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Good posts, good discussion - but you must stop accusing each other of being 'Management'.
This is an anonymous board - you don't know, for sure, who anybody is: Speculation is pointless, and makes you look foolish.
Argue the points, not the person - who or what a person is has no bearing on the 'right-ness' or 'wrong-ness' of their position.
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Good posts, good discussion - but you must stop accusing each other of being 'Management'.
This is an anonymous board - you don't know, for sure, who anybody is: Speculation is pointless, and makes you look foolish.
Argue the points, not the person - who or what a person is has no bearing on the 'right-ness' or 'wrong-ness' of their position.
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I give you this thought of crew when you next fly – think of a duck on a calm lake heading towards the rapids, with its feet furiously paddling beneath the water to stay afloat!
Thank you. I will have that truly imaginative metaphor firmly in my mind throughout my flight to Newark week after next...
Out of interest, why doesn't the duck just fly away.....?
Thank you. I will have that truly imaginative metaphor firmly in my mind throughout my flight to Newark week after next...
Out of interest, why doesn't the duck just fly away.....?
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"I do work for Silverjet right here and now"...calm down love lol!
"Ginger Boy
Comparing Ryanair with Silverjet again is pointless. I do work for Silverjet right here and now"
- So do I dear
To all of you joining Silverjet soon:
Welcome to the company! And don't worry, there's people in the airline who still love being Silver! We don't work just to get the money to pay our bills! (how sad lol)
Anyway just enjoy your job cos it is great! we r really pleased to have new people coming! Red-eye I hope you have a good trip to the UK! The best thing u can do to find an accomodation is to ask the people directly, go to the Silverjet group in Facebook and ask the crew there (90% of the crew are listed there), but I would ask to some ppl from other airlines like Easyjet cos most of the crew in Silverjet live in other parts of the UK and come only when they fly and it's be better for u to live aroud Luton or north London. Hope u get a nice accomodation and i look fwd to flying with u soon! x
Comparing Ryanair with Silverjet again is pointless. I do work for Silverjet right here and now"
- So do I dear
To all of you joining Silverjet soon:
Welcome to the company! And don't worry, there's people in the airline who still love being Silver! We don't work just to get the money to pay our bills! (how sad lol)
Anyway just enjoy your job cos it is great! we r really pleased to have new people coming! Red-eye I hope you have a good trip to the UK! The best thing u can do to find an accomodation is to ask the people directly, go to the Silverjet group in Facebook and ask the crew there (90% of the crew are listed there), but I would ask to some ppl from other airlines like Easyjet cos most of the crew in Silverjet live in other parts of the UK and come only when they fly and it's be better for u to live aroud Luton or north London. Hope u get a nice accomodation and i look fwd to flying with u soon! x
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Hello Strake,
Thanks for the post.
"Out of interest, why doesn't the duck just fly away.....?"
I am looking, but being trapped for most of the time in an aluminium tube, or in a hotel room trying to catch up on missed sleep - "sorry on vacation as some would have you believe!
", makes it very difficult.
Glad you like the product - no argument there, just how it's produced!
Ginger Boy,
"Comparing Ryanair with Silverjet again is pointless. I do work for Silverjet right here and now"
- So do I dear"
It was you that questioned the validity of some of the information supplied on here e.g. myself still serving or JAL-Stacey who only left a month or so ago - not ages ago, and nothing has changed, if anything become worse!
"We don't work just to get the money to pay our bills!"
If you care to read my message carefully you will see that the comment was referring to leaving without going to another job. Despite waning enthusiasm, I still give my best to the job, however I cannot afford to live on thin air.
"I would ask to some ppl from other airlines like Easyjet"
To balance your argument I would also suggest asking those who are leaving as well, including those returning to previous companies, and even for EasyJet!
Happy flying / sleeping / job hunting e.t.c.........
Silver Boy x
Thanks for the post.
"Out of interest, why doesn't the duck just fly away.....?"
I am looking, but being trapped for most of the time in an aluminium tube, or in a hotel room trying to catch up on missed sleep - "sorry on vacation as some would have you believe!
", makes it very difficult.Glad you like the product - no argument there, just how it's produced!
Ginger Boy,
"Comparing Ryanair with Silverjet again is pointless. I do work for Silverjet right here and now"
- So do I dear"
It was you that questioned the validity of some of the information supplied on here e.g. myself still serving or JAL-Stacey who only left a month or so ago - not ages ago, and nothing has changed, if anything become worse!
"We don't work just to get the money to pay our bills!"
If you care to read my message carefully you will see that the comment was referring to leaving without going to another job. Despite waning enthusiasm, I still give my best to the job, however I cannot afford to live on thin air.
"I would ask to some ppl from other airlines like Easyjet"
To balance your argument I would also suggest asking those who are leaving as well, including those returning to previous companies, and even for EasyJet!
Happy flying / sleeping / job hunting e.t.c.........
Silver Boy x
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lets just enjoy the ride guy's..!! it's ok writing things on here but allot of it is miss leading to others ,now lets make our company into a more stronger one..now put down the handbags and pick up the lead.
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Silver Ginger Boy,
"U're right judder-100! There's no point"
Shame the people that have sent me private messages thanking me for an honest view of Silverjet don't agree with you!
judder-100
"now lets make our company into a more stronger one..now put down the handbags and pick up the lead."
Couldn't agree with you more. I have been waiting a year now and things in Silverjet have gone from bad to worse.
"it's ok writing things on here but allot of it is miss leading to others"
Don't get me wrong, Silverjet does have a few good points, but you really have to be wearing rose-tinted glasses not to notice all the bad in the company which starts right at the top! Some of the responses to negative people on this thread mimic exactly the responses from within the company!
A balanced argument needs views from both sides - something you do not get in Silverjet!
Happy Flying.
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"U're right judder-100! There's no point"
Shame the people that have sent me private messages thanking me for an honest view of Silverjet don't agree with you!
judder-100
"now lets make our company into a more stronger one..now put down the handbags and pick up the lead."
Couldn't agree with you more. I have been waiting a year now and things in Silverjet have gone from bad to worse.
"it's ok writing things on here but allot of it is miss leading to others"
Don't get me wrong, Silverjet does have a few good points, but you really have to be wearing rose-tinted glasses not to notice all the bad in the company which starts right at the top! Some of the responses to negative people on this thread mimic exactly the responses from within the company!
A balanced argument needs views from both sides - something you do not get in Silverjet!
Happy Flying.
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JAL-Stacey,
Good to hear your doing well!
"I don't understand though the position from people who just want to bury their head in the sand and unquestionably and blindly defend Silverjet. Do they realize they're being exploited or are they simply masochistic???"
Following the examples of the management I would suggest!
Perhaps the position is that if they show their heads they know they will be told to put up and shut up, otherwise their heads will be torn off.
"Do they realize they're being exploited or are they simply masochistic???"
It's a case of propaganda deliberately engineered by the company, lack of experience leading to nothing to compare with, and hollow promises. Come to think of it Silverjet has a lot in common with this government!!
737Chick,
Good to see you back!
"The majority (not all) lack the real skills to manage such a cabin operation and I feel in my personal opinion that this is part of the problem and not "Silverjet" as a company."
Couldn't agree with you more!! The concept is great. The guy at the top who thought it up rather switched on. The problem is the people he chooses to surround himself with, who lead badly from the top. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even know how bad things are!
"Cabin crew or employees are always going to have an opinion either way and as long as these opinions are voiced in the appropriate manner, I do feel that it it important to let everyone have their views."
Feedback is vital to any business especially aviation companies, in Silverjet it is positively inhibited.
"It is only a matter of time before the "fence" crew start realising that there are more moral boosting jobs out there. I can live with slightly lower wages but low moral is something that I don't think anyone enjoys...even management. Lets face it, it is becoming more and more apparent that Silverjet only really care about their reputation and not the crews.......crew issues never seem to be that important or at the very most take the back seat to everything else."
I agree, and it's only a matter of time before the momentum of the situation overtakes the airline. It is a great shame as I have said in previous posts. If only the management could wake-up from their self-deluding positions and realise that a company cannot function for long like this, then perhaps, and I mean perhaps, there would be a real chance of Silverjet turning around. I wouldn't want to bet on it though!
"I have been in the industry longer than some who speak on here but not as long as many others who I have seen come and go....and boy, have we lost some great crew and S/C's....I can think of a good few who I can say I had the pleasure to fly with."
I totally agree, some real stars have left for new lives and the company just shrugs it off almost happy to see talent go.
Good luck to them. Silverjets loss!!!
diesel36
"Any info on the interview much appreciated."
I joined a year ago so cannot comment directly on the question, however judging from the comments from other posters on this thread (worth a read), it would suggest that they appear to select the 'quite ones in the corner'. I'll let you draw your own conclusions!! Good luck.
Happy flying.
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Good to hear your doing well!
"I don't understand though the position from people who just want to bury their head in the sand and unquestionably and blindly defend Silverjet. Do they realize they're being exploited or are they simply masochistic???"
Following the examples of the management I would suggest!
Perhaps the position is that if they show their heads they know they will be told to put up and shut up, otherwise their heads will be torn off.
"Do they realize they're being exploited or are they simply masochistic???"
It's a case of propaganda deliberately engineered by the company, lack of experience leading to nothing to compare with, and hollow promises. Come to think of it Silverjet has a lot in common with this government!!
737Chick,
Good to see you back!
"The majority (not all) lack the real skills to manage such a cabin operation and I feel in my personal opinion that this is part of the problem and not "Silverjet" as a company."
Couldn't agree with you more!! The concept is great. The guy at the top who thought it up rather switched on. The problem is the people he chooses to surround himself with, who lead badly from the top. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't even know how bad things are!
"Cabin crew or employees are always going to have an opinion either way and as long as these opinions are voiced in the appropriate manner, I do feel that it it important to let everyone have their views."
Feedback is vital to any business especially aviation companies, in Silverjet it is positively inhibited.
"It is only a matter of time before the "fence" crew start realising that there are more moral boosting jobs out there. I can live with slightly lower wages but low moral is something that I don't think anyone enjoys...even management. Lets face it, it is becoming more and more apparent that Silverjet only really care about their reputation and not the crews.......crew issues never seem to be that important or at the very most take the back seat to everything else."
I agree, and it's only a matter of time before the momentum of the situation overtakes the airline. It is a great shame as I have said in previous posts. If only the management could wake-up from their self-deluding positions and realise that a company cannot function for long like this, then perhaps, and I mean perhaps, there would be a real chance of Silverjet turning around. I wouldn't want to bet on it though!
"I have been in the industry longer than some who speak on here but not as long as many others who I have seen come and go....and boy, have we lost some great crew and S/C's....I can think of a good few who I can say I had the pleasure to fly with."
I totally agree, some real stars have left for new lives and the company just shrugs it off almost happy to see talent go.
Good luck to them. Silverjets loss!!!diesel36
"Any info on the interview much appreciated."
I joined a year ago so cannot comment directly on the question, however judging from the comments from other posters on this thread (worth a read), it would suggest that they appear to select the 'quite ones in the corner'. I'll let you draw your own conclusions!!
Good luck.Happy flying.
Silver Boy. x
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Loose Morale and Low Morals
FYI - There is an important difference between morale and moral - confusing the two can sometimes lead to some embarrassment.
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Hello Tight Slot,
"FYI - There is an important difference between morale and moral - confusing the two can sometimes lead to some embarrassment."
Point taken regarding quote from 737chick. Upon reflection there is scope in seeing her comment regarding Silverjet from both angles.
Silver_Gaurdian,
Welcome and glad to know we have one in this company, where have you been?
"Please take a moment to familiarise yourself with your contracts."
Do tell why as it's something the company never does?
Happy Flying,
Silver Boy. x
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"FYI - There is an important difference between morale and moral - confusing the two can sometimes lead to some embarrassment."
Point taken regarding quote from 737chick. Upon reflection there is scope in seeing her comment regarding Silverjet from both angles.
Silver_Gaurdian,
Welcome and glad to know we have one in this company, where have you been?
"Please take a moment to familiarise yourself with your contracts."
Do tell why as it's something the company never does?
Happy Flying,
Silver Boy. x
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Hi JAL-Stacey,
Good to hear from you.
"How wonderful and "sivilised" !!! Silverjet's pathetic attempt to restrict freedom of speech on the internet!!
Couldn't agree with you more!
Watch out people, Big Brother and the stalinists are watching you"
It is so sad that the attitude of put up and shut up is everywhere within Silverjet, and now on here.
Silver Guardian,
"Please take a moment to familiarise yourself with your contracts."
Strange that comment - as we have just received a email from the top! But just as with a contract, read the small print at the bottom of the email - 'oh by the way, new contracts on the way to replace old, and YOU MUST SIGN them upon receipt and send back without delay'. The pilots had to do this recently and I believe were told 'you have 2 weeks to do so or you no longer have a job'. Enforced changes to contracts are illegal without negotiation and consent on both sides.
As Silver Gaurdian says, 'please take a moment to familiarise yourself with your contracts', but not for the same reasons as me, because I'll bet that when the new contracts arrive, there be plenty of enforced changes dressed up under 'enhancements', that when you start digging you'll find are benefiting the company and not us!
Watch out, just when you thought things couldn't get any worse at Silverjet.
Will keep you updated.
Happy Flying.
Silverboy. x
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Good to hear from you.
"How wonderful and "sivilised" !!! Silverjet's pathetic attempt to restrict freedom of speech on the internet!!
Couldn't agree with you more!
Watch out people, Big Brother and the stalinists are watching you"
It is so sad that the attitude of put up and shut up is everywhere within Silverjet, and now on here.
Silver Guardian,
"Please take a moment to familiarise yourself with your contracts."
Strange that comment - as we have just received a email from the top! But just as with a contract, read the small print at the bottom of the email - 'oh by the way, new contracts on the way to replace old, and YOU MUST SIGN them upon receipt and send back without delay'. The pilots had to do this recently and I believe were told 'you have 2 weeks to do so or you no longer have a job'.
Enforced changes to contracts are illegal without negotiation and consent on both sides. As Silver Gaurdian says, 'please take a moment to familiarise yourself with your contracts', but not for the same reasons as me, because I'll bet that when the new contracts arrive, there be plenty of enforced changes dressed up under 'enhancements', that when you start digging you'll find are benefiting the company and not us!
Watch out, just when you thought things couldn't get any worse at Silverjet.
Will keep you updated.
Happy Flying.
Silverboy. x
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Are these issues not to be discussed on the silverjet-crew discussions string? They seem to have little to do with wanabees or recruitment. If and when wanabees do join us, their contracts will be applicable to them at the time. Just a suggestion.
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I've renamed this thread - Silverjet don't yet have a volume of wannabees on this forum sufficient to justify their own thread so we'll keep it all here for now.
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Hi Bestonboard,
Good to see you back, and glad you have found 'the time' to post again!!
"Are these issues not to be discussed on the silverjet-crew discussions string? They seem to have little to do with wanabees or recruitment. If and when wanabees do join us, their contracts will be applicable to them at the time. Just a suggestion."
Any forum is to exchange information e.t.c. on a particular subject. Whilst I agree that specific items are not well suited to a general discussion, the broad intent of the possible changes needs to be brought to the attention of anyone thinking of joining Silverjet, as they will be joining a demoralised cabin crew workforce with lots of infighting, backstabbing e.t.c., which will only intensify with contractual changes. Wannabees need to have the facts, not just the PR machine!
TightSlot,
"I've renamed this thread - Silverjet don't yet have a volume of wannabees on this forum sufficient to justify their own thread so we'll keep it all here for now."
Strange that, perhaps people are actually reading it for the purpose it's designed for?
Thanks for doing a good moderator job - much appreciated.
Happy Flying.
Silver Boy. x
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Good to see you back, and glad you have found 'the time' to post again!!
"Are these issues not to be discussed on the silverjet-crew discussions string? They seem to have little to do with wanabees or recruitment. If and when wanabees do join us, their contracts will be applicable to them at the time. Just a suggestion."
Any forum is to exchange information e.t.c. on a particular subject. Whilst I agree that specific items are not well suited to a general discussion, the broad intent of the possible changes needs to be brought to the attention of anyone thinking of joining Silverjet, as they will be joining a demoralised cabin crew workforce with lots of infighting, backstabbing e.t.c., which will only intensify with contractual changes. Wannabees need to have the facts, not just the PR machine!
TightSlot,
"I've renamed this thread - Silverjet don't yet have a volume of wannabees on this forum sufficient to justify their own thread so we'll keep it all here for now."
Strange that,
perhaps people are actually reading it for the purpose it's designed for?Thanks for doing a good moderator job - much appreciated.
Happy Flying.
Silver Boy. x
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Well ive been for an interview.
ive been flying 10 years, been for a couple of interviews and my god this is
the worst ive ever been too. very unprofessional, just out and out rude.
They never introduced themselves, never smiled and only boasted how good
they were.. NO THANKS..
and before the silverjet bashers start no i didnt get it and thank god.
The only ones that got through were non flyers, then why you interviewing
for cabin managers..
And no im not bitter, just thankfull i dont have to put up with that s~~t
My mates partner is on there course now and already wants to leave.
ive been flying 10 years, been for a couple of interviews and my god this is
the worst ive ever been too. very unprofessional, just out and out rude.
They never introduced themselves, never smiled and only boasted how good
they were.. NO THANKS..
and before the silverjet bashers start no i didnt get it and thank god.
The only ones that got through were non flyers, then why you interviewing
for cabin managers..
And no im not bitter, just thankfull i dont have to put up with that s~~t
My mates partner is on there course now and already wants to leave.
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Hi guys.
I haven't written much in the last couple of weeks, and thats cos this threat is making me sick.
The people who is talking all that pile of crap are just a bunch of cowards! why don't you tell management about all this? why do you keep moaning here where you can just say whatever you feel like?
Do you know what is the only bad thing about Silverjet? People like Mr Silverboy who just spend their flights bitching about the company at the back galley. Thanks God course 1, 2, 3 etc will be a minority, left aside with their "seniority" (8 months, LOL) when all these new courses start in the next months. Lets refresh the company guys, and those of you who can only moan (easy in a web site but not to management) keep loookin for another job...we don't need u on line, but I doubt u can get one...
U sad little creatures LOL
PS: JAL-Stacey, can u get over it? u dont work for Silverjet dear, dont u have any better things to do than talkin about ur old job? what an interesting life...u must have a much better job now LOL
Welcome to the company to all the new ppl
I haven't written much in the last couple of weeks, and thats cos this threat is making me sick.
The people who is talking all that pile of crap are just a bunch of cowards! why don't you tell management about all this? why do you keep moaning here where you can just say whatever you feel like?
Do you know what is the only bad thing about Silverjet? People like Mr Silverboy who just spend their flights bitching about the company at the back galley. Thanks God course 1, 2, 3 etc will be a minority, left aside with their "seniority" (8 months, LOL) when all these new courses start in the next months. Lets refresh the company guys, and those of you who can only moan (easy in a web site but not to management) keep loookin for another job...we don't need u on line, but I doubt u can get one...
U sad little creatures LOL
PS: JAL-Stacey, can u get over it? u dont work for Silverjet dear, dont u have any better things to do than talkin about ur old job? what an interesting life...u must have a much better job now LOL
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Sorry to hear you had a bad experience Diesel. Recruitment is led by HR and an Outsourced Recruitment company. I cannot speak for their methods I'm afraid.
Silverboy, I am inquisitive. In your original entrance to the discussion, you state that you are tired, and overworked. Experiencing more than 5 trips a month. At the moment, a great deal of crew are experiencing a higher volume of work. The basics come down to the fact that we still require a great deal of crew to operate for the arrival of aircraft 4 and 5.
Will it not help with your tiredness and rest if we have a greater number of crew available to operate? Discussions are great, as they do get opinions across. However, the majority of things that are coming across are airing on the negative side. It seems to be a vicious circle. Do we not need the manpower to aid our growth and our working conditions? Are all things that bad? You yourself have said that the idea is there... Would a more positive approach from the people who have to deal with it on a daily basis not help increase the motivation and drive within the work environment? I remember seeing a motivational poster in a previous life, a long time ago, it said, and I quote... "Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching?" Your most reliable compadre on here is an ex-employee. If you were thinking outside of the box, would an ex employee, who was with the airline for less than 6 months be a great companion in waging a war?
In laymans terms, no crew, no job...
Any guidance in my understanding that you can provide would be greatly appreciated. For it seems the path you are on does seem to be a lose/lose situation.
May I ask what previous airlines you have worked for? For if you think that Silverjet is the most etc etc... I'm sorry, it begrudges me to twist our tag line in any way, I am intrigued to which work environment you are comparing it to.
Thank you Tightslot, there do seem to be very few wanabees that post. However, I do hear we have a great turnout at our Assessment Centres.
Silverboy, I am inquisitive. In your original entrance to the discussion, you state that you are tired, and overworked. Experiencing more than 5 trips a month. At the moment, a great deal of crew are experiencing a higher volume of work. The basics come down to the fact that we still require a great deal of crew to operate for the arrival of aircraft 4 and 5.
Will it not help with your tiredness and rest if we have a greater number of crew available to operate? Discussions are great, as they do get opinions across. However, the majority of things that are coming across are airing on the negative side. It seems to be a vicious circle. Do we not need the manpower to aid our growth and our working conditions? Are all things that bad? You yourself have said that the idea is there... Would a more positive approach from the people who have to deal with it on a daily basis not help increase the motivation and drive within the work environment? I remember seeing a motivational poster in a previous life, a long time ago, it said, and I quote... "Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching?" Your most reliable compadre on here is an ex-employee. If you were thinking outside of the box, would an ex employee, who was with the airline for less than 6 months be a great companion in waging a war?
In laymans terms, no crew, no job...
Any guidance in my understanding that you can provide would be greatly appreciated. For it seems the path you are on does seem to be a lose/lose situation.
May I ask what previous airlines you have worked for? For if you think that Silverjet is the most etc etc... I'm sorry, it begrudges me to twist our tag line in any way, I am intrigued to which work environment you are comparing it to.
Thank you Tightslot, there do seem to be very few wanabees that post. However, I do hear we have a great turnout at our Assessment Centres.