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don't forget that come july 1 and your agreement is not successfully voted up labor's new fair work oz will begin. a fairness test i.e. new agreement must not disadvantage any employee, will apply. further, union representation if requested cannot be refused. lastly, employers must negotiate in good faith, massive fines if they don't.
so if the no vote prevails little is lost (by the sounds of it) and maybe a lot to gain from bargaining after june 30.... something to think about.
p.s. i work for the white rat.
good luck to you all
so if the no vote prevails little is lost (by the sounds of it) and maybe a lot to gain from bargaining after june 30.... something to think about.
p.s. i work for the white rat.
good luck to you all
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Hey skyshow
just regarding your comment about the new wages:
we are all affected immediately by this change, by accepting it, we will overnight de-value ourselves. why do you think cabin crew at V are getting paid so little? Because they accepted it, they lowered the bar for all international cabin crew ex-oz. we that are already employed my be earning more than the new starting wages BUT, those new starting wages now say they what we do, the role of a cabin crew is only worth $38,000 (and some change). That's $28,500 after tax (assuming it would be in the lesser tax bracket of 25%)! On a 4 sector MEL-SYD, 800 series, you potentially deal with 720 people in the space of 9 short hours. And that's one day, hopefully a normal one with no medical emergencies, no cabin preps, no arrests, no dramas other than the usual dramas associated with cramming 180 people into a small area, forcing them to sit next to others they haven't met, telling them what they can do and when they can do it etc. All the while with a smile on your face, a bounce in your step and all the while, trying to please numerous other VB departments! How is that worth so little??
You've got to look at the big picture on this stuff - long-term picture - just because you personally won't be on that bulls**t wage, someone arming the door next to you WILL be and if jetstar is any indication, they won't be happy and YOU will be the one that has to deal with their unhappiness - possibly for up to 4 days...
don't you think that what you do - assuming your not like lizzydizzy and read cleo all day - is worth more than that?
just regarding your comment about the new wages:
And as for the new crew on less salaries to begin with, no one will be effected by it in the way you described - this is only for when they hire again (obviously not even this year at least).
You've got to look at the big picture on this stuff - long-term picture - just because you personally won't be on that bulls**t wage, someone arming the door next to you WILL be and if jetstar is any indication, they won't be happy and YOU will be the one that has to deal with their unhappiness - possibly for up to 4 days...
don't you think that what you do - assuming your not like lizzydizzy and read cleo all day - is worth more than that?
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I certainly understand what you're saying. Do I agree with it? No. But it is a reality that they will not negotiate on currently - just like the 28 day rosters.
And no, I disagree - it will NOT be like Jetstar or Qantas - I've previously worked for an airline with a TEN YEAR pay ladder, like Virgin's proposed four year pay ladder. The difference with Virgin Blue is they're introducing it NOW, not when they started nearly ten years ago. When I started flying before, there was no jealousy or anyone upset - it was just an acknowledgement that there were crew on tenth year wages and I started on level 1. Just like the acknowledgement of nearly every airline out there regarding seniority. I had the opportunity to do the time like them to accrue to their level.
Virgin's 4 year pay level won't take too long for the crew to accrue to our level (compared to 10 years for example in my last employment). At least its not like Jetstar or Qantas where we potentially have crew on different agreements period.
As I said I worked with an agreement exactly like this (except 6 years longer) and not once was it brought up during a flight. Its a shame they want to save money this way, but at least they're not outsourcing and therefore effecting us altogether. eg: calling them out on availables instead of us.
With my personal experience, I would say there would be NO complications with crew among a flight. It wasn't even talked about!
And no, I disagree - it will NOT be like Jetstar or Qantas - I've previously worked for an airline with a TEN YEAR pay ladder, like Virgin's proposed four year pay ladder. The difference with Virgin Blue is they're introducing it NOW, not when they started nearly ten years ago. When I started flying before, there was no jealousy or anyone upset - it was just an acknowledgement that there were crew on tenth year wages and I started on level 1. Just like the acknowledgement of nearly every airline out there regarding seniority. I had the opportunity to do the time like them to accrue to their level.
Virgin's 4 year pay level won't take too long for the crew to accrue to our level (compared to 10 years for example in my last employment). At least its not like Jetstar or Qantas where we potentially have crew on different agreements period.
As I said I worked with an agreement exactly like this (except 6 years longer) and not once was it brought up during a flight. Its a shame they want to save money this way, but at least they're not outsourcing and therefore effecting us altogether. eg: calling them out on availables instead of us.
With my personal experience, I would say there would be NO complications with crew among a flight. It wasn't even talked about!
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How other industries do things
At VBA we havent had a pay rise for a while so we should be following the dock workers lead and not accepting what management have offered. The sign on bonus should have been a % increase in the first two years to the order of 8-10% in the first year to make up for no pay rises, 8-10% in the second year, and then maybe some restraint in the third year.
How about a real pay rise. The $2,500 "bribe" is shameful.
EXCLUSIVE: MORE than 200 Port Melbourne wharfies will walk off the job in the first Australian docks strike since the 1998 waterfront dispute.
Union members will down tools from midnight on Thursday and establish a picket line at Web docks 3, 4 and 5 until Saturday.
The strike follows a breakdown in pay talks between stevedoring giant Asciano and maritime unions.
The arrival of two giant container ships from Europe late tomorrow night is expected to add to the drama.
Maritime Union of Australia state secretary Kevin Bracken said the walk-off was the culmination of two years of stalled negotiations.
“It's been two-and-a-half years since we've had a pay rise down there,'' Mr Bracken told the Herald Sun.
“It's protected industrial action, which legally we can do under legislation. We had talks yesterday and all they offered was 5 per cent for the next 18 months. And I don't think any union would be accepting that.''
Mr Bracken said it was unclear whether the strike would extend into the weekend or next week.
“We are available to talk in good faith and always have been. It's in their hands.
Union members will down tools from midnight on Thursday and establish a picket line at Web docks 3, 4 and 5 until Saturday.
The strike follows a breakdown in pay talks between stevedoring giant Asciano and maritime unions.
The arrival of two giant container ships from Europe late tomorrow night is expected to add to the drama.
Maritime Union of Australia state secretary Kevin Bracken said the walk-off was the culmination of two years of stalled negotiations.
“It's been two-and-a-half years since we've had a pay rise down there,'' Mr Bracken told the Herald Sun.
“It's protected industrial action, which legally we can do under legislation. We had talks yesterday and all they offered was 5 per cent for the next 18 months. And I don't think any union would be accepting that.''
Mr Bracken said it was unclear whether the strike would extend into the weekend or next week.
“We are available to talk in good faith and always have been. It's in their hands.
How about a real pay rise. The $2,500 "bribe" is shameful.
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thank you wirgin blue! how i love to hear sane words spoken!
skyshow, you missed my point
do you think what YOU do for a living is worth $37000 as a starting wage?
i too have worked for other airlines, and understand the whole pay scale deal HOWEVER, where do you place the minimum? I can pretty much assure you that whatever pay scale you started on all those years ago, it was more than the equivalent of $37,000 - assuming you worked in the industry more than 10+ years ago. How can i say this with such surety you may ask? because when i started in the industry all those years ago, there was an award that we worked under, not an employee agreement. . 15+ years ago my base salary was $28,000 which went up by $1000 dollars each year i worked for the company - so, pay scale. factor in the cost of living et al, can you not see that wages have gone down in those years not up? Put it this way, the new proposed base salary is $26,673. thats almost 2 grand less than mine was 15 years ago. in addition, when i was earning that base salary of $28,000, i was doing less hours for it, with longer rest periods. How can you not get that this is a major hit we are taking? have corporate wages gone down in the last 20 years or up? please tell me why you think our wage should be on the continual decline while corporate types increase 10 fold?
and, if you decide to introduce a pay scale half way through the game, you don't LOWER the starting wage, you keep the starting wage as is and build from there i.e. in ten years from now if you stay with us, this is what you will be on...it is all about loyalty, not lowering the bar. the minimum wage doesn't ever get adjusted down, only ever up. please find me an example of when this hasn't been the case. for eg. first year out lawyers, doctors, accountants, teachers, secretaries, nurses, bankers, mcdonalds workers, supermarket attendants etc. don't earn less in the first year than those that started 10 years ago (i.e. 1998) did.
as for whether it has been talked about or not
you musn't be speaking to many crew as it has come up many times in my presence and has been mentioned in numerous roadshows as well. not to mention from those crew that have come over from jetstar for many reasons, that being one of them. morale around this has been a major sticking point at bars on overnights.
but again, what do YOU think your job is worth?
skyshow, you missed my point
I certainly understand what you're saying. Do I agree with it? No. But it is a reality that they will not negotiate on currently - just like the 28 day rosters.
i too have worked for other airlines, and understand the whole pay scale deal HOWEVER, where do you place the minimum? I can pretty much assure you that whatever pay scale you started on all those years ago, it was more than the equivalent of $37,000 - assuming you worked in the industry more than 10+ years ago. How can i say this with such surety you may ask? because when i started in the industry all those years ago, there was an award that we worked under, not an employee agreement. . 15+ years ago my base salary was $28,000 which went up by $1000 dollars each year i worked for the company - so, pay scale. factor in the cost of living et al, can you not see that wages have gone down in those years not up? Put it this way, the new proposed base salary is $26,673. thats almost 2 grand less than mine was 15 years ago. in addition, when i was earning that base salary of $28,000, i was doing less hours for it, with longer rest periods. How can you not get that this is a major hit we are taking? have corporate wages gone down in the last 20 years or up? please tell me why you think our wage should be on the continual decline while corporate types increase 10 fold?
I've previously worked for an airline with a TEN YEAR pay ladder, like Virgin's proposed four year pay ladder. The difference with Virgin Blue is they're introducing it NOW, not when they started nearly ten years ago.
as for whether it has been talked about or not
With my personal experience, I would say there would be NO complications with crew among a flight. It wasn't even talked about!
but again, what do YOU think your job is worth?
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I think there's a misunderstanding...
I do not agree with the change in pay scales. I just think it’ll be one of two things that definitely will not currently change – that and the 28 day rosters.
The only thing I disagree with you and your other crew’s statements is the morale issue. Of course I may be wrong, but it never was a problem in my past experience hence my input in this conversation. You and crew at the moment are talking about morale issues based on different work entities, not pay scales.
However of course I do agree with your statements regarding this as undervaluing our worth. And the pay scales should start up, not down. Who wouldn't agree?
Your comparison to Jetstar is incorrect because they have TeamJetstar employees on lesser wages and more hours FOREVER. Just like Qantas’ QCCA and MAM. Crew technically employed by a different company/entity. As for undervaluing the job, Qantas lowered the bar. We all know QCCA crew will work 30% more for 30% less. Forever. Or what about the Bangkok base earning under $20,000AUD annually for more hours? Virgin will not be like Qantas, thankfully.
With us, all employees will be equal except for a pay scale for 4 years.
Ask the ex-Jetstar crew what the morale was like before TeamJetstar, when all they had was a pay scale – like Virgin’s proposal? Your ex-Jetstar crew are telling you what its like having a different entity of crew around, not a group as a whole with a pay scale.
And hasn’t Virgin Blue had pay scales since day one? Probation crew pay, year one crew pay, year two crew pay? Did this effect your morale when joining?
In a nutshell, once again, I’m saying I wouldn’t see a morale problem. You do. And we both are entitled to our different ideas on this. My idea is different to yours because I believe you’re confused between morale with pay scale and morale with different work groups and I have witnessed both in my flying career first hand.
I understand we're lowering the bar of pay if this get's voted yes, as you stated you earnt similar amounts in base pay 15 years ago and you had an airline with pay scales. But tell me what the morale was like with this pay scale? Was there jealousy/poor morale amongst the crew with this? I would imagine not, as per my experience.
At the end of the day, if we don't like the proposal we vote NO. If we think we undervalue ourselves and others (like this proposal of pay scales would do) we vote accordingly.
wirgin blue, agree with you... I wonder if the 50 odd crew transferring to international will vote yes and take the $2500 bonus before transferring? And not to mention the fact Virgin Atlantic exchangees get to vote weeks before they leave back for London. Do you think these 50+20 crew care as much as the rest staying?!?
indamiddle, thanks for the infomation. Yes the new laws past July 1 are the hot topic in every VB galley at the moment already...
I think there's a misunderstanding...
I do not agree with the change in pay scales. I just think it’ll be one of two things that definitely will not currently change – that and the 28 day rosters.
The only thing I disagree with you and your other crew’s statements is the morale issue. Of course I may be wrong, but it never was a problem in my past experience hence my input in this conversation. You and crew at the moment are talking about morale issues based on different work entities, not pay scales.
However of course I do agree with your statements regarding this as undervaluing our worth. And the pay scales should start up, not down. Who wouldn't agree?
Your comparison to Jetstar is incorrect because they have TeamJetstar employees on lesser wages and more hours FOREVER. Just like Qantas’ QCCA and MAM. Crew technically employed by a different company/entity. As for undervaluing the job, Qantas lowered the bar. We all know QCCA crew will work 30% more for 30% less. Forever. Or what about the Bangkok base earning under $20,000AUD annually for more hours? Virgin will not be like Qantas, thankfully.
With us, all employees will be equal except for a pay scale for 4 years.
Ask the ex-Jetstar crew what the morale was like before TeamJetstar, when all they had was a pay scale – like Virgin’s proposal? Your ex-Jetstar crew are telling you what its like having a different entity of crew around, not a group as a whole with a pay scale.
And hasn’t Virgin Blue had pay scales since day one? Probation crew pay, year one crew pay, year two crew pay? Did this effect your morale when joining?
In a nutshell, once again, I’m saying I wouldn’t see a morale problem. You do. And we both are entitled to our different ideas on this. My idea is different to yours because I believe you’re confused between morale with pay scale and morale with different work groups and I have witnessed both in my flying career first hand.
I understand we're lowering the bar of pay if this get's voted yes, as you stated you earnt similar amounts in base pay 15 years ago and you had an airline with pay scales. But tell me what the morale was like with this pay scale? Was there jealousy/poor morale amongst the crew with this? I would imagine not, as per my experience.
At the end of the day, if we don't like the proposal we vote NO. If we think we undervalue ourselves and others (like this proposal of pay scales would do) we vote accordingly.
wirgin blue, agree with you... I wonder if the 50 odd crew transferring to international will vote yes and take the $2500 bonus before transferring? And not to mention the fact Virgin Atlantic exchangees get to vote weeks before they leave back for London. Do you think these 50+20 crew care as much as the rest staying?!?
indamiddle, thanks for the infomation. Yes the new laws past July 1 are the hot topic in every VB galley at the moment already...
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Let's have a look at the real world shall we?
Since it seems to be a common misconception that crew don't work in the real world or even understand what it is, I'd like to do a refresher....
In the real world my sister has been trying to get a redundancy from her job for the past year and can't get one. Instead she has received a bonus (10% of her salary) for a job well done, during the GEC.
In the real world your annual bonus and pay increases are linked directly to your personal performance on the job. If you do your job well you can expect a 5-10% annual salary increase.
In the real world you get a whole hour in which to consume a proper meal during the day. You can even choose to eat that meal away from your workplace to give yourself a break.
In the real world, no-one expects you to eat your meal next to a public toilet or consume it standing up because there is nowhere to sit.
In the real world you get weekends and public holidays off, or if you have to work you get paid overtime to do it.
In the real world you don't have to manage a team of 3 people to earn over $50k a year. Managing your bosses incoming calls and palm pilot is usually sufficient.
In the real world if you apply for leave on a certain date it's about 80% certain you'll get it. You also don't have to apply for your holidays 6 months in advance and can easily get your brothers wedding day off.
In the real world my sister has been trying to get a redundancy from her job for the past year and can't get one. Instead she has received a bonus (10% of her salary) for a job well done, during the GEC.
In the real world your annual bonus and pay increases are linked directly to your personal performance on the job. If you do your job well you can expect a 5-10% annual salary increase.
In the real world you get a whole hour in which to consume a proper meal during the day. You can even choose to eat that meal away from your workplace to give yourself a break.
In the real world, no-one expects you to eat your meal next to a public toilet or consume it standing up because there is nowhere to sit.
In the real world you get weekends and public holidays off, or if you have to work you get paid overtime to do it.
In the real world you don't have to manage a team of 3 people to earn over $50k a year. Managing your bosses incoming calls and palm pilot is usually sufficient.
In the real world if you apply for leave on a certain date it's about 80% certain you'll get it. You also don't have to apply for your holidays 6 months in advance and can easily get your brothers wedding day off.
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welcome to our world management!
The problem is that up until (hopefully) now, crew have just accepted this state of affairs and management hasn't cared less about this state of affairs. Management gets to live in the real world so, so long as their nest is feathered, they could care less about ours. Until we start sending a message to them via a NO vote, telling them enough is enough, we're going to continue to get the sh*t stick. i just hope ALL crew are smart enough and tough enough to get pro-active.
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intimidation tactics; bullying; misleading and fiction
While pushing my cart around choosing to believe in one product or another I didn't have to remind myself too far back in time, January i believe it was, when I was sworn at and presented with information about losses instead of profits, told if I don't vote yes I would have to re-vote on the same offer.
This post is non-fiction.
Seeing as this is not tolerated, what action has been taken to remove those who behaved this way?
Unless you back what you put in writing, we cant believe in the product you are offering.
This post is non-fiction.
Seeing as this is not tolerated, what action has been taken to remove those who behaved this way?
Unless you back what you put in writing, we cant believe in the product you are offering.
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sign on and out payment
I like quotes- this one is taken from the latest comms from FAAA-
If cost savings are desired then why is the company so insistant that this "sign on" payment get paid to those who will be resigning to go to V? or back to the VAA exchange. Hardly a sign on paym. now - and it's all timed a little too perfect don't you think?
I understand V transfers, VAA ex's and Mat leave folk will vote yes to receive the golden handshake, leaving rest of us to work under the new eba, but it's a real shame they were put in the position in the first place.
Any lump sum payment should be backpay on salary increases.
Further, a lump‐sum payment to all full time cabin crew employees, representing $3.5–4 million in the current economic climate appears contradictory when cost savings are repeatedly mentioned by management as the main objective of reaching an agreement directly with crew.
I understand V transfers, VAA ex's and Mat leave folk will vote yes to receive the golden handshake, leaving rest of us to work under the new eba, but it's a real shame they were put in the position in the first place.
Any lump sum payment should be backpay on salary increases.
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Did anyone read MD's email to crew.
Made me laugh.
Firstly he talks about bullying and harressment. What has he done about RT the biggest of them all? What has been said to crew about "freedom of association"? Why do I get the feeling that the EBA Consul group felt like they were bullied? Why were the surveys all steered in one direction?
The surveys told management what they wanted to hear. Where was the option for "none of the above"? Where was the option to keep OT at 9 hours? Where was the option for me to be represented in "proper negotiations" by my union? All we have left now is to vote no and waste another million dollars.
Surveys can be designed to give you the answers you seek not the answers people want to give.
When this EBA is voted down again whose heads will roll? Last time they blamed the union this time they only have themselves to blame. All the emails coming from CC Management could be deemed "bullying" and "harassment" by email.
Rant over.
Made me laugh.
Firstly he talks about bullying and harressment. What has he done about RT the biggest of them all? What has been said to crew about "freedom of association"? Why do I get the feeling that the EBA Consul group felt like they were bullied? Why were the surveys all steered in one direction?
The surveys told management what they wanted to hear. Where was the option for "none of the above"? Where was the option to keep OT at 9 hours? Where was the option for me to be represented in "proper negotiations" by my union? All we have left now is to vote no and waste another million dollars.
Surveys can be designed to give you the answers you seek not the answers people want to give.
When this EBA is voted down again whose heads will roll? Last time they blamed the union this time they only have themselves to blame. All the emails coming from CC Management could be deemed "bullying" and "harassment" by email.
Rant over.
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Any lump sum payment should be backpay on salary increases
Backpay of salary will also fix our problem of having crew voting that are going to be gone soon. I think its disgusting how those transferring to V Australia and those flying off home to Virgin Atlantic crew get to even vote, let alone receive a $2,500 payment. We're already about 70 odd votes towards yes, and they know it. Now if that's not buying votes, what is?
Not only have management made me angry with certain things, but because they've chosen the above tactic and not playing fair, they've lost my respect.
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seems to me that people are not taking their conditions seriously....just sitting around whinging will not improve them
the only thing that will make recalcitrant employers stand up is direct action and publicity.
Thats why they dont want to deal with the union movement....they would rather pick you off one by one.
To be honest if you accept this non union deal you will have only yourselves to blame.
It might do you good to be screwed a little to appreciate the value of collective bargaining in the future
the only thing that will make recalcitrant employers stand up is direct action and publicity.
Thats why they dont want to deal with the union movement....they would rather pick you off one by one.
To be honest if you accept this non union deal you will have only yourselves to blame.
It might do you good to be screwed a little to appreciate the value of collective bargaining in the future
The unfortunate thing for Virgin Blue, is there are a large number of impressionable folk who get spooked easily.
I just watched Zoolander - it brought back memories of my induction at Virgin.
YouTube - Hypnosis Session
Watch this... The parts could equally be played by:
Derek Zoolander - Impressionable crew
Will Ferrell - BGod
Will Ferrell's dog - MDly
The russian woman - A DM
The DJ - RBranson
Matilda - The Union
Fight Fire with Fire!
I just watched Zoolander - it brought back memories of my induction at Virgin.
YouTube - Hypnosis Session
Watch this... The parts could equally be played by:
Derek Zoolander - Impressionable crew
Will Ferrell - BGod
Will Ferrell's dog - MDly
The russian woman - A DM
The DJ - RBranson
Matilda - The Union
Fight Fire with Fire!
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seems to me that people are not taking their conditions seriously....just sitting around whinging will not improve them
We have had numerous meetings (paid for) with management which was an opportunity to talk and listen (from both sides), as well as the opportunities to fill out surveys. Although certain things have not changed, a lot has. So we certainly have not sat around and whinged and not improved anything, although we have a looooooong way to go so I get the point on industrial action. Its quick, straight to the point and effective publicity. I have been involved in industrial action in the past. I would happily do it again although I wouldn't see it happening.
The unfortunate thing for Virgin Blue, is there are a large number of impressionable folk who get spooked easily.
The airline recalls easily the last EBA negotiations, which was dealt with the union (and passed positively with the FAAA) but over 90% of cabin crew voted it down. The airline now has bypassed the union, thinking that talking with the crew directly (and crew representatives) was a better option. But now the union is saying to vote no (as they don't endorse the proposal), and the crew are 50-50. This is why they've bypassed the union.
Although my decision to vote no is already made, just voting no for the fact it would help stop those crew transferring to international and those returning to London and getting that $2500 to selfishly screw us remaining crew over is enough for me not to change my mind.
With the voting on Monday, open for a few days, what's the ratio everyone thinks the count will be? Any guesses?
From what I see, I'm realistically thinking 65% NO 35% YES
By the way the youtube Zoolander clip was SO CORRECT! I cannot stop laughing! I hope its not the last laugh I have for a while...
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from a household that has a taken a hit from LWOP & part time
...........it's not only what is in the proposed EBA that you need to worry about - it is what is not .........
Today, my other half is sick in a slip port. She can barely get to the toilet in the crappy 3.5 star hotel to throw up.........VB just tells her to get dressed, get a taxi to a doctor (any doctor) - pay for the taxi, doctor & prescriptions and then DISCUSS what may be claimed with her manager when she returns to base! BTW up until a few hours ago she was still waiting for her luggage which was sent to another port TWO DAYS AGO. (spare knickers in the day bag thank goodness)
VB crewing a few hours later calls (in the minimum rest period which should be no contact) and wakes her pressuring that she try to operate the back of clock flight home (even though she is sick) because they are short of crew.......
The current agreement is bad enough - as for the blow ins on the xchange program and those buggering off to V having a vote and pocketing what is a discounted amount of back pay - ....grrrrrrrr.....think karma............(don't get me started.)
The deal is a total dud - the arrogance of VB in the dollars wasted on the farce is a disgrace - the threats of voting NO by the very amatuer RT & Co in the face to face sessions are wholly contemptuous to the IRC and are prima face bullying.
Vote NO - and get a proper negotiation going that works for the crew and the business - stop giving things up to pay for the Exec stuff ups (forex, late fuel hedge, tens of thousands of $ on Branson P*ss ups and those demeaning V ads that make cabin crew look like brainless sex workers in the sky.
You all need to send a very clear professional message to these very unprofessional arrogant people.
excuse the emotion, but if this cr*p was tried on with us we would not even be taking off the brakes for push back.
...........it's not only what is in the proposed EBA that you need to worry about - it is what is not .........
Today, my other half is sick in a slip port. She can barely get to the toilet in the crappy 3.5 star hotel to throw up.........VB just tells her to get dressed, get a taxi to a doctor (any doctor) - pay for the taxi, doctor & prescriptions and then DISCUSS what may be claimed with her manager when she returns to base! BTW up until a few hours ago she was still waiting for her luggage which was sent to another port TWO DAYS AGO. (spare knickers in the day bag thank goodness)
VB crewing a few hours later calls (in the minimum rest period which should be no contact) and wakes her pressuring that she try to operate the back of clock flight home (even though she is sick) because they are short of crew.......
The current agreement is bad enough - as for the blow ins on the xchange program and those buggering off to V having a vote and pocketing what is a discounted amount of back pay - ....grrrrrrrr.....think karma............(don't get me started.)
The deal is a total dud - the arrogance of VB in the dollars wasted on the farce is a disgrace - the threats of voting NO by the very amatuer RT & Co in the face to face sessions are wholly contemptuous to the IRC and are prima face bullying.
Vote NO - and get a proper negotiation going that works for the crew and the business - stop giving things up to pay for the Exec stuff ups (forex, late fuel hedge, tens of thousands of $ on Branson P*ss ups and those demeaning V ads that make cabin crew look like brainless sex workers in the sky.
You all need to send a very clear professional message to these very unprofessional arrogant people.
excuse the emotion, but if this cr*p was tried on with us we would not even be taking off the brakes for push back.
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The current agreement is bad enough
Not too many years ago this current one was thought that crew were giving up too much and it was voted down. It immediately went to a re-vote at VB's request (voting errors apparently...) as I recall(?) .... as it was a very close call at that.
Reminds me of that song that goes : "slip slidin' away..." !
And thanks for your support AT, it's really tough when the fine print comes to bite you (cc or by means of your loved one) in the a**... If only we controlled those brakes!