British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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I have it typed up but am in two minds as to whether or not to post it
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Unite certainly seem to be doing a good job of trying to put down anyone who isn't a picket. Shame they aren't using this energy to represent their members properly. I was really appalled at what they implied. I wonder who will be next on their agenda. Is there anyone else left?
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What is it that makes striking employees (changed to "employees" as opposed to "crew" as this is probably the norm across all unionised workforces) more likely to bully and intimidate?! I know I won't engage in that sort of behaviour. And I know the absolute majority of my colleagues - regardless of their position - are the same.
Turin.......
yep, many left Unite including me a few years back over the Rimmergate affair .....
I think a lot of non CC BA employees are questioning why their union are supporting a section that are hell bent on destroying the airline ( as it turns out , all they are doing is self destructing , but that is not the point ) How could anyone be happy that their union dues are being squandered on fighting a un-winnable and lost casuse, and being distruibted to to very people who are causing this disruption is beyond me....
yep, many left Unite including me a few years back over the Rimmergate affair .....
I think a lot of non CC BA employees are questioning why their union are supporting a section that are hell bent on destroying the airline ( as it turns out , all they are doing is self destructing , but that is not the point ) How could anyone be happy that their union dues are being squandered on fighting a un-winnable and lost casuse, and being distruibted to to very people who are causing this disruption is beyond me....
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Unite's focus on Worldwide fleet
Viewfrom5Bells wrote:
I've looked at the C4 footage. The interviewer said: "You represent them [Gatwick crew] but you haven't carried them, they're going to work."
Boyd replied: "The thrust of the attack on our members from the company is concentrated on the worldwide fleet at Heathrow, and that's why we are doubling our efforts here at Heathrow today."
On Channel 4 news at 18:30 Bryan Boyd admitted that Gatwick is working normally with words to the effect that the main issues are at LHR and that LGW doesn't really matter
Boyd replied: "The thrust of the attack on our members from the company is concentrated on the worldwide fleet at Heathrow, and that's why we are doubling our efforts here at Heathrow today."
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Posted off my resignation from Unite today and am joining ALAE.
The last straw was Unite's remarks about ill maintained aircraft. I heard Gary Copeland was going to start legal action. Is that true or just a rumour?
The last straw was Unite's remarks about ill maintained aircraft. I heard Gary Copeland was going to start legal action. Is that true or just a rumour?
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http://www.bassa.co.uk/bassa/downloa...DFFile-842.pdf
Page 11
Access to Aircraft Type
Secure access for current crew on new aircraft types to ensure we are not left to simply wither on the vine… on an ageing fleet of old, broken, ill maintained aircraft. If British Airways wants to allocate all new A/C on a commercial cost basis, we all know exactly where that will be….New Fleet.
Was that the quote ?
Page 11
Access to Aircraft Type
Secure access for current crew on new aircraft types to ensure we are not left to simply wither on the vine… on an ageing fleet of old, broken, ill maintained aircraft. If British Airways wants to allocate all new A/C on a commercial cost basis, we all know exactly where that will be….New Fleet.
Was that the quote ?
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Employment income: strike pay from trade unions
Non taxable
NON BA STAFF OR CABING CREW SORRY,
Just providing LEGAL FACTS
Jack McHammocklashing
Non taxable
NON BA STAFF OR CABING CREW SORRY,
Just providing LEGAL FACTS
Jack McHammocklashing
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I don't blame BA for not investing in new planes as much as they maybe should.... The way some crew treat the aircraft astonishes me.
Why do people feel the need to write the aircraft reg scruffily all over the walls of the plane? And the type on bunks onboard (old or new)? And those Bassa stickers.... I've said it before; I appreciate that Bassa was trying to spread the word but these stickers encouraged vandalism. They were made deliberately difficult to remove.
Regardless of one's support for Bassa, it's difficult to see these stickers as anything but an eyesore.
Why do people feel the need to write the aircraft reg scruffily all over the walls of the plane? And the type on bunks onboard (old or new)? And those Bassa stickers.... I've said it before; I appreciate that Bassa was trying to spread the word but these stickers encouraged vandalism. They were made deliberately difficult to remove.
Regardless of one's support for Bassa, it's difficult to see these stickers as anything but an eyesore.
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Oh - and not sure if anyone is suing over the quote, but a full public retraction and apology has been demanded.
To be fair - the Engineering side of Unite were just as peeved about it apparently.
Another example of an ill thought-out, soundbite.
To be fair - the Engineering side of Unite were just as peeved about it apparently.
Another example of an ill thought-out, soundbite.
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New planes or old - makes no difference to how they are maintained Eddy.
To imply otherwise is astonishingly outrageous, not to mention insulting to the Engineers that work on them.
To imply otherwise is astonishingly outrageous, not to mention insulting to the Engineers that work on them.
This is part of the UNITE letter sent out to BA Engineers
Best I don't print what I really think of that. 
In the lead up to industrial action taking place a number of communications were circulated by Unite Cabin Crew Reps and BA management. These were attempts by both parties to state the positions they had adopted and explain the reasons why. Unfortunately one of the documents released by Unite made reference to existing Cabin Crew employees being left to operate"ageing and ill maintained aircraft" These comments were inconsiderate towards Unite Engineering members and at best misplaced. We personally have taken this up with your Cabin Crew colleagues and we understand that your Engineering Convenor Ian Kemp has invited Cabin Crew Reps to a future Unite Engineering Group meeting to discuss the detail of the document with Unite colleagues.
On a personal basis we want to assure you that the high standard of skill and quality our engineering members constantly exerise while contributing to the success of BA Engineering is something that this Union is proud of and we know you are. There was certainly no deliberate attempt to undermine your achievements in anyway. We do understand that it may have seemed like that, if so please accept our apologies.
This aside we have noted that in some E Mailed letters of complaint individuals have taken it upon themselves to include Senior BA Management in their list of recipients. We would ask you to refrain from this practice particularly at this difficult period as this may be used in a divisive and disingenuous manner. We also understand that some disenfranchised Unite members are actively encouraging membership of one of our affiliated sister trade unions, Prospect.While we have every respect for the work Prospect undertakes in a number of industries it has no collective bargaining rights within BA. We have spoken to our good colleagues on this matter who have given us assurances that this practice will stop forthwith. In fact the general secretary of Prospect has only last week sent a strong letter of solidarity to Unite wishing thec union success in resolving the current dispute.
We know that the unite national and regional officers have a very good relationship with our Senior Workplace Reps at BA engineering. A number of your reps are delegates to the new Regional and National industrial Senior Sector Committes with regular workplace visits taking place. We fully acknowledge the positive contribution Unite workplace Reps made during the recent negotiations to develop a single working agreement and consider our Aviation Engineering membership throughout the UK to be an integral part of the new Unite CAT structures. Please do not allow anyone to convince you otherwise. If there are occasions when you and your colleagues take issue with Unite we want you to discuss and resolve matters with your reps and full time officers.
On a personal basis we want to assure you that the high standard of skill and quality our engineering members constantly exerise while contributing to the success of BA Engineering is something that this Union is proud of and we know you are. There was certainly no deliberate attempt to undermine your achievements in anyway. We do understand that it may have seemed like that, if so please accept our apologies.
This aside we have noted that in some E Mailed letters of complaint individuals have taken it upon themselves to include Senior BA Management in their list of recipients. We would ask you to refrain from this practice particularly at this difficult period as this may be used in a divisive and disingenuous manner. We also understand that some disenfranchised Unite members are actively encouraging membership of one of our affiliated sister trade unions, Prospect.While we have every respect for the work Prospect undertakes in a number of industries it has no collective bargaining rights within BA. We have spoken to our good colleagues on this matter who have given us assurances that this practice will stop forthwith. In fact the general secretary of Prospect has only last week sent a strong letter of solidarity to Unite wishing thec union success in resolving the current dispute.
We know that the unite national and regional officers have a very good relationship with our Senior Workplace Reps at BA engineering. A number of your reps are delegates to the new Regional and National industrial Senior Sector Committes with regular workplace visits taking place. We fully acknowledge the positive contribution Unite workplace Reps made during the recent negotiations to develop a single working agreement and consider our Aviation Engineering membership throughout the UK to be an integral part of the new Unite CAT structures. Please do not allow anyone to convince you otherwise. If there are occasions when you and your colleagues take issue with Unite we want you to discuss and resolve matters with your reps and full time officers.
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May I refer you to post #427:
These people don't think/care about anyone other than themselves, and the power they desire to wield.
I like to say thanks to Tony Woodley and Derek Simpson for sending my late (ex engineer, deceased two years ago, retired from BA three years ago) father a letter apologising for their comments regarding 'BA's ill maintained aircraft'.
No wonder they can't organise a legitimate ballot.
No wonder they can't organise a legitimate ballot.
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By suggesting the BA fleet is poorly maintained is yet another piece of propoganda and just goes to show the depths the union have sunk to, not to mention is a slur on every person in maintenance. BA Engineering are world leaders in what they do and to question their professionalism is a disgrace. I just hope the engineers let their disgust be known to the union that is supposed to be representing their interests. That's right, the same union that is serving our cabin crew colleagues so well .......... and just to add insult to injury, they have the audacity to take your union subs for the 'service' they provide. Well, I guess they need to pay for the bouncy castles and trips to Bangkok somehow 
The union lies and mischief making is getting out of control and would be laughable if it wasn't so serious
The union lies and mischief making is getting out of control and would be laughable if it wasn't so serious
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To imply otherwise is astonishingly outrageous, not to mention insulting to the Engineers that work on them.
I don't think anyone was suggesting that any crew member gets on a plane and fears for his or her safety when getting on a jet. We wouldn't go if we did, afterall.
But you can look through the tech log and see problems that just don't seem to get fixed.
I don't blame the engineers for this - I'm sure time constraints are to blame - but "ill maintained" doesn't imply substandard performance on the part of our (amazing) engineers.