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[FONT="Trebuchet MS"]I truly admire the passion being shown for Silverjet by its crew, if passion could save this airline from becoming yet another aviation statistic Silverjet would be a true easter story!
The fact remains that no matter how you spin this the analysts are right. Even if a buyer is found the airline will probably be rebranded, redundancies will be made and it will never be the same as before.
In realistic terms the writing is most definitely on the wall and as much as it saddens me to say it, all of us now need to move forward, find jobs and pay the bills. Unless a buyer is found (and even then you may have a wait for payment) you could be waiting months to be paid outstanding monies and even then will possibly not get everything that it owing...
I salute your loyalty i really do and if staying so loyal helps you sleep at night, so be it....money in my bank account and a regular income will help me sleep better at the moment.
The fact remains that no matter how you spin this the analysts are right. Even if a buyer is found the airline will probably be rebranded, redundancies will be made and it will never be the same as before.
In realistic terms the writing is most definitely on the wall and as much as it saddens me to say it, all of us now need to move forward, find jobs and pay the bills. Unless a buyer is found (and even then you may have a wait for payment) you could be waiting months to be paid outstanding monies and even then will possibly not get everything that it owing...
I salute your loyalty i really do and if staying so loyal helps you sleep at night, so be it....money in my bank account and a regular income will help me sleep better at the moment.
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Everything silver - i dont think anyone is suggesting that the people who remain in the office are not doing a fantastic job. What you seem to forget is that the people in the office got paid on the 25th and so have a month in hand if you like to find alternative employment before their money runs out!
"Staff are assisting CC job applications/references etc. Again would you rather they forgot the staff that have worked unpaid and went off and took the offers they have with no thought for those unfortunate others."
Just re read your statement above again.....could you really blame anybody at this moment in time for looking after themselves given the circumstances? The office staff are in the same position as everyone else....if a buyer is not found they are out of jobs also....if they have job offers to go to, they would be mad like anyone else would be to turn them down given the current situation.
"Staff are assisting CC job applications/references etc. Again would you rather they forgot the staff that have worked unpaid and went off and took the offers they have with no thought for those unfortunate others."
Just re read your statement above again.....could you really blame anybody at this moment in time for looking after themselves given the circumstances? The office staff are in the same position as everyone else....if a buyer is not found they are out of jobs also....if they have job offers to go to, they would be mad like anyone else would be to turn them down given the current situation.
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You guys sure are loyal to an operator that will not pay you. Do you really think SJ will arise from the ashes? Silverjet does not own its aircraft, they are leased, it will take millions to secure the airframes for a few months, the lease company are no fools. The AOC has been suspended and will take months to resurrect. The pilots, who incidently have been paid are walking en masse. How do you think that a few people running around the offices clasping at straws are going to be able to find the 10-15 million to start operating for a few months if Viceroy was unwilling to invest in the continuation of the business. AIM has suspended the trading and will want reassurances before trading resumes.
Wake up guys, it will take a miracle to start this up again, oh and 15 million pounds.
The directors have no say in any of this, the administrator is in charge.
Wake up guys, it will take a miracle to start this up again, oh and 15 million pounds.
The directors have no say in any of this, the administrator is in charge.
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Go and get another job.
Loyalty is a one way street: you have been shafted.
Look after No 1 now.
Been there, seen it, stood in the dole queue.
Go and get another job.
Loyalty is a one way street: you have been shafted.
Look after No 1 now.
Been there, seen it, stood in the dole queue.
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BOB.
I have to agree with some that have said you should move on, i do not think SJ will rise out of the ashes like a great silver pheonix.
B.O.B stated our customers are our primary concern so they arrive refreshed without knowing they have boarded an aircraft, may i say for most crew SAFETY is their primary concern for the CUSTOMERS
unfortunately i was around when FJE were wound up and i can tell you the way your precious directors treated the FJE crew was less than civilised, so if i were you i would move on. Mind you i know a lot of SJ crew who thought FJE crew were below them
this included the directors. But we moved on and got our lives back on track, even though we had to fight to get our redundancy payments, unfortunately for you guys as you have not been there for 2 years your not legaly entiteled to redundancy.
I am also sure that many of the crew are not in the position to just wait to see what happens.
But i do feel sorry for all those out of a job, but have to say i am not surprised, esp with the economy in flux at the moment.
I have to agree with some that have said you should move on, i do not think SJ will rise out of the ashes like a great silver pheonix.
B.O.B stated our customers are our primary concern so they arrive refreshed without knowing they have boarded an aircraft, may i say for most crew SAFETY is their primary concern for the CUSTOMERS
unfortunately i was around when FJE were wound up and i can tell you the way your precious directors treated the FJE crew was less than civilised, so if i were you i would move on. Mind you i know a lot of SJ crew who thought FJE crew were below them
this included the directors. But we moved on and got our lives back on track, even though we had to fight to get our redundancy payments, unfortunately for you guys as you have not been there for 2 years your not legaly entiteled to redundancy.I am also sure that many of the crew are not in the position to just wait to see what happens.
But i do feel sorry for all those out of a job, but have to say i am not surprised, esp with the economy in flux at the moment.
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I don't get it....
Have SJ crew been brainwashed?
Yes as of the present, we have worked over 5 weeks and have nothing to show for it. The Flight deck and head office got paid on the 25th, the crew....should have been paid today, but that wont materialise.
Thanks to all who have posted messages of support and respect to Lawrence Hunt our fab CEO who fought tooth and nail for us and his baby.
I have never met such a genuine and hard working gent.
You haven't been paid and everyone else has, how is that working hard for "his baby"?
SJ crew, you did your jobs, you turned up and did your portion for a new start airline, but you've been shafted, Unfortunately you haven't weathered the storm and it's only going to get worse.
Unfortunately i think that though the crew were all good crew members i also happen to think that they also recruited those that would swallow the SJ corporate bulls**t easiest, not that this is any reflection on SJ (all the airlines like to cram it down our throats that we're the best) but seriously guys wake up and smell the coffee, for the rest of us the stench is stale.......
Yes as of the present, we have worked over 5 weeks and have nothing to show for it. The Flight deck and head office got paid on the 25th, the crew....should have been paid today, but that wont materialise.
Thanks to all who have posted messages of support and respect to Lawrence Hunt our fab CEO who fought tooth and nail for us and his baby.
I have never met such a genuine and hard working gent.
You haven't been paid and everyone else has, how is that working hard for "his baby"?
SJ crew, you did your jobs, you turned up and did your portion for a new start airline, but you've been shafted, Unfortunately you haven't weathered the storm and it's only going to get worse.
Unfortunately i think that though the crew were all good crew members i also happen to think that they also recruited those that would swallow the SJ corporate bulls**t easiest, not that this is any reflection on SJ (all the airlines like to cram it down our throats that we're the best) but seriously guys wake up and smell the coffee, for the rest of us the stench is stale.......
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banewboiI am Silverjet crew and you will see from my previous posts that although i have loved every minute i have worked for the airline and have lived the brand values, i am in no way brain washed.
I am a realist and i know as well as you that we have been shafted, good and proper. Doesnt matter whether you serve it on a silver platter or a paper plate the outcome will be exactly the same.
Cant knock my colleagues for hanging in there with hope of a resurrection, as i said before if that helps them sleep better at the moment, then so be it....i will just hate to be the one that by the end of the week says "i told you so".
I am a realist and i know as well as you that we have been shafted, good and proper. Doesnt matter whether you serve it on a silver platter or a paper plate the outcome will be exactly the same.
Cant knock my colleagues for hanging in there with hope of a resurrection, as i said before if that helps them sleep better at the moment, then so be it....i will just hate to be the one that by the end of the week says "i told you so".
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Someone buy me a drink? Please?
Have SJ crew been brainwashed?
Yes as of the present, we have worked over 5 weeks and have nothing to show for it. The Flight deck and head office got paid on the 25th, the crew....should have been paid today, but that wont materialise.
Thanks to all who have posted messages of support and respect to Lawrence Hunt our fab CEO who fought tooth and nail for us and his baby.
I have never met such a genuine and hard working gent.
You haven't been paid and everyone else has, how is that working hard for "his baby"?
*******
Oh Lordy... Couldn't agree with you more!
I've worked with Slugjet from the beginning and YES I commend anyone who takes pride in their work and YES I think it's important to be positive in tough times but WAKE UP! You think Lawrence didn't see this coming? The man buys us all drinks down route and that makes him a "hard working gent". Rubbish.
Granted it's a combination of factors that caused Silverjet to cease operations, but if Lawrence cared as much as he claims to, why did we stop flying the day we were SUPPOSED to get paid? Why doesn't he make those who want to leave redundant so we can get benefits?
The only concrete help and offers for references and new employment has come from the infamous Martyn Bridger who Lawrence sacked a month ago. Maybe you should kiss his arse instead...
Anyone know a good lawyer?
Yes as of the present, we have worked over 5 weeks and have nothing to show for it. The Flight deck and head office got paid on the 25th, the crew....should have been paid today, but that wont materialise.
Thanks to all who have posted messages of support and respect to Lawrence Hunt our fab CEO who fought tooth and nail for us and his baby.
I have never met such a genuine and hard working gent.
You haven't been paid and everyone else has, how is that working hard for "his baby"?
*******
Oh Lordy... Couldn't agree with you more!
I've worked with Slugjet from the beginning and YES I commend anyone who takes pride in their work and YES I think it's important to be positive in tough times but WAKE UP! You think Lawrence didn't see this coming? The man buys us all drinks down route and that makes him a "hard working gent". Rubbish.
Granted it's a combination of factors that caused Silverjet to cease operations, but if Lawrence cared as much as he claims to, why did we stop flying the day we were SUPPOSED to get paid? Why doesn't he make those who want to leave redundant so we can get benefits?
The only concrete help and offers for references and new employment has come from the infamous Martyn Bridger who Lawrence sacked a month ago. Maybe you should kiss his arse instead...
Anyone know a good lawyer?
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Silverjet has shafted you all good and proper!!
If I were you, id go and get a job with an established airline, and put SJ behind you.
Even if they were to 'rise above the ashes' in the future(very unlikely), do you really want to go back to a company that shafted you over and left you stranded downroute??? Crazy if thats the way you think!!
If I were you, id go and get a job with an established airline, and put SJ behind you.
Even if they were to 'rise above the ashes' in the future(very unlikely), do you really want to go back to a company that shafted you over and left you stranded downroute??? Crazy if thats the way you think!!
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No crew were "stranded" ptc. A plan was quickly formed to get us home, involving EK and Zoom. Transport was provided from LGW back to LTN and the hotels at EWR & DXB were available too. Often in this scenario crews really are stranded and I'm pleased to say that in this case, we weren't.
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Anyone remember UKIA mmmmm they did the same closed down and had dilluded crew working for a while without pay coz they thought it would fly again, it never happened, please dont waste any time on SJ, do you not think that if it does start again passenger confidence has gone, as will the relationships with the airports they flew from and to, in addition the stock market and future investors will not be so quick to risk thier money. As for the investors that have lost alot of money they would more than likely advise against investing.
Sorry but to confused in LTN move on for your own piece of mind.
Sorry but to confused in LTN move on for your own piece of mind.
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Insult to injury...
On the last flight from Dubai back to London, the captain had the displeasure of having to announce to passengers and crew that the airline had gone bust. One passenger's account of this below:
"The hostesses all lined up, they were howling, some of the passengers were in tears. The captain also announced that the hostesses had not been paid for over a month, and they were doing this for free. When we landed, the receivers came on board and took possession of the plane."
http://londonist.com/2008/05/silverjet_final.php
I suspect this closure has been strategically timed to follow what looks like been some jiggery-pokery going on with Silverjet shares. This kind of thing is illegal if it can be proven: issue a press release to increase the value of the shares (or send strange emails to crew about "secret" investors... we all received them) sell when they're at their peak, then announce closure when more investors/little guys have been scammed rendering the shares virtually worthless.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle3723391.ece
"The hostesses all lined up, they were howling, some of the passengers were in tears. The captain also announced that the hostesses had not been paid for over a month, and they were doing this for free. When we landed, the receivers came on board and took possession of the plane."
http://londonist.com/2008/05/silverjet_final.php
I suspect this closure has been strategically timed to follow what looks like been some jiggery-pokery going on with Silverjet shares. This kind of thing is illegal if it can be proven: issue a press release to increase the value of the shares (or send strange emails to crew about "secret" investors... we all received them) sell when they're at their peak, then announce closure when more investors/little guys have been scammed rendering the shares virtually worthless.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle3723391.ece
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Hi guys,
Just a brief word to say that i genuinely feel for those left high and dry by SJ, but personally i think that's enough.
People are feeling rubbish enough without the likes of us telling them what lemmings they've been.
It may not be nice to hear but please take my post the way it was intended and go forward with a little bit more knowledge about life, the universe and everything aviation.
Wow, i even suprised myself with this much compassion, i thought i signed that over a long time ago.
Peace guys (lol, now i'm a hippy)
Just a brief word to say that i genuinely feel for those left high and dry by SJ, but personally i think that's enough.
People are feeling rubbish enough without the likes of us telling them what lemmings they've been.
It may not be nice to hear but please take my post the way it was intended and go forward with a little bit more knowledge about life, the universe and everything aviation.
Wow, i even suprised myself with this much compassion, i thought i signed that over a long time ago.
Peace guys (lol, now i'm a hippy)
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FJE
I was also arround for the demise of FJE as an operator.
They treated the crews perfectly.
FLE were perhaps the best corporate operator I have ever worked for, in regard to the crew conditions. In fact they were, IMHO so good thats part of the reason for the change of direction to broering, rather than operating.
I only know SJ from afar, but respect anyone who starts an airline, (tried that too).
glf
They treated the crews perfectly.
FLE were perhaps the best corporate operator I have ever worked for, in regard to the crew conditions. In fact they were, IMHO so good thats part of the reason for the change of direction to broering, rather than operating.
I only know SJ from afar, but respect anyone who starts an airline, (tried that too).
glf
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sad times
Beston Board you should really wake up and smell the green tea , you say that you are still behind sj..!! why cos you would,nt get another job like what you had, i believe you would,nt ,time to give up and look for a lap dance-ing job...
.....plz plz wake up......we all wanted it to work....
.....plz plz wake up......we all wanted it to work....
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Pretty bad the cabin crew weren`t paid, and yet some still "bleat" on the Silverjet band wagon. The airline has gone! If it comes back it will be gone again. Check out Braniff in the US. That airline has had several reincarnations over the years.
Yes you flow to nice destinations, both over subscribed by the majors.
Yes Silverjet had a good customer relations with few complaints, but your market was a limited business/corporate people, and more the budget luxury leisure market, the type who are on a stag do, the big four O. etc. special trip of a life time. I always said it was the wrong product. Others have agreed and disagreed, but I stand by my first thoughts, wrong product. Should have been 2 class cabin. My area Herts Beds Bucks fairly affluent area, know people who went to NY. Firstly most not heard of SJ, and then said a £1000 return fare for a weekend away was bit pricey and opted for VS BA economy or Premium economy.
For those who still hold Silverjet close to your hearts, please let it go. There are other airlines out there, true you may not get your long haul, but if you want to be cabin crew you have to take whats around. Besides at the end of the day we have to pay your bills.
Yes you flow to nice destinations, both over subscribed by the majors.
Yes Silverjet had a good customer relations with few complaints, but your market was a limited business/corporate people, and more the budget luxury leisure market, the type who are on a stag do, the big four O. etc. special trip of a life time. I always said it was the wrong product. Others have agreed and disagreed, but I stand by my first thoughts, wrong product. Should have been 2 class cabin. My area Herts Beds Bucks fairly affluent area, know people who went to NY. Firstly most not heard of SJ, and then said a £1000 return fare for a weekend away was bit pricey and opted for VS BA economy or Premium economy.
For those who still hold Silverjet close to your hearts, please let it go. There are other airlines out there, true you may not get your long haul, but if you want to be cabin crew you have to take whats around. Besides at the end of the day we have to pay your bills.
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Everyone here is talking as if Silverjet is completely done for. Yes, the company has gone into administration and yes, it has ceased operations for now, but there is still a concerted effort going on behind the scenes to get Silverjet flying again. The administrators have publicly released statements to this effect and remain moderately positive about some form of reincarnation in the very near future.
What non-employees will not be aware of is that the cabin crew are also receiving almost daily updates from the administrators, Lawrence Hunt & the former cabin crew manager on the progress that is being made behind close doors. I'm not going to reveal any details, but the most recent email from Lawrence this morning is very promising.
I am aware that Silverjet remains in an extremely perilous position, but its too early to talk about it in the past tense yet. Its not over until the fat lady sings and she hasn't even learned the chorus yet...
What non-employees will not be aware of is that the cabin crew are also receiving almost daily updates from the administrators, Lawrence Hunt & the former cabin crew manager on the progress that is being made behind close doors. I'm not going to reveal any details, but the most recent email from Lawrence this morning is very promising.
I am aware that Silverjet remains in an extremely perilous position, but its too early to talk about it in the past tense yet. Its not over until the fat lady sings and she hasn't even learned the chorus yet...
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Face facts. Nobody is going to risk their money and travel plans buying a ticket on Silverjet. Silverjet has never made a profit, the oil price that crippled them continues to trend upwards. Only a fool would invest in the company. It's over.