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JAL Stacey, u are such a rude person, how dare you insulting me and my ex colleagues like that? I'm not surprised, but remember that the fact of being anonymous does't give you the right to insult anybody, and if you think your comments are so right, why do you need to put the rest down?...You're very wrong.
BestonBoard, sorry for saying that about the crew from courses 1, 2 and 3, I just meant some of them, but of course there's lovely people from those courses. I'm sure you're a great employee for what I can read on your posts. My apologies.
Finally, I'd like to remind to people who don't work for the ailine industry and who might read this threat that most of the cabin crew working for Silverjet are really happy with their job, thats why they don't need to write here. I am really pleased with my job, but I do participate in this because I am very disappointed with people who don't know how to sort out their problems and think talking crap about their company will change something. Please, don't think everyone so unprofessional in the airline.
Take care.
JAL Stacey, u are such a rude person, how dare you insulting me and my ex colleagues like that? I'm not surprised, but remember that the fact of being anonymous does't give you the right to insult anybody, and if you think your comments are so right, why do you need to put the rest down?...You're very wrong.
BestonBoard, sorry for saying that about the crew from courses 1, 2 and 3, I just meant some of them, but of course there's lovely people from those courses. I'm sure you're a great employee for what I can read on your posts. My apologies.
Finally, I'd like to remind to people who don't work for the ailine industry and who might read this threat that most of the cabin crew working for Silverjet are really happy with their job, thats why they don't need to write here. I am really pleased with my job, but I do participate in this because I am very disappointed with people who don't know how to sort out their problems and think talking crap about their company will change something. Please, don't think everyone so unprofessional in the airline.
Take care.
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You gotta be slightly feeble-minded to have to pay for your training, an ugly uniform, car park pass and work for a company that pays peanuts and doesn't provide crew with any food !
Couldn't agree more with the above statement! Working for Ryanair is an irrefutable proof of imbecility!
Couldn't agree more with the above statement! Working for Ryanair is an irrefutable proof of imbecility!
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Healthy debate is always welcome and everyone is entitled to their own opinions with regards to how they view their employment or ex employment at Silverjet.
Its very easy to think the grass is greener elsewhere. For those of us that have flown before, we know this isn't true and to a certain extent every airline has its sh*t its just that it is dealt with a different shovel! I do think that when people change airline (and they change for a reason)they suddenly don rose tinted glasses with regards to their previous employment.
I know that those cynics amongst you will shout that you left your previous companies for Silverjet because you were being offered better terms and conditions (money....) and for some of you that may be true, but for the majority i would guess it was because you were not happy with the terms and conditions and general cr*p you were being served by your then employers and you imagined SJ to be better.
As with all companies, its what you make it. You have a choice. Come to work and enjoy it for what it is or whine and moan and make your life and everyone elses a misery. Of course, the other choice is to leave....and before you shout again that you 'need the job and the money, and their is no where else to go blah blah blah', we all know that not to be true....if its making you that miserable stop whinging and do something about it....
Personally i think we have one of the best crews i have ever worked with, who are incredably motivated, fun and want the company to succeed. As for the management i find them to be accomodating, approachable and open to suggestions. Try talking to them, you might just be suprised by the response that you get.
Its very easy to think the grass is greener elsewhere. For those of us that have flown before, we know this isn't true and to a certain extent every airline has its sh*t its just that it is dealt with a different shovel! I do think that when people change airline (and they change for a reason)they suddenly don rose tinted glasses with regards to their previous employment.
I know that those cynics amongst you will shout that you left your previous companies for Silverjet because you were being offered better terms and conditions (money....) and for some of you that may be true, but for the majority i would guess it was because you were not happy with the terms and conditions and general cr*p you were being served by your then employers and you imagined SJ to be better.
As with all companies, its what you make it. You have a choice. Come to work and enjoy it for what it is or whine and moan and make your life and everyone elses a misery. Of course, the other choice is to leave....and before you shout again that you 'need the job and the money, and their is no where else to go blah blah blah', we all know that not to be true....if its making you that miserable stop whinging and do something about it....
Personally i think we have one of the best crews i have ever worked with, who are incredably motivated, fun and want the company to succeed. As for the management i find them to be accomodating, approachable and open to suggestions. Try talking to them, you might just be suprised by the response that you get.
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Diesel36,
Good to hear from you.
"Well ive been for an interview.
ive been flying 10 years, been for a couple of interviews and my god this is the worst ive ever been too. very unprofessional, just out and out rude."
Well I did try and give you an insight into Silverjet. I guess out of every bad experience you gain something, even if it's to confirm that you should stay where you are!
"The only ones that got through were non flyers, then why you interviewing for cabin managers..
No experience = No expectations in the role = easy to steam-role?
"They never introduced themselves, never smiled and only boasted how good they were.. NO THANKS.."
Regular day at the office in Silverjet!
Hi Silver Ginger Boy,
Thanks for the post.
"The people who is talking all that pile of c**p, why don't you tell management about all this? .....(easy in a web site but not to management)"
I think you have just stated, your words not mine, what I have been saying before, the management just don't listen, it's a case of put up and shut up, or leave!
"People like Mr Silverboy who just spend their flights bitching about the company at the back galley"
So you admit I'm now not the only one.
"Thanks God course 1, 2, 3 etc will be a minority"
I rest my case, back stabbing, in-fighting is rife and you have just proved it!
"BestonBoard, sorry for saying that about the crew from courses 1, 2 and 3, I just meant some of them, but of course there's lovely people from those courses. I'm sure you're a great employee for what I can read on your posts. My apologies."
Wops - shot your boss in the foot perhaps?
"PS: JAL-Stacey, can u get over it? u dont work for Silverjet dear, dont u have any better things to do than talkin about ur old job? what an interesting life...u must have a much better job now LOL"
This thread was set up to tell people about Silverjet. Everything JAL-Stacey has said about Silverjet is true, something in Silverjet that often is not the case. It should be pretty obvious to you that JAL-Stacey has a better job Diesel36, and is telling other people to avoid making the same mistakes with Silverjet.
Bestonboard,
Wow - just when we thought you had gone forever, you have somehow 'found time' for more! Good to see you!
"Recruitment is led by HR and an Outsourced Recruitment company. I cannot speak for their methods I'm afraid."
Really. That's new and never happened until Diesel36's interview.
Perhaps judging by the comments here, we might consider making it more 'Sivilised' before there is no-one left willing to waste their time on the company. Judging by the fact that you know a lot or are involved with recruitment, it might be worth looking at this!
"Silverboy, I am inquisitive. In your original entrance to the discussion, you state that you are tired, and overworked. Experiencing more than 5 trips a month. At the moment, a great deal of crew are experiencing a higher volume of work. The basics come down to the fact that we still require a great deal of crew to operate for the arrival of aircraft 4 and 5."
The main motivation behind my post was to correct the woefully inaccurate statements from posters of '4 trips a month versus 7
', '4 to 6 hour standbys versus 8 hours 30 minutes', and 'rows of 3 back to back flights!'.
Sure we need more crew, but a large part of the problem is not getting gullible people through the door, it's stopping people leaving when they really find out what life's like within!
"the majority of things that are coming across are airing on the negative side."
Precisely so - a reflection of within the company?
"Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching?"
Wow - mind-blowing stuff and I totally agree with you- really.
However instead of telling me, tell the management of the company, who at every opportunity fail to grasp this; this attitude being lead from the very top! Ops - forgot, they don't listen - silly me!
"If you were thinking outside of the box, would an ex employee, who was with the airline for less than 6 months be a great companion in waging a war?"
Reading into what you are saying, it sounds like another threat - standard day at Silverjet.
If you were thinking outside the box, you would realise that there is no greater ambassador for a company than happy ex-employee, who can quickly spread the word, even point people towards the company. It comes done to one basic principle - telling the truth!
"For it seems the path you are on does seem to be a lose/lose situation."
I appreciate your reasoning, and I am trying to do something about it, however whilst I am still here, and I still have 'moral' values, I only wish to tell the truth to interested individuals.
"May I ask what previous airlines you have worked for? For if you think that Silverjet is the most etc etc... I'm sorry, it begrudges me to twist our tag line in any way, I am intrigued to which work environment you are comparing it to."
You don't have to have work anywhere else to compare Silverjet. Look around you at crew members leaving, off on long term sickness, demoralised by their management. Every company in aviation has their own market place such as Ryanair and Easyjet, the difference is that those companies are actually quite well run when compared to Silverjet!
Silverjet's solution to the problem - throw more crew at the symptoms instead of addressing the problem itself. Wow - our company has so much in common with this government, maybe we should get Blair in to sort it out!
JAL-Stacey,
Good post!
Even the likes of easyJet and Bmibaby give you a minimum of 8 DO). I equally believe I have the duty to inform people and warn them about the so-called company Silverjet.
Totally correct, and without 3 back to back New York flights with Jet-lag!
"I do understand where you're coming from and your skewed plea though, you used to work for Ryanair, a company that employs mostly intellectually deficient people willing to be exploited, bullied and abused. Silverjet must unsurprisingly appear like the Golden Company to you..."
Perhaps a little harsh - everyone has a choice. The main point I would make is that the likes of BMI, Easy and Ryanair are relatively well run when compared to Silverjet!
"And again, it's up to people reading the thread to make up their mind, not you."
Tell the truth and let people make their own minds up! Simple!
Hi Morissette,
"You gotta be slightly feeble-minded to have to pay for your training, an ugly uniform, car park pass and work for a company that pays peanuts and doesn't provide crew with any food !
Couldn't agree more with the above statement! Working for Ryanair is an irrefutable proof of imbecility!"
Everyone has a place and choice in this world. Ryanair is still in business, which is more than I feel Silverjet will be in the future, unless the top management wake up and grasp the issues raised on here. Mike O'Leary is a bright guy at the top with a good concept, something our company shares in common. Unfortunately that's where the good similarities stop!!! At least with Ryanair, you get what it say's on the tin; nothing is further from the truth with Silverjet.
flygirl28,
Thanks for the post.
"Healthy debate is always welcome and everyone is entitled to their own opinions with regards to how they view their employment or ex employment at Silverjet.Its very easy to think the grass is greener elsewhere. For those of us that have flown before, we know this isn't true and to a certain extent every airline has its sh*t its just that it is dealt with a different shovel! I do think that when people change airline (and they change for a reason)they suddenly don rose tinted glasses with regards to their previous employment."
I think if you read carefully the posts on here, most of them don't say that, more just telling it as it is.
"Of course, the other choice is to leave....and before you shout again that you 'need the job and the money, and their is no where else to go blah blah blah', we all know that not to be true....if its making you that miserable stop whinging and do something about it...."
Try doing that on 7 flights a month, 3 back to backs and living in a tube - it's not easy. I could go sick for an interview, but that will just come back and hit me in the face with another back to back later in the month on a standby day!
"Personally i think we have one of the best crews i have ever worked with, who are incredably motivated, fun and want the company to succeed. As for the management i find them to be accomodating, approachable and open to suggestions. Try talking to them, you might just be suprised by the response that you get."
Yes some of the cabin crew are excellent, but this is not a reflection on the company more the individual's approach to the job. As for talking to the management, wow - you must be a mind reader.
Spot on! I have tried and been totally surprised by the responses I have received! Put up, shut up or leave!! Accomodating, approachable, open to suggestions - are you sure you have the right airline thread, because that's not Silverjet for sure!
Well I'm off for some rest before my next flight.
Happy flying, job hunting, sleeping e.t.c.
Silver Boy.x
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Good to hear from you.
"Well ive been for an interview.
ive been flying 10 years, been for a couple of interviews and my god this is the worst ive ever been too. very unprofessional, just out and out rude."
Well I did try and give you an insight into Silverjet. I guess out of every bad experience you gain something, even if it's to confirm that you should stay where you are!
"The only ones that got through were non flyers, then why you interviewing for cabin managers..
No experience = No expectations in the role = easy to steam-role?
"They never introduced themselves, never smiled and only boasted how good they were.. NO THANKS.."
Regular day at the office in Silverjet!
Hi Silver Ginger Boy,
Thanks for the post.
"The people who is talking all that pile of c**p, why don't you tell management about all this? .....(easy in a web site but not to management)"
I think you have just stated, your words not mine, what I have been saying before, the management just don't listen, it's a case of put up and shut up, or leave!
"People like Mr Silverboy who just spend their flights bitching about the company at the back galley"
So you admit I'm now not the only one.
"Thanks God course 1, 2, 3 etc will be a minority"
I rest my case, back stabbing, in-fighting is rife and you have just proved it!
"BestonBoard, sorry for saying that about the crew from courses 1, 2 and 3, I just meant some of them, but of course there's lovely people from those courses. I'm sure you're a great employee for what I can read on your posts. My apologies."
Wops - shot your boss in the foot perhaps?
"PS: JAL-Stacey, can u get over it? u dont work for Silverjet dear, dont u have any better things to do than talkin about ur old job? what an interesting life...u must have a much better job now LOL"
This thread was set up to tell people about Silverjet. Everything JAL-Stacey has said about Silverjet is true, something in Silverjet that often is not the case. It should be pretty obvious to you that JAL-Stacey has a better job Diesel36, and is telling other people to avoid making the same mistakes with Silverjet.
Bestonboard,
Wow - just when we thought you had gone forever, you have somehow 'found time' for more! Good to see you!
"Recruitment is led by HR and an Outsourced Recruitment company. I cannot speak for their methods I'm afraid."
Really. That's new and never happened until Diesel36's interview.
Perhaps judging by the comments here, we might consider making it more 'Sivilised' before there is no-one left willing to waste their time on the company. Judging by the fact that you know a lot or are involved with recruitment, it might be worth looking at this!
"Silverboy, I am inquisitive. In your original entrance to the discussion, you state that you are tired, and overworked. Experiencing more than 5 trips a month. At the moment, a great deal of crew are experiencing a higher volume of work. The basics come down to the fact that we still require a great deal of crew to operate for the arrival of aircraft 4 and 5."
The main motivation behind my post was to correct the woefully inaccurate statements from posters of '4 trips a month versus 7
', '4 to 6 hour standbys versus 8 hours 30 minutes', and 'rows of 3 back to back flights!'.Sure we need more crew, but a large part of the problem is not getting gullible people through the door, it's stopping people leaving when they really find out what life's like within!
"the majority of things that are coming across are airing on the negative side."
Precisely so - a reflection of within the company?
"Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching?"
Wow - mind-blowing stuff and I totally agree with you- really.
However instead of telling me, tell the management of the company, who at every opportunity fail to grasp this; this attitude being lead from the very top! Ops - forgot, they don't listen - silly me!
"If you were thinking outside of the box, would an ex employee, who was with the airline for less than 6 months be a great companion in waging a war?"
Reading into what you are saying, it sounds like another threat - standard day at Silverjet.
If you were thinking outside the box, you would realise that there is no greater ambassador for a company than happy ex-employee, who can quickly spread the word, even point people towards the company. It comes done to one basic principle - telling the truth!
"For it seems the path you are on does seem to be a lose/lose situation."
I appreciate your reasoning, and I am trying to do something about it, however whilst I am still here, and I still have 'moral' values, I only wish to tell the truth to interested individuals.
"May I ask what previous airlines you have worked for? For if you think that Silverjet is the most etc etc... I'm sorry, it begrudges me to twist our tag line in any way, I am intrigued to which work environment you are comparing it to."
You don't have to have work anywhere else to compare Silverjet. Look around you at crew members leaving, off on long term sickness, demoralised by their management. Every company in aviation has their own market place such as Ryanair and Easyjet, the difference is that those companies are actually quite well run when compared to Silverjet!
Silverjet's solution to the problem - throw more crew at the symptoms instead of addressing the problem itself. Wow - our company has so much in common with this government, maybe we should get Blair in to sort it out!
JAL-Stacey,
Good post!
Even the likes of easyJet and Bmibaby give you a minimum of 8 DO). I equally believe I have the duty to inform people and warn them about the so-called company Silverjet.
Totally correct, and without 3 back to back New York flights with Jet-lag!
"I do understand where you're coming from and your skewed plea though, you used to work for Ryanair, a company that employs mostly intellectually deficient people willing to be exploited, bullied and abused. Silverjet must unsurprisingly appear like the Golden Company to you..."
Perhaps a little harsh - everyone has a choice. The main point I would make is that the likes of BMI, Easy and Ryanair are relatively well run when compared to Silverjet!
"And again, it's up to people reading the thread to make up their mind, not you."
Tell the truth and let people make their own minds up! Simple!
Hi Morissette,
"You gotta be slightly feeble-minded to have to pay for your training, an ugly uniform, car park pass and work for a company that pays peanuts and doesn't provide crew with any food !
Couldn't agree more with the above statement! Working for Ryanair is an irrefutable proof of imbecility!"
Everyone has a place and choice in this world. Ryanair is still in business, which is more than I feel Silverjet will be in the future, unless the top management wake up and grasp the issues raised on here. Mike O'Leary is a bright guy at the top with a good concept, something our company shares in common. Unfortunately that's where the good similarities stop!!! At least with Ryanair, you get what it say's on the tin; nothing is further from the truth with Silverjet.
flygirl28,
Thanks for the post.
"Healthy debate is always welcome and everyone is entitled to their own opinions with regards to how they view their employment or ex employment at Silverjet.Its very easy to think the grass is greener elsewhere. For those of us that have flown before, we know this isn't true and to a certain extent every airline has its sh*t its just that it is dealt with a different shovel! I do think that when people change airline (and they change for a reason)they suddenly don rose tinted glasses with regards to their previous employment."
I think if you read carefully the posts on here, most of them don't say that, more just telling it as it is.
"Of course, the other choice is to leave....and before you shout again that you 'need the job and the money, and their is no where else to go blah blah blah', we all know that not to be true....if its making you that miserable stop whinging and do something about it...."
Try doing that on 7 flights a month, 3 back to backs and living in a tube - it's not easy. I could go sick for an interview, but that will just come back and hit me in the face with another back to back later in the month on a standby day!
"Personally i think we have one of the best crews i have ever worked with, who are incredably motivated, fun and want the company to succeed. As for the management i find them to be accomodating, approachable and open to suggestions. Try talking to them, you might just be suprised by the response that you get."
Yes some of the cabin crew are excellent, but this is not a reflection on the company more the individual's approach to the job. As for talking to the management, wow - you must be a mind reader.
Spot on! I have tried and been totally surprised by the responses I have received! Put up, shut up or leave!! Accomodating, approachable, open to suggestions - are you sure you have the right airline thread, because that's not Silverjet for sure!
Well I'm off for some rest before my next flight.
Happy flying, job hunting, sleeping e.t.c.
Silver Boy.x
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Hello there,
After I read your article, I start to rethink my decision. Currently, I am work for long haul carrier as senior purser. I get offer as flight coordinator with sliverjet. They told me that I can apply for IM after 6 monthes. I need to resign from my current position first , then join sliver jet. It is very hard decision to make.So many questions in my mind. I was wondering how many flights do u need to operate each month? is pay good? etc...
Plz help me out, before I resign.
many thanks!
After I read your article, I start to rethink my decision. Currently, I am work for long haul carrier as senior purser. I get offer as flight coordinator with sliverjet. They told me that I can apply for IM after 6 monthes. I need to resign from my current position first , then join sliver jet. It is very hard decision to make.So many questions in my mind. I was wondering how many flights do u need to operate each month? is pay good? etc...
Plz help me out, before I resign.
many thanks!
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Thank you for your information.
Hello Stacey,
Thank you for your information.It is very helpful. I was wondering how many days off you have each month roughly? Also,after back to back, how many days off ?I have been told that they are normally operating 5 flights to 5 and half a month. Did you ever have quite month which have more days off, due to busy month previously?How many people can you nominate to have discounted travel? How many free ticket do you entitle to have per year?Do you need to pay your own medical check and car park?
I am so sorry about my questions, as I really want to know more before I get into it.
Many thanks for your time .
regards,
Sunny
Thank you for your information.It is very helpful. I was wondering how many days off you have each month roughly? Also,after back to back, how many days off ?I have been told that they are normally operating 5 flights to 5 and half a month. Did you ever have quite month which have more days off, due to busy month previously?How many people can you nominate to have discounted travel? How many free ticket do you entitle to have per year?Do you need to pay your own medical check and car park?
I am so sorry about my questions, as I really want to know more before I get into it.
Many thanks for your time .
regards,
Sunny
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Hi Sunnysunny,
"I was wondering how many flights do u need to operate each month? is pay good? etc..."
Best place to look is through the posts already on this thread to date.
As JAL-Stacey says you can expect the following:
7 flights rostered a month, each covering 3 days.
Plenty of standby days
Several back to backs - i.e. arrive back from New York / Dubai and out again straight away the next day.
Personally I find these very hard, and the most I have had is 3 in a row, after which only 2 days off, absolutely exhausted due to the lack of sleep!!!
Pay is industry average:
Cabin Crew £10500 plus £2.75 an hour duty pay (dp)
IFSC £14000 (£14500) plus dp
IFM £17000 plus dp
As JAL-Stacey says around £1500 a month after tax, anything over that and you'll know you have worked for it.
There are many people leaving / off sick at the moment so don't figure on not being called on your standby days. Best way of describing it is long-haul flying on a short-haul roster!!
Interview process appears to pick out the 'quite ones', although I cannot directly comment on this having been with the company for a year now.
Promotion - yes there is, but it's hugely competitive within the company and there is plenty of back-stabbing going by people to achieve what they want.
Best advice to you, quoting what other people have said - ' is the grass isn't always greener' - meaning if you are broadly happy where you are, then it's probably not worth the gamble!
Have a good read of everything that everyone has said on this thread and then make up your own mind, but for what it's worth I am trying to leave!
If you have any other questions please do not hesitate to ask.
Good luck job hunting!
Silver Boy. x
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"I was wondering how many flights do u need to operate each month? is pay good? etc..."
Best place to look is through the posts already on this thread to date.
As JAL-Stacey says you can expect the following:
7 flights rostered a month, each covering 3 days.
Plenty of standby days
Several back to backs - i.e. arrive back from New York / Dubai and out again straight away the next day.
Personally I find these very hard, and the most I have had is 3 in a row, after which only 2 days off, absolutely exhausted due to the lack of sleep!!!
Pay is industry average:
Cabin Crew £10500 plus £2.75 an hour duty pay (dp)
IFSC £14000 (£14500) plus dp
IFM £17000 plus dp
As JAL-Stacey says around £1500 a month after tax, anything over that and you'll know you have worked for it.
There are many people leaving / off sick at the moment so don't figure on not being called on your standby days. Best way of describing it is long-haul flying on a short-haul roster!!
Interview process appears to pick out the 'quite ones', although I cannot directly comment on this having been with the company for a year now.
Promotion - yes there is, but it's hugely competitive within the company and there is plenty of back-stabbing going by people to achieve what they want.
Best advice to you, quoting what other people have said - ' is the grass isn't always greener' - meaning if you are broadly happy where you are, then it's probably not worth the gamble!
Have a good read of everything that everyone has said on this thread and then make up your own mind, but for what it's worth I am trying to leave!
If you have any other questions please do not hesitate to ask.
Good luck job hunting!
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Hello there,
Thank you for all your information
. I also would like to know that how many friend and family members can you nominate to have discount travel
? For crew self, how many free tickets which are entitled? I have been told that normally you are expecting 5 to 5 1/2 flights a month. If in certain month, you have 7 flights
, will u have quiter month afterwards?as by law, you only allow to fly 900 hours a year.
Also, is company paying for your medical checkup and car park at Luton airport? Finally, how many days off you have roughtly a month?
So sorry that I have so many questions to ask, as it is a really hard decision to make
.
Many thanks for your time and help
.
Regards,
Sunny
Thank you for all your information
. I also would like to know that how many friend and family members can you nominate to have discount travel? For crew self, how many free tickets which are entitled? I have been told that normally you are expecting 5 to 5 1/2 flights a month. If in certain month, you have 7 flights
, will u have quiter month afterwards?as by law, you only allow to fly 900 hours a year. Also, is company paying for your medical checkup and car park at Luton airport? Finally, how many days off you have roughtly a month?So sorry that I have so many questions to ask, as it is a really hard decision to make
.Many thanks for your time and help
.Regards,
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Hi Sunny, I think I had my interview with you.... I was also offered to SC position after being told in my 121 that there was no way I would be considered for the IFM position as my flying experience was over 3 years ago even though this was the role I applied for and was invited to interview for!!
Silverjet seem like a great company and I am sure they will do well but as I need some roster stability and the lack of structure to rostering trips with back to backs and no standard MBTR days off etc just isn't for me at the moment. That combined with out of town hotels and not great money has helped my decision, along with all the posts on here so thanks to all of you for your open and honest opinions of the company.
Sunny, if you are who I think you are then I think you should think very carefully as the grass isn't always greener but having said that, if all goes to plan at Silverjet I am sure things will settle down and the chances for promotion seem to be good.
I have been offered a position with BA at LHR but am currently in the hold pool so am going to take my chances on that for now, maybe I'll see you in the future if it doesn't work out!
Best of luck everyone!
VS2BA
Silverjet seem like a great company and I am sure they will do well but as I need some roster stability and the lack of structure to rostering trips with back to backs and no standard MBTR days off etc just isn't for me at the moment. That combined with out of town hotels and not great money has helped my decision, along with all the posts on here so thanks to all of you for your open and honest opinions of the company.
Sunny, if you are who I think you are then I think you should think very carefully as the grass isn't always greener but having said that, if all goes to plan at Silverjet I am sure things will settle down and the chances for promotion seem to be good.
I have been offered a position with BA at LHR but am currently in the hold pool so am going to take my chances on that for now, maybe I'll see you in the future if it doesn't work out!
Best of luck everyone!
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VS2BA, I am sorry you won't be joining us. In regards to the Role of IFM, I am sure you can appreciate you would be in charge of a team of 10 cabin crew on board a wide bodied Long haul aircraft (and responsible for their welfare whilst they are down route). The CAA do stipulate rules and regulations to the recency of your flying experience to be a senior member of crew.
I hope the discussions on here have given you some insight, and have enabled you to make an informed decision.
In regards to roster stability. I believe recruitment will be taking place on a weekly basis next year and when our numbers increase (we do require approximately 350 crew for 5 aircraft) Rosters should stablise with a higher degree of regularity.
Salary payments are highly subjective. Thanks to Silverboy et al for providing examples. If you take into account the fact that you are paid your basic whether your are flying or not (I can quote that some clerical assistants earn a lower basic than our cabin crew salary, and they do not have the benefit of flight pay, uprank payments etc.) It is basic math, take your basic salary and deduct PAYE and NIC. Then work out your duty hours, multiply this by the flight pay rate and add this on top of your basic. You will get a pretty good idea of how much you can expect to receive. The more you work, the more you receive!
Our benefits do include staff travel concessions (including discounted rates at the hotels we use), a non contributory pension scheme, 28 days annual leave (plus wrap around days), RDO's on a monthly basis if you wish, service awards, permanent contracts (subject to receipt of CRC and successfully gaining a US Visa and Airport ID) plus other benefits which are unfortunatley a little morbid including death in duty insurance and full medical insurance whilst on duty (including the commute to and from base.)
I appreciate that other long haul carriers do offer sector pay and allowances down route, which for some are beneficial. The industry we work in is subject to delays unfortunately. An aircraft is a machine and it requires maintenance. Take into account other elements such as the human factor, FTL, weather and even diversions etc for operational requirements, and you will not receive any extra payment on sector pay basis (unless your duty hours are extremely extended.) With flight pay you are paid an hourly rate from check in to check out, covering any eventualities that may arise.
It is worthwhile taking this all into account when considering accepting your position or not.
Our team are not 'the norm' when it comes to the role of cabin crew. Yes we are expected to work. Flying for a previous legacy carrier, I am sure you can appreciate a business or club class cabin does not typically hold 102 customers, and more often than not you will only be operating from one galley to cater for their needs. When you have an aircraft capable of holding 300 people, reduced to accepting just 102 business class customers, the size of the aircraft doesn't change. On a busy flight, you will know you are earning your money. If you take into the account the reason you want to be crew though, having the chance to be able to talk to your customers and get to know them a little better within an approximate 7 and a half hour flight time to NYC, rather than having to rush and race to try and complete several services to a greater number of people within the same time allotted, the benefits and personal rewards are there.
We are a dynamic growing airline, who has very recently secured further funding for increased expansion. We will be going places. To have expanded from no aircraft to three non conventional refits and cabin types within a year is somewhat of an achievement I believe. The future is looking very bright for us.
The inaugral crews commenced training approximately a year ago now, and what a year it has been. To be able to have such a hands on approach to developing our service and standards, and seeing it come into effect does promote a sence of ownership and posession. There are a great number of the Silverjet Set that are out there that are very proud to say they work for 'The Worlds Most Sivilised Airline'. Having won several awards in less than a year of operation, above 80 percent load factors, constantly increasing revenue customers and a great on time performance (we have had technical issues and some severe delays, please do not get me wrong, but if you look at things on the grand scale, we are doing exceptionally well.)
We have a great mix of individuals within our onboard team. Unfortunately within every work environment, you cannot please all of the people, all of the time. Whether this be an office, a factory or indeed onboard an aircraft. During my time here, I have seen some amazing individuals join and leave us. A personal decision in the majority of cases, and I truly wish them all well in whatever endeavours they pursue.
Some are not over pleased with the Assessment centres they have attended. It is worth noting that these days are as much for your benefit, alongside that of the company. You have to determine if becoming part of the crew is going to be right for you. We have to determine if you have got what it takes to consistently deliver a standard of service that we expect. Believe it or not, the experience that our recruitment team have is overwhelming. The fact that our outsourced recruiters are impartial to Silverjet (they do recruit for many airlines and other companies throughout the world) may be seen as a deficit, or a benefit.
One year on in Silverjet, and I can honestly say I am as motivated and driven to deliver the Silver standard as I was from day one, if not more. Contrary to what may have been previously posted, I am not one to either put up or shut up (my mouth can be my own worst enemy at times...) Fingers crossed I am still progressing well.
I too have experienced high pressure working conditions, minimum rest, back to back trips (I am in between one now)... Personally having some of the highest flying hours for a crew member over the past year, I am still keen and enthusiastic.
Not everything can be standardised, and perception and individuality are key factors in how you deal with your day to day life. What one person may thrive on, another may be in dismay at.
There are times you have to take a step back, and think outside of the 'tube' and contemplate... I can fully empathise for those who do not see things the same way I do. Their perception of Silverjet is their own. No one can take that away from them, for that is their right.
I would just encourage anybody who is interested, to take the chance and make your own mind up.
On a final note, for those of us who aren't as happy as they would like to be, and who a trying to leave us, I wish you every success in your future career, wherever it may take you. I would like to thank you on behalf of myself and the rest of the team for your hard work up to this point. However, I cannot speak for everybody, and some may have a different viewpoint to me...
Safe and Happy flying to all of you out there...
BoB
Silverjet - Changing Air Travel Forever...
I hope the discussions on here have given you some insight, and have enabled you to make an informed decision.
In regards to roster stability. I believe recruitment will be taking place on a weekly basis next year and when our numbers increase (we do require approximately 350 crew for 5 aircraft) Rosters should stablise with a higher degree of regularity.
Salary payments are highly subjective. Thanks to Silverboy et al for providing examples. If you take into account the fact that you are paid your basic whether your are flying or not (I can quote that some clerical assistants earn a lower basic than our cabin crew salary, and they do not have the benefit of flight pay, uprank payments etc.) It is basic math, take your basic salary and deduct PAYE and NIC. Then work out your duty hours, multiply this by the flight pay rate and add this on top of your basic. You will get a pretty good idea of how much you can expect to receive. The more you work, the more you receive!
Our benefits do include staff travel concessions (including discounted rates at the hotels we use), a non contributory pension scheme, 28 days annual leave (plus wrap around days), RDO's on a monthly basis if you wish, service awards, permanent contracts (subject to receipt of CRC and successfully gaining a US Visa and Airport ID) plus other benefits which are unfortunatley a little morbid including death in duty insurance and full medical insurance whilst on duty (including the commute to and from base.)
I appreciate that other long haul carriers do offer sector pay and allowances down route, which for some are beneficial. The industry we work in is subject to delays unfortunately. An aircraft is a machine and it requires maintenance. Take into account other elements such as the human factor, FTL, weather and even diversions etc for operational requirements, and you will not receive any extra payment on sector pay basis (unless your duty hours are extremely extended.) With flight pay you are paid an hourly rate from check in to check out, covering any eventualities that may arise.
It is worthwhile taking this all into account when considering accepting your position or not.
Our team are not 'the norm' when it comes to the role of cabin crew. Yes we are expected to work. Flying for a previous legacy carrier, I am sure you can appreciate a business or club class cabin does not typically hold 102 customers, and more often than not you will only be operating from one galley to cater for their needs. When you have an aircraft capable of holding 300 people, reduced to accepting just 102 business class customers, the size of the aircraft doesn't change. On a busy flight, you will know you are earning your money. If you take into the account the reason you want to be crew though, having the chance to be able to talk to your customers and get to know them a little better within an approximate 7 and a half hour flight time to NYC, rather than having to rush and race to try and complete several services to a greater number of people within the same time allotted, the benefits and personal rewards are there.
We are a dynamic growing airline, who has very recently secured further funding for increased expansion. We will be going places. To have expanded from no aircraft to three non conventional refits and cabin types within a year is somewhat of an achievement I believe. The future is looking very bright for us.
The inaugral crews commenced training approximately a year ago now, and what a year it has been. To be able to have such a hands on approach to developing our service and standards, and seeing it come into effect does promote a sence of ownership and posession. There are a great number of the Silverjet Set that are out there that are very proud to say they work for 'The Worlds Most Sivilised Airline'. Having won several awards in less than a year of operation, above 80 percent load factors, constantly increasing revenue customers and a great on time performance (we have had technical issues and some severe delays, please do not get me wrong, but if you look at things on the grand scale, we are doing exceptionally well.)
We have a great mix of individuals within our onboard team. Unfortunately within every work environment, you cannot please all of the people, all of the time. Whether this be an office, a factory or indeed onboard an aircraft. During my time here, I have seen some amazing individuals join and leave us. A personal decision in the majority of cases, and I truly wish them all well in whatever endeavours they pursue.
Some are not over pleased with the Assessment centres they have attended. It is worth noting that these days are as much for your benefit, alongside that of the company. You have to determine if becoming part of the crew is going to be right for you. We have to determine if you have got what it takes to consistently deliver a standard of service that we expect. Believe it or not, the experience that our recruitment team have is overwhelming. The fact that our outsourced recruiters are impartial to Silverjet (they do recruit for many airlines and other companies throughout the world) may be seen as a deficit, or a benefit.
One year on in Silverjet, and I can honestly say I am as motivated and driven to deliver the Silver standard as I was from day one, if not more. Contrary to what may have been previously posted, I am not one to either put up or shut up (my mouth can be my own worst enemy at times...) Fingers crossed I am still progressing well.
I too have experienced high pressure working conditions, minimum rest, back to back trips (I am in between one now)... Personally having some of the highest flying hours for a crew member over the past year, I am still keen and enthusiastic.
Not everything can be standardised, and perception and individuality are key factors in how you deal with your day to day life. What one person may thrive on, another may be in dismay at.
There are times you have to take a step back, and think outside of the 'tube' and contemplate... I can fully empathise for those who do not see things the same way I do. Their perception of Silverjet is their own. No one can take that away from them, for that is their right.
I would just encourage anybody who is interested, to take the chance and make your own mind up.
On a final note, for those of us who aren't as happy as they would like to be, and who a trying to leave us, I wish you every success in your future career, wherever it may take you. I would like to thank you on behalf of myself and the rest of the team for your hard work up to this point. However, I cannot speak for everybody, and some may have a different viewpoint to me...
Safe and Happy flying to all of you out there...
BoB
Silverjet - Changing Air Travel Forever...
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Hi.... I hope you will consider us...
My esteemed coleague and ex colleague have answered some of your enquiries.
In regards to medical checks and car park etc... These are all funded by the company. You will be expected to pay some initial costs in gaining a visa and criminal record check, but the company will reimburse you.
The rate of approximately 5.5 trips a month is an average quote (taking into account the 900 hours rule, you are allocated approximately one calendar months annual leave... 900 hours divided by 11 months, does work out at an average of 5.5 trips per month, working from our typical duty time)
By law you have to receive your minimum days off. Whether this be 1 in 7, 2 in 14 etc.
"7 flights rostered a month, each covering 3 days.
Plenty of standby days
Several back to backs"
To quote Silverboys post.... In this case, supported by evidence from JAL-Stacey...
Taking into account the majority of months have 31 days...
7 Flights ... 21 days duty
6 Days off (According to JAL-stacey)
By my calculations that is 27 days??? So that would mean 4 days of either standby or contactable. Plenty is a subjective term. A lot to one individual, may be nothing to another.
Staff travel concessions include nominating family/partners and friends as travel companions, and alongside receiving free flights, you nominated travel companions can fly all business class to any of our destinations, as often as they like, for an extremely discounted fare...
I hope this helps, and good luck with your decision making... I hope you make the right choice for you!
BoB
Very Sivilised
My esteemed coleague and ex colleague have answered some of your enquiries.
In regards to medical checks and car park etc... These are all funded by the company. You will be expected to pay some initial costs in gaining a visa and criminal record check, but the company will reimburse you.
The rate of approximately 5.5 trips a month is an average quote (taking into account the 900 hours rule, you are allocated approximately one calendar months annual leave... 900 hours divided by 11 months, does work out at an average of 5.5 trips per month, working from our typical duty time)
By law you have to receive your minimum days off. Whether this be 1 in 7, 2 in 14 etc.
"7 flights rostered a month, each covering 3 days.
Plenty of standby days
Several back to backs"
To quote Silverboys post.... In this case, supported by evidence from JAL-Stacey...
Taking into account the majority of months have 31 days...
7 Flights ... 21 days duty
6 Days off (According to JAL-stacey)
By my calculations that is 27 days??? So that would mean 4 days of either standby or contactable. Plenty is a subjective term. A lot to one individual, may be nothing to another.
Staff travel concessions include nominating family/partners and friends as travel companions, and alongside receiving free flights, you nominated travel companions can fly all business class to any of our destinations, as often as they like, for an extremely discounted fare...
I hope this helps, and good luck with your decision making... I hope you make the right choice for you!
BoB
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BOB,
I think Silverjet is a great company and will continue to do well. The only position I could afford to leave my current role for was the IFM position which is why I studied the advertised requirements carefully (includiing 2 years minimum flying experience - no mention of recency) and applied and accepted an interview for that role.
I am really disappointed not to be able to join the company but simply cannot afford to at present. Having worked for an airline before I understand that you accept a lifestyle that requires you to be flexible, however, I also understand that MBTR, days off etc are vital to maintain a healthy work/life balance which is in the interests of both employer and employee.
I appreciate your comments and can honestly say that I have taken everything you have said into account when making my decision.
I wish everyone applying to Silverjet the best of luck and believe that all comments on this thread and infomation provided at the interview combined with each individuals personal circumstances will ensure they make a decision that is right for them.
I think Silverjet is a great company and will continue to do well. The only position I could afford to leave my current role for was the IFM position which is why I studied the advertised requirements carefully (includiing 2 years minimum flying experience - no mention of recency) and applied and accepted an interview for that role.
I am really disappointed not to be able to join the company but simply cannot afford to at present. Having worked for an airline before I understand that you accept a lifestyle that requires you to be flexible, however, I also understand that MBTR, days off etc are vital to maintain a healthy work/life balance which is in the interests of both employer and employee.
I appreciate your comments and can honestly say that I have taken everything you have said into account when making my decision.
I wish everyone applying to Silverjet the best of luck and believe that all comments on this thread and infomation provided at the interview combined with each individuals personal circumstances will ensure they make a decision that is right for them.
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We are a dynamic growing airline, who has very recently secured further funding for increased expansion. We will be going places. To have expanded from no aircraft to three non conventional refits and cabin types within a year is somewhat of an achievement I believe. The future is looking very bright for us.
In April 2007 they raised £26million by issueing new shares at 180p/share.
At the end of september they had only £14million left and the accounts were quailfied with a comment from the accountants about them not being a going concern unless the raised more cash.
Yesterday the reported they were to raise £22 million by issueing new shares at 60p/share and a loan convertable to shares at the same 60p/share.
The planes are sold off to a leasing firm. Most of the cash has been burned running the airline at a massive loss. The future will only be bright if the crude oil price drops back a lot.
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Sorry to butt-in but the 900 hours a year rule only applies to flight deck, not cabin crew 
Also, I don't believe 6 days off a month is legal - think the minimum is 7 with an average over 3 months of 8 days off per month (ie - must have 24 days off in 3 months) 
Also, I don't believe 6 days off a month is legal - think the minimum is 7 with an average over 3 months of 8 days off per month (ie - must have 24 days off in 3 months)
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Think that's just from my companys' FTL - I have been known to be wrong once or twice 
I think that 6 is the absolute minimum though, it is basically your 1 off in 8 and 2 consecutive in 14 days off
I think that 6 is the absolute minimum though, it is basically your 1 off in 8 and 2 consecutive in 14 days off
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900 flying hours now apply to Cabin Crew - Working Time Directive
Correct about the days off
Jal - did you have any days off down route - these legally can count but not ideal
befree - accountants comment about going concern mentioned again in report out yesterday also, even Directors seemed to suggest it although they were conifident of getting the loan
900 flying hours now apply to Cabin Crew - Working Time Directive
Correct about the days off
Jal - did you have any days off down route - these legally can count but not ideal
befree - accountants comment about going concern mentioned again in report out yesterday also, even Directors seemed to suggest it although they were conifident of getting the loan
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Silverjet - The Unsivilised Place to Work (going bust?)
Hello Best on Board,
Great your out of retirement and back on board! Like the colour of your text - really!
The first half of your post explains the terms & conditions of Silverjet which is all correct - the only point I would add is nothing there is over and above other airlines, and some benefits provided by other airlines, as you have quite rightly pointed out, are not there. Nothing sets it out from the rest!
"Contrary to what may have been previously posted, I am not one to either put up or shut up (my mouth can be my own worst enemy at times...) Fingers crossed I am still progressing well."
No one has suggested that you personally put-up and shut up, rather that when talking to Silverjet management that's the response you will receive, unless of course you have a different channel to them?
"I too have experienced high pressure working conditions, minimum rest, back to back trips (I am in between one now)... Personally having some of the highest flying hours for a crew member over the past year, I am still keen and enthusiastic."
Anyone working in the cabin crew world will know that the job is hard work, but in Silverjet it is the combined maximum legal rostering with poor management that sets it apart. I am pleased you are still keen and enthusiastic - it is obvious that your operation to be assimilated into the Silverjet Borg was a success, and mine was not!
"Personally having some of the highest flying hours for a crew member over the past year"
How do you know this? Do you have special access to all our records or are you just making assumptions that you fly more than myself and others?
"Not everything can be standardised, and perception and individuality are key factors in how you deal with your day to day life. What one person may thrive on, another may be in dismay at."
Absolutely right - however after a year now you would start to think that the company would be putting things right wouldn't you?
"There are times you have to take a step back, and think outside of the 'tube'
We have moved on from thinking outside the box now, tube today, what next the Borg mothership?
and contemplate... I can fully empathise for those who do not see things the same way I do. Their perception of Silverjet is their own. No one can take that away from them, for that is their right."
Blimey - you have changed your tune from previous posts!
"On a final note, for those of us who aren't as happy as they would like to be, and who a trying to leave us, I wish you every success in your future career, wherever it may take you. I would like to thank you on behalf of myself and the rest of the team for your hard work up to this point. However, I cannot speak for everybody, and some may have a different viewpoint to me..."
Are you sure your still Best on Board?
"My esteemed coleague"
Are you feeling alright? - you'll be sending me a Christmas card next!
"The rate of approximately 5.5 trips a month is an average quote (taking into account the 900 hours rule, you are allocated approximately one calendar months annual leave... 900 hours divided by 11 months, does work out at an average of 5.5 trips per month, working from our typical duty time)"
Now we are talking numbers - and this is where the problem lies.
Because of insufficent numbers we are being worked to the limits at the moment of 7 trips a month. Sure in the long term the averages have to be addressed and we have some crew members doing less than this to address their high hours. But with continued expansion, and high levels of people leaving, and high levels of sickness, I do not see an end to it.
"7 Flights ... 21 days duty
6 Days off (According to JAL-stacey)
By my calculations that is 27 days??? So that would mean 4 days of either standby or contactable. Plenty is a subjective term. A lot to one individual, may be nothing to another."
Six days a month I have experienced. And remember whenever you have leave the rostering department count those days towards your legal minimum. The legal amount I am told is an average of 8 days off, so some months expect less and some more, and you leave to count towards the minimum!
"Staff travel concessions include nominating family/partners and friends as travel companions, and alongside receiving free flights, you nominated travel companions can fly all business class to any of our destinations, as often as they like, for an extremely discounted fare..."
So what's new. Most airlines offer this?
The main point is Silverjet work you to the legal limits, with Back to Back flights in their plenty which are very fatiguing and combined with poor management does not make it compare very favourably with other airlines.
V2BA
"I am really disappointed not to be able to join the company but simply cannot afford to at present. Having worked for an airline before I understand that you accept a lifestyle that requires you to be flexible, however, I also understand that MBTR, days off etc are vital to maintain a healthy work/life balance which is in the interests of both employer and employee."
The last line of your paragraph says it all, and if our company could only realise this then perhaps it would start to morph into a company that would lead the industry. Sure we have to be competitive, but not at the expense of people's health and well-being.
DrPat,
Thanks for the post and you are most welcome.
"Sorry to butt-in but the 900 hours a year rule only applies to flight deck, not cabin crew Also, I don't believe 6 days off a month is legal - think the minimum is 7 with an average over 3 months of 8 days off per month (ie - must have 24 days off in 3 months) "
AFAIK the rules apply to cabin crew in the same way as flight crew, albeit in a more diluted form, after asking one of our pilots, i.e. we can work slightly harder. As for days off, leave counts towards days off, so if you have a month with leave in it you can count on a very hard month to follow.
JAL-Stacey,
Good to hear from you.
"Because if that was the case, They conned me BIG TIME."
The con continues - believe me!!!
Hi Flygirl28,
"would love to see the roster where you are only getting 6 days off.....i doubt very much that that is the case."
Believe me it happens, as said earlier, it cannot continue long term (I hope), but I have had such a roster!
Befree,
Thanks for the post, i think
"In May 2006 they raised £25.3 million by an IPO at 112p/share
In April 2007 they raised £26million by issueing new shares at 180p/share.
At the end of september they had only £14million left and the accounts were quailfied with a comment from the accountants about them not being a going concern unless the raised more cash.
Yesterday the reported they were to raise £22 million by issueing new shares at 60p/share and a loan convertable to shares at the same 60p/share.
The planes are sold off to a leasing firm. Most of the cash has been burned running the airline at a massive loss. The future will only be bright if the crude oil price drops back a lot."
I saw this post in New York and started asking questions, unfortunately I think what you are saying is correct.
I have been told the following:
The company is losing £250,000 a week!
That some accountants have said that the company is not a going concern!
That we need to carry 80+ passengers on each flight to survive.
That the latest action to raise further money is a last ditch attempt.
I am not a financial whiz, however I can tell you that I am not seeing 80+ passengers on all my flights.
Befree, where did you find this information, and where can we find out more?
Brilliant, just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, now the company I work for is broke.
Better check the payslip this month, that's if I have the energy to do so!!
Time to put the CV into overdrive I think!!......
Happy flying, job hunting e.t.c.
Silver Boy. x
Silverjet - The Unsivilised Place to Work (going bust?)
Great your out of retirement and back on board! Like the colour of your text - really!
The first half of your post explains the terms & conditions of Silverjet which is all correct - the only point I would add is nothing there is over and above other airlines, and some benefits provided by other airlines, as you have quite rightly pointed out, are not there. Nothing sets it out from the rest!
"Contrary to what may have been previously posted, I am not one to either put up or shut up (my mouth can be my own worst enemy at times...) Fingers crossed I am still progressing well."
No one has suggested that you personally put-up and shut up, rather that when talking to Silverjet management that's the response you will receive, unless of course you have a different channel to them?
"I too have experienced high pressure working conditions, minimum rest, back to back trips (I am in between one now)... Personally having some of the highest flying hours for a crew member over the past year, I am still keen and enthusiastic."
Anyone working in the cabin crew world will know that the job is hard work, but in Silverjet it is the combined maximum legal rostering with poor management that sets it apart. I am pleased you are still keen and enthusiastic - it is obvious that your operation to be assimilated into the Silverjet Borg was a success, and mine was not!
"Personally having some of the highest flying hours for a crew member over the past year"
How do you know this? Do you have special access to all our records or are you just making assumptions that you fly more than myself and others?
"Not everything can be standardised, and perception and individuality are key factors in how you deal with your day to day life. What one person may thrive on, another may be in dismay at."
Absolutely right - however after a year now you would start to think that the company would be putting things right wouldn't you?
"There are times you have to take a step back, and think outside of the 'tube'
We have moved on from thinking outside the box now, tube today, what next the Borg mothership?
and contemplate... I can fully empathise for those who do not see things the same way I do. Their perception of Silverjet is their own. No one can take that away from them, for that is their right."
Blimey - you have changed your tune from previous posts!
"On a final note, for those of us who aren't as happy as they would like to be, and who a trying to leave us, I wish you every success in your future career, wherever it may take you. I would like to thank you on behalf of myself and the rest of the team for your hard work up to this point. However, I cannot speak for everybody, and some may have a different viewpoint to me..."
Are you sure your still Best on Board?
"My esteemed coleague"
Are you feeling alright? - you'll be sending me a Christmas card next!
"The rate of approximately 5.5 trips a month is an average quote (taking into account the 900 hours rule, you are allocated approximately one calendar months annual leave... 900 hours divided by 11 months, does work out at an average of 5.5 trips per month, working from our typical duty time)"
Now we are talking numbers - and this is where the problem lies.
Because of insufficent numbers we are being worked to the limits at the moment of 7 trips a month. Sure in the long term the averages have to be addressed and we have some crew members doing less than this to address their high hours. But with continued expansion, and high levels of people leaving, and high levels of sickness, I do not see an end to it.
"7 Flights ... 21 days duty
6 Days off (According to JAL-stacey)
By my calculations that is 27 days??? So that would mean 4 days of either standby or contactable. Plenty is a subjective term. A lot to one individual, may be nothing to another."
Six days a month I have experienced. And remember whenever you have leave the rostering department count those days towards your legal minimum. The legal amount I am told is an average of 8 days off, so some months expect less and some more, and you leave to count towards the minimum!
"Staff travel concessions include nominating family/partners and friends as travel companions, and alongside receiving free flights, you nominated travel companions can fly all business class to any of our destinations, as often as they like, for an extremely discounted fare..."
So what's new. Most airlines offer this?
The main point is Silverjet work you to the legal limits, with Back to Back flights in their plenty which are very fatiguing and combined with poor management does not make it compare very favourably with other airlines.
V2BA
"I am really disappointed not to be able to join the company but simply cannot afford to at present. Having worked for an airline before I understand that you accept a lifestyle that requires you to be flexible, however, I also understand that MBTR, days off etc are vital to maintain a healthy work/life balance which is in the interests of both employer and employee."
The last line of your paragraph says it all, and if our company could only realise this then perhaps it would start to morph into a company that would lead the industry.
Sure we have to be competitive, but not at the expense of people's health and well-being.DrPat,
Thanks for the post and you are most welcome.
"Sorry to butt-in but the 900 hours a year rule only applies to flight deck, not cabin crew
Also, I don't believe 6 days off a month is legal - think the minimum is 7 with an average over 3 months of 8 days off per month (ie - must have 24 days off in 3 months) " AFAIK the rules apply to cabin crew in the same way as flight crew, albeit in a more diluted form, after asking one of our pilots, i.e. we can work slightly harder. As for days off, leave counts towards days off, so if you have a month with leave in it you can count on a very hard month to follow.
JAL-Stacey,
Good to hear from you.
"Because if that was the case, They conned me BIG TIME."
The con continues - believe me!!!
Hi Flygirl28,
"would love to see the roster where you are only getting 6 days off.....i doubt very much that that is the case."
Believe me it happens, as said earlier, it cannot continue long term (I hope), but I have had such a roster!
Befree,
Thanks for the post, i think
"In May 2006 they raised £25.3 million by an IPO at 112p/share
In April 2007 they raised £26million by issueing new shares at 180p/share.
At the end of september they had only £14million left and the accounts were quailfied with a comment from the accountants about them not being a going concern unless the raised more cash.
Yesterday the reported they were to raise £22 million by issueing new shares at 60p/share and a loan convertable to shares at the same 60p/share.
The planes are sold off to a leasing firm. Most of the cash has been burned running the airline at a massive loss. The future will only be bright if the crude oil price drops back a lot."
I saw this post in New York and started asking questions, unfortunately I think what you are saying is correct.
I have been told the following:
The company is losing £250,000 a week!
That some accountants have said that the company is not a going concern!
That we need to carry 80+ passengers on each flight to survive.
That the latest action to raise further money is a last ditch attempt.
I am not a financial whiz, however I can tell you that I am not seeing 80+ passengers on all my flights.
Befree, where did you find this information, and where can we find out more?
Brilliant, just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, now the company I work for is broke.
Better check the payslip this month, that's if I have the energy to do so!!
Time to put the CV into overdrive I think!!......
Happy flying, job hunting e.t.c.
Silver Boy. x
Silverjet - The Unsivilised Place to Work (going bust?)