffix "Limited" in its name. The guarantors give an undertaking to contribute a nominal amount (typically very small) in the event of the winding up of the company.

In practice, this can be used as a device for protecting assets if there were to be a claim made against an organisation.

If the organisation consisted of two "limited" companies, one that dealt with the operations "Operations Ltd" and one that owned all the assets "Assets Ltd". If we had cause to claim against the "Operations Ltd"
with whom we had a contract and were successful in getting judgement, it would be possible that we would find that they actually owned very little and your claim would be worthless.

We could not look to "Assets Ltd" for payment as we did not have a contract with them.

How this does or does not relate to the formation of "BASSA Limited" I will leave up to you to draw your own conclusions.




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Old 8th Feb 2011, 14:04
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This saga gets more bizzare by the day!

BASSA is just a branch of Unite it is not an independant organisation. It isn't DH's plaything.

How on earth can the leadership of Unite let this kind of nonsense continue?

One thing that does come to mind - if BASSA Ltd comes into effect would BA have a legitimate reason to de-recognise it? they have a recognition agreement with Unite (TGWU) and Unite (Amicus) not a newly formed organisation BASSA Ltd.

I expect the BASSAmentalists will all be nodding in agreement with DH saying what a masterstroke this is...........
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 14:11
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NewsFlash...

Sky news saying Latest Ballot is invalid according to Unite... Re-ballot on its way...

You couldnt make this up...
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 14:25
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You couldnt make this up...
Well, BASSA and Unite do marvellous job when it comes to messing everything up!
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 14:34
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STATEMENT ON BRITISH AIRWAYS BALLOT

British Airways cabin crew voted last month overwhelmingly, and for the third time, to take industrial action against their employer on a number of issues relating to the company’s conduct of industrial relations.

It was further proof, if proof were needed, of the fact that management at this blue chip British company has completely lost the trust of thousands of their key staff - loyal, professional and customer-facing. In announcing the ballot result, Unite immediately appealed to management to meet the union for negotiations to resolve the outstanding issues which could have avoided any further disruption to the airline’s operations.

Since then, Unite has not heard a word from the company. There has not been the slightest flicker of interest from BA in holding talks to address the concerns of their own employees.

Instead, BA has launched a legal blitz against the independent scrutineer used to conduct this ballot, the Electoral Reform Society. This doubtless reflects BA’s decision to place its chief legal officer in charge of employee relations. While not addressing the union directly, BA advised the ERS that the ballot was unlawful and that any industrial action taken on the basis of it would be unprotected. This is merely an assertion by BA - however, the ERS decided, on the basis of protecting its own legal position, to issue a qualification in its official report on the industrial action ballot. Unite therefore cannot call industrial action based on this ballot, since such a move would expose our members to sanctions by a bullying employer.

However, if BA management believes that it can secure industrial harmony by these methods it is living in a fools’ paradise. Only negotiation, not litigation or intimidation, can place industrial relations on a sound footing and start to heal the wounds caused by this dispute.

BA cabin crew have repeatedly shown that they will not be browbeaten by bullying and legal intimidation. Unite is therefore immediately setting in hand preparations for a further industrial action ballot on the issues arising from management’s breach of agreements and policies of industrial intimidation, including amongst others the withdrawal of staff travel concessions, unjustified and draconian disciplinary sanctions against representatives and other members, the employment of strike-breaking cabin crew on different terms and conditions, the introduction of a new “mixed fleet” of crew again on different terms, and the intention to degrade union representation arrangements among cabin crew.

Failing a willingness by BA management to take its employment relations seriously and start negotiating, we would anticipate giving the company formal notice of this fresh ballot within the next ten days or so. BA management needs to understand that it will never break the spirit of cabin crew, and that customer uncertainty and confusion will continue until it starts listening to its staff.

Len McCluskey

General Secretary

Unite the union

February 8 2011
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 14:43
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Can any current BASSA member please confirm what their monthly subs to BASSA are and what services they receive for that amount?
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 14:43
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Unite is therefore immediately setting in hand preparations for a further industrial action ballot on the issues arising from management’s breach of agreements and policies of industrial intimidation, including amongst others the withdrawal of staff travel concessions, unjustified and draconian disciplinary sanctions against representatives and other members, the employment of strike-breaking cabin crew on different terms and conditions, the introduction of a new “mixed fleet” of crew again on different terms, and the intention to degrade union representation arrangements among cabin crew.
And so the pantomine continues!
Still, why would D.H want any settlement, it's certainly not in his interest.
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Old 8th Feb 2011, 14:50
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Unite is therefore immediately setting in hand preparations for a further industrial action ballot on the issues arising from management’s breach of agreements and policies of industrial intimidation, including amongst others the withdrawal of staff travel concessions
Strange but in the midst of last years strike action, Tony Woodly told Sky News that the strikes were about the loss of staff travel, amongst other things.

Its gonna be difficult for UNITE to find a unique issue that one or other of their officials has not mentioned during the strikes last year
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