British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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BA have never had a management team with the balls or the mandate to do what they want. Until now.
If they publish October rosters using new crew complements what are you going to do? Just not turn up and get sacked?
If they publish October rosters using new crew complements what are you going to do? Just not turn up and get sacked?
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LOL Yes, maybe but don't underestimate the cabin crew with balls too. 
I am afraid the management still have little balls and it will take a lot for them to break our agreements. Anyway, BA themselves have said the delay in Oct rosters is to do with VR not imposition.
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Yes, FC, but BASSA have said three days ago that the October rosters for Worldwide will be delayed because once they are published with a reduced crewing level imposition will have taken place.
So who's telling the truth?
So who's telling the truth?
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BA themselves have said the delay in Oct rosters is to do with VR not imposition.
The 2000 reduction only applies if there is a reduction in crew complements
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Well lets see now....
BA management have the full support of the board and the city, with banks ready to lend billions if costs are brought under control.
Cc have the patience of their bank managers as their overdrafts get larger during a recession and a credit crunch, with the real possibility that the account holder will lose their job if they refuse to go to work.
I know who my money is on......
BA management have the full support of the board and the city, with banks ready to lend billions if costs are brought under control.
Cc have the patience of their bank managers as their overdrafts get larger during a recession and a credit crunch, with the real possibility that the account holder will lose their job if they refuse to go to work.
I know who my money is on......
I know it's a difficult thing for some to understand but I think most of the pilots were pretty aware that BA shares aren't going to rocket any time soon, with or without Cabin crew action. Some would say the pilots' behavour could be explained by their rational analysis of the business state of the Company, others will put it down to greed......hey ,ho.
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impact of crew on passengers
Im a frequent flyer, I generally use turkish airlines (EXCELLENT)or ryanair, but often BA too, on my last BA flight (TO ATHENS) I couldnt help but notice how fed up and terse the crew were.I heard the crew complaining and rolling their eyes, I really think that your recent problems have impacted on the onboard service and that even ryanair for all their faults are providing a better customer service now than british airways at present. You never get the staff there being rude, harried yes, but never irritated and seeming to feel that customer service is an impostion. I check this board before I book my flights and the BASSA 110 % stuff just makes me choose another airline, the disregard to customers, who you describe as self loading freight appals me. I know that many BA crew are keen for the company to do well but the comments from flying chick and mandy , poof in boots, do not inspire customers to come back to the national flyer, apologies to all the hardworking crew who are undermined by these vocal view who are driving away business
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omg seriously wow.
Continue to fly Turkish and Ryan Air. I mean you know best on that long long flight to Athens jezz. 14,000 cabin crew are like 14,000 people none will be the same each have their own minds and are different opinions. It is almost impossible for you to base the service on one short flight to the service of the hundreds that depart from T5 daily. But im sure your comparision to Ryan Air is spot on and very fair.
Im sure hundreds and thousands would disagree with you. Seriously i have been following this forum and ever so often you get some random comment like the that which means little at all. You are not crew but are entitled to your opinion but not when your opinion is ridiculous with a comparison like that. Oh i know the service at Nobu in London was terrible but the girl at Mc Donalds took my order with a smile on her face and was more sincere, i know who can have my business.
God! Seriously! Wow!
Back to the topic. Save your random talk for skytrax or some airline trip review site.
Continue to fly Turkish and Ryan Air. I mean you know best on that long long flight to Athens jezz. 14,000 cabin crew are like 14,000 people none will be the same each have their own minds and are different opinions. It is almost impossible for you to base the service on one short flight to the service of the hundreds that depart from T5 daily. But im sure your comparision to Ryan Air is spot on and very fair.
Im sure hundreds and thousands would disagree with you. Seriously i have been following this forum and ever so often you get some random comment like the that which means little at all. You are not crew but are entitled to your opinion but not when your opinion is ridiculous with a comparison like that. Oh i know the service at Nobu in London was terrible but the girl at Mc Donalds took my order with a smile on her face and was more sincere, i know who can have my business.
God! Seriously! Wow!
Back to the topic. Save your random talk for skytrax or some airline trip review site.
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Sweet Chariot XV, Your post is ridiculous. Like I said no one person is the same you need to accept that. If some are willing to take cuts and some are not that’s the way it goes. Get over it! That’s why there is a union and that’s why people are individuals they all have their own opinons and beliefs on the matter.
I also believe someone else posted that would try their best to secure as much of their old T&C’s as possible. What is wrong with that? Even in this bad economic climate? Good for them I say. If it means threatening to strike so be it. The fact is many have saved perks and pay over the years, good for them. I have other friends who are cabin crew for many different airlines and all would love to work for BA. I find the ones that who say things like you are the ones desperate to join.
Also my presumption that PeterLondon has only flown to Athens was on the basis his post only mentioned Athens. So if he did a 12 hour flight to Hong Kong and the crew were amazing why did he not mention that then. People love to get onto the negative that was my point. And my other point was don’t base your opinion on one very short flight as opposed to a very long one.
Oh an nevertheless you have flown BA many times blah blah blah I work for Emirates. Really who cares? Why are you even comparing a middle eastern airlines over a European airlines. You do realise labour laws change all over the world. My good friend from my old work place works for Emirates and she says she loves it but is very overworked, but you were aware of that when you started! Its like someone working for Virgin and then saying “Oh what I thought I was getting paid £3000 a month” I think if you don’t like it leave. Oh for the record my friend is in the hold pool waiting to get BA kind of sums up my point.
And following this forum? REALLY? Wow you placed in a long line of posters such as pib, flying chick etc etc etc. Maybe if you were able to read or go back on the forum you would find I posted once yes ONCE! And it had little do with the topic. Also I am not BA Crew! I am in the ‘HOLD POOL’ waiting for training.
I can wait 18 months and I don’t care. Its important that when I start I wont be on a completely different contract and will still be treated the same as current crew. They should fight for what they can and if it means waiting so be it. I applied to what I consider the best airlines flying out of lhr in the uk and I got it. If it means waiting for them to sort things out and have worries over strikes then so be it! People should fight for what they can.
I am not denying cuts need to be made but the point is if you don’t put up a fight then we all will be on the same salaries across airlines which is not how the world works. What would be the point in being with BA if you can get the same salary at Ryan Air.
I will wait for the back lash to begin. So many people most and moan etc etc etc. Worry about your own jobs and what you will do and not what others. If you do not agree with one persons opinion then you don’t. Everyone is different!!!!
I also believe someone else posted that would try their best to secure as much of their old T&C’s as possible. What is wrong with that? Even in this bad economic climate? Good for them I say. If it means threatening to strike so be it. The fact is many have saved perks and pay over the years, good for them. I have other friends who are cabin crew for many different airlines and all would love to work for BA. I find the ones that who say things like you are the ones desperate to join.
Also my presumption that PeterLondon has only flown to Athens was on the basis his post only mentioned Athens. So if he did a 12 hour flight to Hong Kong and the crew were amazing why did he not mention that then. People love to get onto the negative that was my point. And my other point was don’t base your opinion on one very short flight as opposed to a very long one.
Oh an nevertheless you have flown BA many times blah blah blah I work for Emirates. Really who cares? Why are you even comparing a middle eastern airlines over a European airlines. You do realise labour laws change all over the world. My good friend from my old work place works for Emirates and she says she loves it but is very overworked, but you were aware of that when you started! Its like someone working for Virgin and then saying “Oh what I thought I was getting paid £3000 a month” I think if you don’t like it leave. Oh for the record my friend is in the hold pool waiting to get BA kind of sums up my point.
And following this forum? REALLY? Wow you placed in a long line of posters such as pib, flying chick etc etc etc. Maybe if you were able to read or go back on the forum you would find I posted once yes ONCE! And it had little do with the topic. Also I am not BA Crew! I am in the ‘HOLD POOL’ waiting for training.
I can wait 18 months and I don’t care. Its important that when I start I wont be on a completely different contract and will still be treated the same as current crew. They should fight for what they can and if it means waiting so be it. I applied to what I consider the best airlines flying out of lhr in the uk and I got it. If it means waiting for them to sort things out and have worries over strikes then so be it! People should fight for what they can.
I am not denying cuts need to be made but the point is if you don’t put up a fight then we all will be on the same salaries across airlines which is not how the world works. What would be the point in being with BA if you can get the same salary at Ryan Air.
I will wait for the back lash to begin. So many people most and moan etc etc etc. Worry about your own jobs and what you will do and not what others. If you do not agree with one persons opinion then you don’t. Everyone is different!!!!
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SWEET CHARIOT.
Don't you dare assume I have an attitude because I am prepared to stand up and fight for my FUTURE. I am not ignorant to the outside world my sister is a graduate and two months of unemployment found a job in marketing at £26 starting salary. My uncle from Spain, was unemployed and he starts a new job in a call centre at £9 ph doing marketing in Spainish and Italian in London. He speaks English but quite broken and doesn't care what he does whist he studies too. Things are not great I know, we all know that but it really isn't that bad either. BA could have been honest with us, asked us nicely to help during a recession instead it has been all lies, and an attack on our terms and conditions.
In the not so distant future when BA are making huge profits we will be working for less and working harder too. I don't think so and I don't care about the pilots deal either. We are not going to be bullied and intimidated by greedy pilots.
I don't care about the pilots deal because it is all about that really isn't it. If we accept you get your cushy number.
We will fight, and we will win.
My attitide is not a bad one, I work hard at work. You don't know me or what I am like with passengers and colleagues.
Don't you dare assume I have an attitude because I am prepared to stand up and fight for my FUTURE. I am not ignorant to the outside world my sister is a graduate and two months of unemployment found a job in marketing at £26 starting salary. My uncle from Spain, was unemployed and he starts a new job in a call centre at £9 ph doing marketing in Spainish and Italian in London. He speaks English but quite broken and doesn't care what he does whist he studies too. Things are not great I know, we all know that but it really isn't that bad either. BA could have been honest with us, asked us nicely to help during a recession instead it has been all lies, and an attack on our terms and conditions.
In the not so distant future when BA are making huge profits we will be working for less and working harder too. I don't think so and I don't care about the pilots deal either. We are not going to be bullied and intimidated by greedy pilots.
I don't care about the pilots deal because it is all about that really isn't it. If we accept you get your cushy number.
We will fight, and we will win.
My attitide is not a bad one, I work hard at work. You don't know me or what I am like with passengers and colleagues.
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Flying Chick
- Brilliant!
BKS
I can almost 100% promise you that you will be on worse T's & C's, and you will be treated differently. BASSA will sell you down the river without even batting an eyelid, and if you don't think that is the case, look at 'old contract', 'new contract', 'Gatwick' and 'SFG'. BASSA high command will do all it can to keep old contract CSDs in their gold plated position.
Don't you dare assume I have an attitude...
BKS
I am in the ‘HOLD POOL’ waiting for training.
I can wait 18 months and I don’t care. Its important that when I start I wont be on a completely different contract and will still be treated the same as current crew.
I can wait 18 months and I don’t care. Its important that when I start I wont be on a completely different contract and will still be treated the same as current crew.
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Hate to break the bad news but you WILL be on a different contract. IMHO unless the old school BASSA is broken this time, then it will continue as it has for years:- us new(er) contract workers suffering to protect those on the old contract who are in relative terms very well off.
Just so you know what you're joining.
Hate to break the bad news but you WILL be on a different contract. IMHO unless the old school BASSA is broken this time, then it will continue as it has for years:- us new(er) contract workers suffering to protect those on the old contract who are in relative terms very well off.
Just so you know what you're joining.
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Nutjob - Exactly.
Remember, BASSA = British Airways Senior Stewards Association (Heathrow).
The new-new contract will be the absolute first thing that BASSA will concede, this will be on the basis that "new people know what they are signing up for, so it is their choice"
This will lead to the situation where you have 4 crew on an Airbus (or 3?!) where the old contract main crew is earning more than the new contract purser, and the poor new-new contract main crew will be on the hourly rate, so on, say, a ZRH stand-over day, the old/new contract crew will be getting about £500 of allowances, the new-new contract crew will be getting about £200. Add in to this a re-deployed bus driver main crew who's kept his £40k+ basic and £18k allowances, and you have a real messed up situation that is going to lead to all sorts of bad feeling and arguments!
What a mess!
Remember, BASSA = British Airways Senior Stewards Association (Heathrow).
The new-new contract will be the absolute first thing that BASSA will concede, this will be on the basis that "new people know what they are signing up for, so it is their choice"
This will lead to the situation where you have 4 crew on an Airbus (or 3?!) where the old contract main crew is earning more than the new contract purser, and the poor new-new contract main crew will be on the hourly rate, so on, say, a ZRH stand-over day, the old/new contract crew will be getting about £500 of allowances, the new-new contract crew will be getting about £200. Add in to this a re-deployed bus driver main crew who's kept his £40k+ basic and £18k allowances, and you have a real messed up situation that is going to lead to all sorts of bad feeling and arguments!
What a mess!