British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Locked door,
The taxman is well aware that cabin crew take allowances home with them. Tax is now paid on 59% of meal allowances (longhaul, not sure about the shorthaul tax rate), as HMRC know that on average only 41% of what is paid is actually used downroute.
You talk about living within your means, are you aware that the pre-allowance starting salary for cabin crew is £11k? It's accepted by all, inc BA and HMRC, that the allowances are used to supplement a very low basic.
The taxman is well aware that cabin crew take allowances home with them. Tax is now paid on 59% of meal allowances (longhaul, not sure about the shorthaul tax rate), as HMRC know that on average only 41% of what is paid is actually used downroute.
You talk about living within your means, are you aware that the pre-allowance starting salary for cabin crew is £11k? It's accepted by all, inc BA and HMRC, that the allowances are used to supplement a very low basic.
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On my last trip the CSD told me she worked, but the crew she striked. Same goes for most strike breakers. If they would just grow some balls the strikers would rapidly realise they're in the minority. But these are probably the same people who voted yes to a strike and then came to work, they only say what other people want to hear, not what they actually believe. No wonder BASSA think they can win an the company KNOW they can.
1,000 people at Bedfont doesn't mean 1,000 people on strike.
1,000 people in CRC, though, DOES mean 1,000 people going to work.
But of course, we wouldn't know how many of them are VCC (I still consider the temps showing up a boon for BA as I know many of them are unionised)
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They think its all over!
From EDDY
Excellent point. For us crew its natural to think me me me and take action but by not stepping back to see the Bigger picture you end up causing a catastophe.
I am Backing BA to defend what is left of our brand and image and because strikes do not work! Thats for starters
BASSA states better to die on your feet than crawl on your knees or somthing like that. Do me a favour? This is just a job and we can all take it or leave it. This whole civil rights/anti-aparthied fight facism agenda is a very bad and in poor taste joke.
How do married crew justify the importance of striking and bringing in no money to their partners whilst there are media images of partying, bouncy castles, summer dresses, BMW M3s, Pimms and Lager and sunbathing at strike HQ?
Its not my idea of industrial action.
So we had best leave meal allowances well out of any (public) discussion about our renumeration package, lest HMRC take another look at our money and try to take more from us.
As someone who tends to spend the majority of his meal allowances while down route (I didn't take this job to sit in my hotel room eating pot noodles), I've already taken a hit because of the obsession of some crew for taking meal allowances home as untaxed income.
As someone who tends to spend the majority of his meal allowances while down route (I didn't take this job to sit in my hotel room eating pot noodles), I've already taken a hit because of the obsession of some crew for taking meal allowances home as untaxed income.
I am Backing BA to defend what is left of our brand and image and because strikes do not work! Thats for starters
BASSA states better to die on your feet than crawl on your knees or somthing like that. Do me a favour? This is just a job and we can all take it or leave it. This whole civil rights/anti-aparthied fight facism agenda is a very bad and in poor taste joke.
How do married crew justify the importance of striking and bringing in no money to their partners whilst there are media images of partying, bouncy castles, summer dresses, BMW M3s, Pimms and Lager and sunbathing at strike HQ?
Its not my idea of industrial action.
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Chesh,
Do you really spend £150 on food on a JFK nightstop?
Eddy,
Don't think it's gonna make a difference to be honest, HMRC have all the info they need, don't think anything said here is going to affect how we're taxed.
Do you really spend £150 on food on a JFK nightstop?
Eddy,
Don't think it's gonna make a difference to be honest, HMRC have all the info they need, don't think anything said here is going to affect how we're taxed.
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Folks -
I'm the producer of the Channel 4 News report on the strike which was broadcast on Wednesday and discussed on this forum - the moderators have given me permission to post on this thread. There was a suggestion that the report wasn't balanced as we didn't talk to any non-striking cabin crew. This certainly wasn't for lack of trying, but we weren't able to persuade any non-striking crew to talk to us on or off camera. If anyone on either side of the debate does want to get in touch and share their views with me, I'd be very happy to hear from them - either through this website or at ben.king(at)itn.co.uk.
Thank you, and my apologies for interrupting your discussion!
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I'm the producer of the Channel 4 News report on the strike which was broadcast on Wednesday and discussed on this forum - the moderators have given me permission to post on this thread. There was a suggestion that the report wasn't balanced as we didn't talk to any non-striking cabin crew. This certainly wasn't for lack of trying, but we weren't able to persuade any non-striking crew to talk to us on or off camera. If anyone on either side of the debate does want to get in touch and share their views with me, I'd be very happy to hear from them - either through this website or at ben.king(at)itn.co.uk.
Thank you, and my apologies for interrupting your discussion!
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What I spend my allowances on is my business but my family survived on LGW single fleet allowances and LGW worldwide when all I got was 4 USA nightstops a month.
What I spend my allowances on is my business but my family survived on LGW single fleet allowances and LGW worldwide when all I got was 4 USA nightstops a month.
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Another good point EDDY
Hi dns, you're right - but my point is that talking about it so openly is going to do little other than entice HMRC to pay us another visit.
They seem okay with it why were BASSA against such a idea?
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So, where is the big announcement that several people have referred to and that was supposed to be today? Any news? Anybody?
PS, just returned from a night stop and on the way out the crew noticed that all oxygen bottles in the world traveller cabin had been emptied.
Some BASSA supporters will only learn the hard way.....
I simply can not begin to understand such stupid and dangerous action.
It reminds me of a vicious cornered animal that sees no way out....
PS, just returned from a night stop and on the way out the crew noticed that all oxygen bottles in the world traveller cabin had been emptied.
Some BASSA supporters will only learn the hard way.....
I simply can not begin to understand such stupid and dangerous action.
It reminds me of a vicious cornered animal that sees no way out....
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Hold the front page!
I'm the producer of the Channel 4 News report on the strike which was broadcast on Wednesday and discussed on this forum - the moderators have given me permission to post on this thread. There was a suggestion that the report wasn't balanced as we didn't talk to any non-striking cabin crew. This certainly wasn't for lack of trying, but we weren't able to persuade any non-striking crew to talk to us on or off camera. If anyone on either side of the debate does want to get in touch and share their views with me, I'd be very happy to hear from them - either through this website or at ben.king(at)itn.co.uk.
Thank you, and my apologies for interrupting your discussion!
Thank you, and my apologies for interrupting your discussion!
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Look Chest01, DNS and Eddy,
I think by reading your posts you all backed BA.
I think you are all actually of a similar mindset to each other, so it seems strange watching you all nit picking over spending or not spending allowances.
The allowance system is not a good system . On eurofleet it makes up a very large part of our take home pay and on WW it is very diffferent because OT and box payments are greater. As such we are both taxed differently. BA are very unlikely to put it into our basics because it will cost them more in national insurane so it is probably best to leave it at that.
Just don't like seeing nice people arguing over nothing.
I think by reading your posts you all backed BA.
I think you are all actually of a similar mindset to each other, so it seems strange watching you all nit picking over spending or not spending allowances.
The allowance system is not a good system . On eurofleet it makes up a very large part of our take home pay and on WW it is very diffferent because OT and box payments are greater. As such we are both taxed differently. BA are very unlikely to put it into our basics because it will cost them more in national insurane so it is probably best to leave it at that.
Just don't like seeing nice people arguing over nothing.
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Originally Posted by dns
Don't think it's gonna make a difference to be honest, HMRC have all the info they need, don't think anything said here is going to affect how we're taxed.
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Ben:
I don't know if you have had the time or inclination to trawl through this massive thread. There is a post #4891 (11th June) by BlueUpGood, which has been recognised by many as the most articulate and succinct summary of the situation. If you have not already seen it, it is worth a read.
I don't know if you have had the time or inclination to trawl through this massive thread. There is a post #4891 (11th June) by BlueUpGood, which has been recognised by many as the most articulate and succinct summary of the situation. If you have not already seen it, it is worth a read.
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Eddy and Locked Door
Meal allowances were introduced in the early 70's. This was a time of government wage freezes and it was a way of ensuring that then lowly paid cabin crew could get an increase. They were to ensure that crew could, be prefunded in cash in local currency to, support themselves downroute and get a 'pay rise' at the same time. Initially they were tax free.
The introduction suited both the employer and employees. The airline would quote these allowances, in full, as part of earnings when crew were applying for a mortgage.
The system has evolved over time with allowances being frozen during at least one cost cutting round ('Bridging the Gap', if memory serves me), income tax being introduced on them and increased on at least two occasions. I believe that the company still quotes them for mortgage purposes, as well as highlighting them in recruitment programmes.
So they clearly are part of our earnings!
A very wise man once said 'know your history or you may as well have been born yesterday'
The introduction suited both the employer and employees. The airline would quote these allowances, in full, as part of earnings when crew were applying for a mortgage.
The system has evolved over time with allowances being frozen during at least one cost cutting round ('Bridging the Gap', if memory serves me), income tax being introduced on them and increased on at least two occasions. I believe that the company still quotes them for mortgage purposes, as well as highlighting them in recruitment programmes.
So they clearly are part of our earnings!
A very wise man once said 'know your history or you may as well have been born yesterday'
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I am sorry to disagree with you Jock, but we (FC & CC) had allowances in BOAC / BEA long before the 70's. What happened in the 70's was the use of allowances to put more money in crew's pockets at times of government mandated pay freezes.
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Surely the whole crux of this thread is that it is impossible to live in the 70's and 80's in the current climate.
The wage freezes of the 70's are long, long gone.
HMRC looks at allowances based upon the current taxation system, not that developed when the allowances were introduced. The meal allowance is, as far as HMRC is concerned, expected to be spent abroad under various local tax rules thus taxed at a sepreate rate in the UK.
Good or bad the system affords the employer to pay less pension contribution (only basic is pensionable) and the employee to pay less tax. Our recent 'trial' showed how interested HMRC is in clawing back external, overseas payments.
As to using it to assess mortgage viability I seem to remember that it does state 'variable' pay in the letter. With the lax lending of the past decade there may well be many who find themselves ina sticky situation at the moment. That is, however, personal choice. Thus if an employee chooses to extend mortagages/debts to rely upon a payment that may or may not be there it is their own choice and not one for others. If you can only eat pot noodles then that is, sadly, the result of your own decisions.
Always live within your means with an eye to changes in the future.
The wage freezes of the 70's are long, long gone.
HMRC looks at allowances based upon the current taxation system, not that developed when the allowances were introduced. The meal allowance is, as far as HMRC is concerned, expected to be spent abroad under various local tax rules thus taxed at a sepreate rate in the UK.
Good or bad the system affords the employer to pay less pension contribution (only basic is pensionable) and the employee to pay less tax. Our recent 'trial' showed how interested HMRC is in clawing back external, overseas payments.
As to using it to assess mortgage viability I seem to remember that it does state 'variable' pay in the letter. With the lax lending of the past decade there may well be many who find themselves ina sticky situation at the moment. That is, however, personal choice. Thus if an employee chooses to extend mortagages/debts to rely upon a payment that may or may not be there it is their own choice and not one for others. If you can only eat pot noodles then that is, sadly, the result of your own decisions.
Always live within your means with an eye to changes in the future.
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The world still turns...
Source: British Airways to offer intra-US business jet connections
Looks like BA is planning for it's future. Wonder what BASSA are doing?
British Airways is opening an exclusive business-jet service in North America to give premium customers onward access to destinations within the USA and other parts of the continent.
The airline is establishing the service, designated PrivateConnect, in partnership with Cessna division CitationAir.
BA says the service will operate on an instantaneous pay-per-trip basis, taking advantage of a fleet of business aircraft.
Director of strategy Robert Boyle says the scheme illustrates the carrier's "dedication to flying our customers in style", adding that they will be able to avoid up-front jet hire charges and other long-term commitments.
Passengers will be able to book a private jet and travel straight away. As well as airports in the mainland USA, the range of destinations will include points in the Caribbean, southern Canada and Mexico.
CitationAir's fleet includes a range of types from the six-seat Citation CJ3 to the nine-seat Sovereign.
BA says it will offer a chauffeured car to customers transferring from its regular network service to a PrivateConnect flight.
It also points out that customers will be able simply to use the service to fly between two points in North America, without a transfer.
"Our focus is to align with like-minded, world-class organisations that share our passion for excellence and our high standards for extraordinary customer experience," says CitationAir chief Steve O'Neill.
German flag-carrier Lufthansa offers a similar service, Lufthansa Private Jet, giving customers the option of connecting between the carrier's hubs and destinations of their choice in Europe.
The airline is establishing the service, designated PrivateConnect, in partnership with Cessna division CitationAir.
BA says the service will operate on an instantaneous pay-per-trip basis, taking advantage of a fleet of business aircraft.
Director of strategy Robert Boyle says the scheme illustrates the carrier's "dedication to flying our customers in style", adding that they will be able to avoid up-front jet hire charges and other long-term commitments.
Passengers will be able to book a private jet and travel straight away. As well as airports in the mainland USA, the range of destinations will include points in the Caribbean, southern Canada and Mexico.
CitationAir's fleet includes a range of types from the six-seat Citation CJ3 to the nine-seat Sovereign.
BA says it will offer a chauffeured car to customers transferring from its regular network service to a PrivateConnect flight.
It also points out that customers will be able simply to use the service to fly between two points in North America, without a transfer.
"Our focus is to align with like-minded, world-class organisations that share our passion for excellence and our high standards for extraordinary customer experience," says CitationAir chief Steve O'Neill.
German flag-carrier Lufthansa offers a similar service, Lufthansa Private Jet, giving customers the option of connecting between the carrier's hubs and destinations of their choice in Europe.
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I don't know if you have had the time or inclination to trawl through this massive thread. There is a post #4891 (11th June) by BlueUpGood, which has been recognised by many as the most articulate and succinct summary of the situation. If you have not already seen it, it is worth a read.
Hi Fabio,
Welcome to the debate - it's always good to hear a new opinion. Can I offer you another perspective on all of this? If one listens to what BASSA has to say, then the CC have been bullied, harassed, victimised, etc etc. Fabio, can you give evidence of your mistreatment? I accept your argument that withdrawing staff travel can be seen as singling out those who chose to strike, and I think it is reasonable to want to contest this. However that is the nature of industrial disputes, and BASSA would have been more responsible if they had warned you of the realities, rather than tell you BA can't do it. They can, and they have, and that part of the dispute will run it's course. But bullying? Harassment? I see no evidence of it on the part of BA. Indeed I would suggest BA have been immensely patient, whilst BASSA have frankly prevaricated and denied reality , and in the process done you and your colleagues a huge disservice.
It is clearly stated in your contract of employment that contact with the media must have the approval of BA. It's the same in every PLC across the land. That doesn't mean BA are trying to harass or gag you, and before the dispute did anyone give that clause in your contract a second thought? No, but BASSA are trying to subvert BA in every way possible, and frankly their claims don't add up.
Fabio, you may have read about some unfortunate comments by BA pilots in the papers. They are now suspended, and are in the disciplinary process that is clearly set out in BA's employment guidlines. There are also CC members in the same process, for other misdemeanors, some with a criminal investigation likely to follow. Are the BA pilots being bullied too? Can you explain why it is ok for UNITE to demand the cases against CC be dropped, but not those against the pilots? Can you tell me why UNITE don't want to follow the disciplinary process that they themselves signed up to before this dispute? Why was it ok a couple of years ago, but not now? Disciplinaries have been taking place for years, over all sorts of allegations. The vast majority find no case to answer, or a chat with a manager for a minor indiscretion. If you push your luck and bring the company into disrepute, or are willfully negligent, then you could be sacked, but the process has been deemed to be fair by UNITE.
I assume you have been absent from work on strike days Fabio. I'd like to tell you this, and I mean it with all sincerity, and without bias.. I have talked to many crew who also exercised their democratic right - the right not to go on strike. They are all concerned, some are terrified of the strikers. They are receiving threats of damage to cars, revelations of private matters to partners, exclusion onboard and down route, having their meals tampered with, being called scum and scab etc etc. THIS IS bullying and harassment. THIS IS against BA policy, and SHOULD be the subject of disciplinary action against the perpetrators.
Fabio if you want fairness, could I ask you to consider this. Every other department in BA has made a significant contribution to the undeniable crisis the company is in. Staff across the airline have changed working practices, taken pay cuts, lost T&C's etc. Permanently. Period. BASSA will tell you otherwise, but it's undeniable fact, and if you are in doubt, then why not ask a TRC how their life has changed in the last few years. Or a CSA. Or (heaven forbid) a pilot, or tug driver, bus driver, manager (those that are still here) etc. They will ALL tell you of significant change. Unfortunately the CC (or should I say BASSA) think they are a special case, and this doesn't apply to them, and instead of making small changes that could have been satisfactory to everyone, they have instead cost the company £120m, destroyed our reputation, driven customers away, and caused great upheaval and further loss of earnings to all those who have already given their share to get BA on track again. Is that fair?
Finally, I would ask you consider this. BA is one of the most unionized businesses in the country. Every department is strongly represented, mostly by UNITE. I find it extraordinary that BASSA's actions have been willfully undermined by staff from across the airline. Not just pilots, as BASSA and UNITE love to claim, but by UNITE members.. in their thousands. Fabio can you explain why? Willie Walsh can't MAKE these union oriented individuals volunteer. They have decided to do it themselves. To subvert industrial action by members of their own union. Why Fabio? May I suggest it is because they see BASSA's expectations as way beyond reasonable? Because they recognize the plight of the company, and have done their bit? Because they don't want to see BASSA hold a gun to BA's head for ever and a day? Because, like Willie Walsh, the board of directors, the shareholders (who stated their support of WW today), and believe it or not many of our passengers, they want to ensure that BASSA don't get away with stamping their feet, and getting their own way yet again. It's far too serious for ego-centric selfish protectionism.
Fabio, as you are a first time poster here I hope I haven't been too harsh or dogmatic in my comments. I hope to show you another point of view from that repeated endlessly by BASSA. I would strongly urge any genuine ordinary CC member who has put their trust in BASSA to find out for themselves the truth of the situation. Ask questions of others. Be open to another point of view. Pause to consider why events have played out as they have. If at the end of the process you still stand with BASSA then fair enough.
Welcome to the debate - it's always good to hear a new opinion. Can I offer you another perspective on all of this? If one listens to what BASSA has to say, then the CC have been bullied, harassed, victimised, etc etc. Fabio, can you give evidence of your mistreatment? I accept your argument that withdrawing staff travel can be seen as singling out those who chose to strike, and I think it is reasonable to want to contest this. However that is the nature of industrial disputes, and BASSA would have been more responsible if they had warned you of the realities, rather than tell you BA can't do it. They can, and they have, and that part of the dispute will run it's course. But bullying? Harassment? I see no evidence of it on the part of BA. Indeed I would suggest BA have been immensely patient, whilst BASSA have frankly prevaricated and denied reality , and in the process done you and your colleagues a huge disservice.
It is clearly stated in your contract of employment that contact with the media must have the approval of BA. It's the same in every PLC across the land. That doesn't mean BA are trying to harass or gag you, and before the dispute did anyone give that clause in your contract a second thought? No, but BASSA are trying to subvert BA in every way possible, and frankly their claims don't add up.
Fabio, you may have read about some unfortunate comments by BA pilots in the papers. They are now suspended, and are in the disciplinary process that is clearly set out in BA's employment guidlines. There are also CC members in the same process, for other misdemeanors, some with a criminal investigation likely to follow. Are the BA pilots being bullied too? Can you explain why it is ok for UNITE to demand the cases against CC be dropped, but not those against the pilots? Can you tell me why UNITE don't want to follow the disciplinary process that they themselves signed up to before this dispute? Why was it ok a couple of years ago, but not now? Disciplinaries have been taking place for years, over all sorts of allegations. The vast majority find no case to answer, or a chat with a manager for a minor indiscretion. If you push your luck and bring the company into disrepute, or are willfully negligent, then you could be sacked, but the process has been deemed to be fair by UNITE.
I assume you have been absent from work on strike days Fabio. I'd like to tell you this, and I mean it with all sincerity, and without bias.. I have talked to many crew who also exercised their democratic right - the right not to go on strike. They are all concerned, some are terrified of the strikers. They are receiving threats of damage to cars, revelations of private matters to partners, exclusion onboard and down route, having their meals tampered with, being called scum and scab etc etc. THIS IS bullying and harassment. THIS IS against BA policy, and SHOULD be the subject of disciplinary action against the perpetrators.
Fabio if you want fairness, could I ask you to consider this. Every other department in BA has made a significant contribution to the undeniable crisis the company is in. Staff across the airline have changed working practices, taken pay cuts, lost T&C's etc. Permanently. Period. BASSA will tell you otherwise, but it's undeniable fact, and if you are in doubt, then why not ask a TRC how their life has changed in the last few years. Or a CSA. Or (heaven forbid) a pilot, or tug driver, bus driver, manager (those that are still here) etc. They will ALL tell you of significant change. Unfortunately the CC (or should I say BASSA) think they are a special case, and this doesn't apply to them, and instead of making small changes that could have been satisfactory to everyone, they have instead cost the company £120m, destroyed our reputation, driven customers away, and caused great upheaval and further loss of earnings to all those who have already given their share to get BA on track again. Is that fair?
Finally, I would ask you consider this. BA is one of the most unionized businesses in the country. Every department is strongly represented, mostly by UNITE. I find it extraordinary that BASSA's actions have been willfully undermined by staff from across the airline. Not just pilots, as BASSA and UNITE love to claim, but by UNITE members.. in their thousands. Fabio can you explain why? Willie Walsh can't MAKE these union oriented individuals volunteer. They have decided to do it themselves. To subvert industrial action by members of their own union. Why Fabio? May I suggest it is because they see BASSA's expectations as way beyond reasonable? Because they recognize the plight of the company, and have done their bit? Because they don't want to see BASSA hold a gun to BA's head for ever and a day? Because, like Willie Walsh, the board of directors, the shareholders (who stated their support of WW today), and believe it or not many of our passengers, they want to ensure that BASSA don't get away with stamping their feet, and getting their own way yet again. It's far too serious for ego-centric selfish protectionism.
Fabio, as you are a first time poster here I hope I haven't been too harsh or dogmatic in my comments. I hope to show you another point of view from that repeated endlessly by BASSA. I would strongly urge any genuine ordinary CC member who has put their trust in BASSA to find out for themselves the truth of the situation. Ask questions of others. Be open to another point of view. Pause to consider why events have played out as they have. If at the end of the process you still stand with BASSA then fair enough.
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Unites Latest
A recent document on the unite website!
I am astonished at how dangerous and nasty Unite have become, this is beyond industrial action now and needs to be stopped immediately.
Unite say:
“so stay professional, show them where the loo is, give them a sick bag if
the weather is bad, cover your doors, and ignore them.”
and
“treat these strike breakers as
passengers - not colleagues”
Well if that’s how unites perception of Customer Care/Safety, how do they ever expect to be taken seriously?
. WEBSITE FRONT PAGE
I am astonished at how dangerous and nasty Unite have become, this is beyond industrial action now and needs to be stopped immediately.
Unite say:
“so stay professional, show them where the loo is, give them a sick bag if
the weather is bad, cover your doors, and ignore them.”
and
“treat these strike breakers as
passengers - not colleagues”
Well if that’s how unites perception of Customer Care/Safety, how do they ever expect to be taken seriously?
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Nice one from the newly resurfaced Len McKlunky:
So, who posted the Youtube video about 'No Negotiation' again? Does Unite actually know the meaning of the word 'compromise'?
Is that the bunker mentality that suggests strike action be postponed whilst the Union (BASSA) refuses to negotiate until their demands for ST and re-instatement (even though Duncan Holleys case was thrown out of the tribunal) are met in full?
Coming from the Union leader who, almost single handedly (with a little help from Derek Hatton) destroyed the UK docks industry. BA discloses all passenger and freight information as revenue per passenger mile. The city and the major investors get to see everything. I'm not so sure the Unite headquarters are on that distribution list. But then as the potential leader of Unite, McKlunky would know all this.
BA haven't, they have (to the investors) and they do (the investors) know exactly what the short term costs are and, much more importantly, what the long term savings will be.
Isn't it odd that BA's shares have remained releatively stable?
Rhetoric? Fantastic.
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']Len McCluskey said:
"Comments about "holding out" for as long as it takes against the
workforce should cause despair among BA board and shareholders. While
Unite views this as a process where both parties must compromise, BA's CEO
prefers to see this as a siege against his own workforce.
"This bunker mentality suggests that the true objective is not cutting
costs, but crushing the workforce.
"Talking tough will not help find peace."
[/FONT]
"Comments about "holding out" for as long as it takes against the
workforce should cause despair among BA board and shareholders. While
Unite views this as a process where both parties must compromise, BA's CEO
prefers to see this as a siege against his own workforce.
"This bunker mentality suggests that the true objective is not cutting
costs, but crushing the workforce.
"Talking tough will not help find peace."
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This bunker mentality
[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']The question shareholders and the City must ask themselves is, not how
many planes took off, but how many passengers actually flew on BA flights?
Planes were empty because passengers were enjoying the hospitality of
competitors - and BA paid them for the privilege. The jewel in BA's
crown, Terminal 5, has taken a heavy hit as there are no passengers to
enjoy the shop. And forward bookings are taking a huge hit as passengers
reject Willie Walsh's vision for BA.
"This is not successful contingency planning, this is ruination.
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many planes took off, but how many passengers actually flew on BA flights?
Planes were empty because passengers were enjoying the hospitality of
competitors - and BA paid them for the privilege. The jewel in BA's
crown, Terminal 5, has taken a heavy hit as there are no passengers to
enjoy the shop. And forward bookings are taking a huge hit as passengers
reject Willie Walsh's vision for BA.
"This is not successful contingency planning, this is ruination.
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[FONT='Calibri','sans-serif']If BA had nothing to hide, then they should throw open their books and
show exactly what this cost. The City must wise up to the BA con trick,"
he added. [/FONT]
show exactly what this cost. The City must wise up to the BA con trick,"
he added. [/FONT]
Isn't it odd that BA's shares have remained releatively stable?
Rhetoric? Fantastic.