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Willie Gets Inflation-busting Pay Rise
There is no way I am going to vote for a pay cut whilst Willie is being rewarded!
This just sends the wrong signal - Willie should be ashamed - he should forgo this pay rise and take a permanent pay CUT too along with the rest of us!
from The Times....
BA chief Willie Walsh gets pay rise despite record losses
News of Willie Walsh's pay rise is embarrassing timing as the chief executive is negotiating pay cuts with his employees
Willie Walsh, the chief executive of British Airways, will receive an inflation-busting pay rise taking his salary to £743,000 this year and could gain a further £1.1 million in deferred share bonuses.
The pay award was published in the airline's annual report on Wednesday, but the timing is embarrassing as Mr Walsh is negotiating pay cuts with his employees. He said last night that he would forego his annual bonus of up to £550,000 in shares this year.
Mr Walsh waved his cash bonus of £700,000 last year after the botched opening of Heathrow's Terminal 5 and he has said that he will work for free during July.
BA lost £401 million last year and Mr Walsh has called for significant cost cutting as the airline faces its "worst ever trading environment".
According to BA's annual report, Mr Walsh's basic salary will rise by 6 per cent to £743,000 this year and he will waive a performance bonus of up to 75 per cent of this figure.
Mr Walsh will also receive up to £1.1 million of shares as part of the long-term incentive program.
The remuneration committee said that it had decided management needed an incentive for this year and has changed the performance criteria so that bonus payment is not contingent on the airline making a profit.
Bonuses will now be paid on meeting a financial plan rather than hitting a profit margin target. The importance of punctuality and customer satisfaction have been downgraded as elements on the bonus calculation.
This just sends the wrong signal - Willie should be ashamed - he should forgo this pay rise and take a permanent pay CUT too along with the rest of us!
from The Times....
BA chief Willie Walsh gets pay rise despite record losses
News of Willie Walsh's pay rise is embarrassing timing as the chief executive is negotiating pay cuts with his employees
Willie Walsh, the chief executive of British Airways, will receive an inflation-busting pay rise taking his salary to £743,000 this year and could gain a further £1.1 million in deferred share bonuses.
The pay award was published in the airline's annual report on Wednesday, but the timing is embarrassing as Mr Walsh is negotiating pay cuts with his employees. He said last night that he would forego his annual bonus of up to £550,000 in shares this year.
Mr Walsh waved his cash bonus of £700,000 last year after the botched opening of Heathrow's Terminal 5 and he has said that he will work for free during July.
BA lost £401 million last year and Mr Walsh has called for significant cost cutting as the airline faces its "worst ever trading environment".
According to BA's annual report, Mr Walsh's basic salary will rise by 6 per cent to £743,000 this year and he will waive a performance bonus of up to 75 per cent of this figure.
Mr Walsh will also receive up to £1.1 million of shares as part of the long-term incentive program.
The remuneration committee said that it had decided management needed an incentive for this year and has changed the performance criteria so that bonus payment is not contingent on the airline making a profit.
Bonuses will now be paid on meeting a financial plan rather than hitting a profit margin target. The importance of punctuality and customer satisfaction have been downgraded as elements on the bonus calculation.
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The fact that they can sack you, and the fact that the law cannot make them reinstate you even if it was found to be illegal is kosher. The amount of money they would have to pay is also kosher, and is based on info that BALPA sent out during the Openskies dispute.
BA's intention to impose at the end of the month if no satisfactory negotiated agreement is reached is also kosher.
The idea that BA will sack the first 2000 who do not show up for work - that is just my opinion, and it is based on what I would do if I was leading BA. To be honest, I am not sure how many other options Willie actually has.
BA's intention to impose at the end of the month if no satisfactory negotiated agreement is reached is also kosher.
The idea that BA will sack the first 2000 who do not show up for work - that is just my opinion, and it is based on what I would do if I was leading BA. To be honest, I am not sure how many other options Willie actually has.
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13 please,
In this case LGW should get the same agreement as LHR which of course will never happen because of the costs involved. We do have Destination Payment but isn't it amusing that when both DFW and IAH, ex-LGW routes, came to LHR they were all of the sudden entitled to such payment and 3 MBT instead of 2 MBT which they got down at Gatters? It's in our agreement, yes, but definitely an insult towards our collagues down there. How much money is left in this pot?
HiFlyer14,
I also think one of the mods in that forum is a BASSA rep! I'm still trying to find out whether it's the chairman itself. I have no idea how we should start voicing our opinions. It'll be a really tough battle when you think that 85% voted for a ballot. I also think the union representatives actually want to strike and are determined to do so.
A strike will hit us hard financially (crew who say otherwise are dull) and those costs need to be taken from somewhere. That's my concern.
In this case LGW should get the same agreement as LHR which of course will never happen because of the costs involved. We do have Destination Payment but isn't it amusing that when both DFW and IAH, ex-LGW routes, came to LHR they were all of the sudden entitled to such payment and 3 MBT instead of 2 MBT which they got down at Gatters? It's in our agreement, yes, but definitely an insult towards our collagues down there. How much money is left in this pot?
HiFlyer14,
I also think one of the mods in that forum is a BASSA rep! I'm still trying to find out whether it's the chairman itself. I have no idea how we should start voicing our opinions. It'll be a really tough battle when you think that 85% voted for a ballot. I also think the union representatives actually want to strike and are determined to do so.
A strike will hit us hard financially (crew who say otherwise are dull) and those costs need to be taken from somewhere. That's my concern.
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Willie Walsh is a clever chap who doesn't seem afraid of a fight. Does anyone else see a potential reason for the deliberate timing of the announcement about his pay?
He wouldn't be trying to goad the BASSA leadership into a decision, would he?
He wouldn't be trying to goad the BASSA leadership into a decision, would he?
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Must admit GS-Alpha may be onto something.
As he has said there's nothing to stop Willie sacking someone, illegally or otherwise, on day 1 of a Strike...and we know from experience that Willie is quite happy to use the Courts to spin things out and/or to bankrupt a Union...
So Day one of any IR Willie sacks the first 1000 no-shows, tells them "see you at the Tribunial" in 6/12/18 months and encourages everyone else to return to work....yep BA are 1000 CC down and as I understand IR the sacked workers can't be replaced for ?90 days - but he's after manpower reduction anyway....
I'm not spinning this from any management viewpoint, but it is the sort of info BALPA was pushing out prior to the Openlies fiasco...I do hope our colleagues get similar info from BASSA before putting pen to paper.
As for Willie's payrise, I too, reckon it sucks, and if it was announced to deliberately provoke the Unions then we really are seeing the man's true nature.
As he has said there's nothing to stop Willie sacking someone, illegally or otherwise, on day 1 of a Strike...and we know from experience that Willie is quite happy to use the Courts to spin things out and/or to bankrupt a Union...
So Day one of any IR Willie sacks the first 1000 no-shows, tells them "see you at the Tribunial" in 6/12/18 months and encourages everyone else to return to work....yep BA are 1000 CC down and as I understand IR the sacked workers can't be replaced for ?90 days - but he's after manpower reduction anyway....
I'm not spinning this from any management viewpoint, but it is the sort of info BALPA was pushing out prior to the Openlies fiasco...I do hope our colleagues get similar info from BASSA before putting pen to paper.
As for Willie's payrise, I too, reckon it sucks, and if it was announced to deliberately provoke the Unions then we really are seeing the man's true nature.
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Andyis..
Interesting you use the term "circus", I thought BA was supposed to be a Major Airline....Personally I was brought up with the phrase "leadership by example"...silly me.
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OK, for the benefit of Wiggy, The Airlines' Chief Executive is getting a payrise. It doesnt mean that everyone else in the Airline should get the same pay, or payrise.
He is tasked with keeping the airline going. Reward as is required.
If you aren't happy with Willie's pay,instead of whinging about it, why not apply to do his job?
He is tasked with keeping the airline going. Reward as is required.
If you aren't happy with Willie's pay,instead of whinging about it, why not apply to do his job?
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Yep, I agree reward is reward..and if he keeps the airline afloat you'll get no arguments from me about his payrise. You'd also get no arguments from me if all the Crew of the BA38 or the Flight Crew of the 744 who had the flap issue out of JNB recently had also got significant financial reward - their efforts also helped keep BA afloat....but the Company line is they were just their job - as is Willie.
Look, Willie will be worth every penny if he can keep BA afloat, but he hasn't done that yet. What he has done ( or someone has done it on his behalf) is significantly raise the temperature of the debate and IMHO made it difficult for the Reps of even the moderate Unions such as BALPA to sell a cost/cutting/benefit cutting/T&C cutting package to their members. If he didn't mean to do that then taking the payrise was massive blunder, if he did mean to do that then I sure as heck hope he has a cunning plan......
Look, Willie will be worth every penny if he can keep BA afloat, but he hasn't done that yet. What he has done ( or someone has done it on his behalf) is significantly raise the temperature of the debate and IMHO made it difficult for the Reps of even the moderate Unions such as BALPA to sell a cost/cutting/benefit cutting/T&C cutting package to their members. If he didn't mean to do that then taking the payrise was massive blunder, if he did mean to do that then I sure as heck hope he has a cunning plan......
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worldoffers,
I have read your post 4 times, I think now I can make some sense of it.
FYI, and from the hotel contract, "upgraded rooms are to be at no additional expense to British Airways" so no savings there then.
You mention internet access, but offer no background as to Pilots and Cabin Crew e working agreements. FYI I am paying for my internet access right now.
Nope wide of the mark again, you show crass understanding of our working lives and days.
On the Upper deck of a 747 I can't remember the last time I had the choice from a first class menu, that's not a moan because the crew food that is loaded is fine by me.
In fact last night with 6 people in first there was nothing left over, in fact those people that paid £4K for their ticket didn't even get a choice of meals. and BA want them to fly with us again??
Left over club food, might happen sometimes, but you can't depend on it.
You mention private health care must go, fine by me, 3 years ago I was grounded by the CAA, like many other BA pilots each year. I was back at work in 21 days largely due to BAs private health care. If I had waited for the NHS I would have been out of action for over 90 days,all the time being paid a basic wage, and another pilot being paid overtime to cover my work.
Now you go away and do the math and see if private health care should go!
Before you spout such illiterate nonsense why don't you do some research
I have read your post 4 times, I think now I can make some sense of it.
, BA can no longer afford are being looked at and that include upgraded rooms with Breakfast
You mention internet access, but offer no background as to Pilots and Cabin Crew e working agreements.
FYI I am paying for my internet access right now.
food waste on crew trolley , 5 to 6 choices and on top choose from First class menu and Club .
On the Upper deck of a 747 I can't remember the last time I had the choice from a first class menu, that's not a moan because the crew food that is loaded is fine by me.
In fact last night with 6 people in first there was nothing left over, in fact those people that paid £4K for their ticket didn't even get a choice of meals.
and BA want them to fly with us again??Left over club food, might happen sometimes, but you can't depend on it.
You mention private health care must go, fine by me, 3 years ago I was grounded by the CAA, like many other BA pilots each year. I was back at work in 21 days largely due to BAs private health care. If I had waited for the NHS I would have been out of action for over 90 days,all the time being paid a basic wage, and another pilot being paid overtime to cover my work.
Now you go away and do the math and see if private health care should go!
Before you spout such illiterate nonsense why don't you do some research
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if he did mean to do that then I sure as heck hope he has a cunning plan......
Imposition means disruption of some sort soon after. He MUST have a plan, and it MUST be bulletproof. I'll be voting yes to whatever it is that BALPA have negotiated for us, because I know that imposition would be far worse. BASSA members are not going to have that option it seems, because their union is not really making all that much effort to meet BA's targets. I feel sorry for the crew, because in my opinion their union is SERIOUSLY underestimating Willie's resolve.
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Da Dog , upgraded rooms are at an extra cost as it is negotiated at time of the contract , We give you X amount of rooms in return for the contract , if standard room are booked all across , no need for negotiation . £ 1 per room per head saves a lot of money for over 16000 people in total . Do the maths .
Change change change is coming this time and its for everybody . you can vote , ballot , march to waterside , do what you like , it will happen , same as open skies did .
The best thing forward is work with each other , support each other , be one team , not divide and slag .
Change change change is coming this time and its for everybody . you can vote , ballot , march to waterside , do what you like , it will happen , same as open skies did .
The best thing forward is work with each other , support each other , be one team , not divide and slag .
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One thing I don't understand: what makes a strike legal and illegal? If BA and BASSA don't reach an agreement before 30th of June, would it be legal for BASSA to take out their members on a strike?
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Virginia,
It's not really the issue. It's about becoming a bit more flexible and cost effective. Think about EF and that they average 500 hours per year! It's nearly equivalent to part-time at full-time pay.
WW could also become more flexible, for instance disruption agreement, and remove some of its clauses. I was on one of the flights last year when the airport in BKK was closed down. Did you know that several aircraft left without any passengers, leaving them behind, because some of the cabin crew insisted on two local nights as part of the agreement? A few of us in the cabin were willing, along with the flight crew, to take minimum rest and try to get the situation sorted out. No! The vast majority of the crew refused to do so because they were entitled to two local nights. The trips were a lot longer than scheduled which actually meant more time in the hotel.
It's not really the issue. It's about becoming a bit more flexible and cost effective. Think about EF and that they average 500 hours per year! It's nearly equivalent to part-time at full-time pay.
WW could also become more flexible, for instance disruption agreement, and remove some of its clauses. I was on one of the flights last year when the airport in BKK was closed down. Did you know that several aircraft left without any passengers, leaving them behind, because some of the cabin crew insisted on two local nights as part of the agreement? A few of us in the cabin were willing, along with the flight crew, to take minimum rest and try to get the situation sorted out. No! The vast majority of the crew refused to do so because they were entitled to two local nights. The trips were a lot longer than scheduled which actually meant more time in the hotel.
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Anyone for a sweepstake on who/what worldoffers is? My money's on junior main crew, BARPS pension, doesn't understand why we aren't all paid the same because we all work on the same aircraft, right? His posts drip with envy and are littered with the kind of ridiculous 'facts' that you only get from Galley FM.
Personally I think junior crew should be flogged harder, with no bunk rest for them to allow the seniors more time. They should also be stripped of telephone allowances (don't need those any more) and the money should be redistributed to pay for the wax for our Ferraris.
Personally I think junior crew should be flogged harder, with no bunk rest for them to allow the seniors more time. They should also be stripped of telephone allowances (don't need those any more) and the money should be redistributed to pay for the wax for our Ferraris.
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Worldoffers,
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Our agreement says:
Where the Hotel wishes and/or is able to upgrade Crew Members to superior rooms it shall do so in the order of preference of Captains, Senior First Officers; First Officers; Cabin Service Directors and Pursers. Any room upgrade shall be at no extra charge to BA Group.
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Our agreement says:
Where the Hotel wishes and/or is able to upgrade Crew Members to superior rooms it shall do so in the order of preference of Captains, Senior First Officers; First Officers; Cabin Service Directors and Pursers. Any room upgrade shall be at no extra charge to BA Group.
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Deleted posts today - we require a minimum attempt at legibility i.e. spelling in English at a level above primary school, some vague, minimum attempt at English grammar and punctuation
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The Times seems to have got information about the allowances:
http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/pdfs...ont_110609.pdf
http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/pdfs...ont_110609.pdf
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To be fair The Times are hardly putting any perspective into their reporting, they just quote some of the more affluent destinations without taking into account other areas of the world like India as an example. Perhaps a cabin crew member should send in a sample roster