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Bolty ...What The?
You toy with semantics.
You in engineering dont know half of what is going on as half the time some hold items have been there for over 14 days.So either you dont see the aircraft,cant fix the problem or dont have the spares or dont know how to fix the problem.
I live on these things...you visit them once in awhile.
Get with the programme....I like to work on an aircraft where everything works(as do the pax).
As one individual you inspect aircraft randomly..you dont see them all.Aircraft tend to be route specific.Work on a particular route you see the same a/c...with the same problems week after bloody week.
BTW OJK had the 4 aft toilets RS for 10 days...how many sectors is that?
I have no input into malfunctions except to report them.
I have no tools since I am not allowed to carry them onboard.
I blame no one except management for these failings
You in engineering dont know half of what is going on as half the time some hold items have been there for over 14 days.So either you dont see the aircraft,cant fix the problem or dont have the spares or dont know how to fix the problem.
I live on these things...you visit them once in awhile.
Get with the programme....I like to work on an aircraft where everything works(as do the pax).
As one individual you inspect aircraft randomly..you dont see them all.Aircraft tend to be route specific.Work on a particular route you see the same a/c...with the same problems week after bloody week.
BTW OJK had the 4 aft toilets RS for 10 days...how many sectors is that?
I have no input into malfunctions except to report them.
I have no tools since I am not allowed to carry them onboard.
I blame no one except management for these failings
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Surfside,
You say you blame management but then you give the engineers a stab -
Give them a break - they work hard and do a great job.
You say you blame management but then you give the engineers a stab -
You in engineering dont know half of what is going on....
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What?
Thats your perception...not my intention.
The reason they (engineering)may not know what is going on is due in part to the short periods of time these a/c actually spend in Sydney.
Engineering may not see these planes for a couple of weeks.
I have friends who are LAMES so dont try to turn my words into criticism.
Bolty BTW was having a go at me for venting my frustration.
I am sure he is as frustrated as me.
I am just as sure he doesnt need your two cents worth of cheerleading.
The reason they (engineering)may not know what is going on is due in part to the short periods of time these a/c actually spend in Sydney.
Engineering may not see these planes for a couple of weeks.
I have friends who are LAMES so dont try to turn my words into criticism.
Bolty BTW was having a go at me for venting my frustration.
I am sure he is as frustrated as me.
I am just as sure he doesnt need your two cents worth of cheerleading.
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If there are problems with the aircraft then that is the company's problem ,it is frustrating for everyone but we all contribute to the problem by getting around them and then the company has won again.The company has not spent a cent but we keep everything running while the decision makers procastinate as usual.
The only problem that we should be concerned about is Darths use of the time honoured principle of divide and conquer.
If it is not one union (S/H faaa) short selling their members to secure work it is a pilot group doing it as well and so on.
If we stuck together as a group then Darth would get nowhere but he has people falling over themselves to apply for work with pathetic T's & C's.
Darth loves us having a shot at each other because it perpetuates his management style.The only work force he wants is a divided one.
The latest one is the letter from LG telling us that L/H will not fly the flying croissant under our current T&C's ...let's have a shot at them not each other
The only problem that we should be concerned about is Darths use of the time honoured principle of divide and conquer.
If it is not one union (S/H faaa) short selling their members to secure work it is a pilot group doing it as well and so on.
If we stuck together as a group then Darth would get nowhere but he has people falling over themselves to apply for work with pathetic T's & C's.
Darth loves us having a shot at each other because it perpetuates his management style.The only work force he wants is a divided one.
The latest one is the letter from LG telling us that L/H will not fly the flying croissant under our current T&C's ...let's have a shot at them not each other
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Surfside you are correct, I wasn't having a go at you, I was just pointing out via your post that some of the cabin failures are blamed by management on CC and I suggested that blaming the aircraft for CC not giving their best is not a good thing ( tradesman and tools comment)
I see an aweful lot more aircraft than you may think, whether it be on a busy outstation handling transits, doing research and stats for cabin/aircraft defects or fixing problems when the aircraft is parked in SYD overnight.
The biggest problem with maintaining cabin defects is they are not reported at the correct time eg.
Many cabin defects are written up by CC on your first sector out when you are still fresh and keen. Problem is that the transit time is about 60 mins so only minor rectificaion can be carried out by engineering or band aide solution to get the aircraft thru the next sector. When CC are on the return flight back to base tired from lack of slip time and making do with the myriad of problems that "surfside" listed. The defects are not written up into a station where the most resourses and parts are. It is as if CC are on the home straight want to get off and the passing on of defects to the engineers gets missed. This applies to L/H, London Base, S/H the lot.
If you are flying into BNE SYD MEL LAX LHR FRA go for gold the aircraft are on the gound long enough to be fixed
I see an aweful lot more aircraft than you may think, whether it be on a busy outstation handling transits, doing research and stats for cabin/aircraft defects or fixing problems when the aircraft is parked in SYD overnight.
The biggest problem with maintaining cabin defects is they are not reported at the correct time eg.
Many cabin defects are written up by CC on your first sector out when you are still fresh and keen. Problem is that the transit time is about 60 mins so only minor rectificaion can be carried out by engineering or band aide solution to get the aircraft thru the next sector. When CC are on the return flight back to base tired from lack of slip time and making do with the myriad of problems that "surfside" listed. The defects are not written up into a station where the most resourses and parts are. It is as if CC are on the home straight want to get off and the passing on of defects to the engineers gets missed. This applies to L/H, London Base, S/H the lot.
If you are flying into BNE SYD MEL LAX LHR FRA go for gold the aircraft are on the gound long enough to be fixed
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I Didnt Know
I thought that any problem logged and not fixed became a hold item and was rectified when the A/C returned to Sydney.
So,what you are saying is that the problem needs to be re entered on the inbound sector...is this correct?.
If so,a change in the system of reporting needs to take place and CC made aware of this shortcoming.
Could you verify please.
Also QPB(i think)has a lighting problem that has existed for 8 days...not rectified yet and this aircraft returns to Sydney daily
So,what you are saying is that the problem needs to be re entered on the inbound sector...is this correct?.
If so,a change in the system of reporting needs to take place and CC made aware of this shortcoming.
Could you verify please.
Also QPB(i think)has a lighting problem that has existed for 8 days...not rectified yet and this aircraft returns to Sydney daily
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I thought that any problem logged and not fixed became a hold item and was rectified when the A/C returned to Sydney.
So,what you are saying is that the problem needs to be re entered on the inbound sector...is this correct?.
If so,a change in the system of reporting needs to take place and CC made aware of this shortcoming.
Could you verify please.
So,what you are saying is that the problem needs to be re entered on the inbound sector...is this correct?.
If so,a change in the system of reporting needs to take place and CC made aware of this shortcoming.
Could you verify please.
In an ideal world every defect per transit would be fixed but there are factors and forces working against this. On a short transit with many defects written up the engineer has a few choices, Inop the equipment label it and log it, fix permanentlty or bandaide fix in the short time available so it operates the next sector so as not to increase CC work load, this is a very popular option I can assure you. Signed off as reset etc
Engineerings KRAs and KPIs are on time performance = no delays allowed. With this in mind think about what can be achieved on a short transit on an out station. This why I recommend CC write up the same amount of defects on their way home (where things can get fixed) as they do first sector out. Which does not happen.
Secondly if CC feel that there are to many cabin defects talk to your CSM whom then can consult with Tech crew to call the delay as engineering won't.
Its the way things are and have been forever, don't expect change as huge amounts of money are being pulled out of our budgets so it will get worse before it gets better.
QPB not sure which defect but I will look it up and PM you with an answer. Are you talking CC rest lights?
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cabin condition log
a skipper told us over drinks....so this may be wrong! to transfer any continuing problems in ccl onto the tech log which supposedly will speed up repairs...maybe 'bolts can confirm/deny this
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Yes Bolty..CC Rest Lights
I ususally keep a work sheet with the A/C Rego..but not this time..Sorry
Pretty sure of the Rego tho'.
Thanks.
The crew that operates an A/C outbound is quite often not the CC that operates the A/C inbound.
The Cabin Condition log is looked at and if the problem has been logged by the previous crew it is not re entered.
So it Should be?
A notice needs to be put out to that effect.
Wow we might be onto something....what do you think?
Pretty sure of the Rego tho'.
Thanks.
The crew that operates an A/C outbound is quite often not the CC that operates the A/C inbound.
The Cabin Condition log is looked at and if the problem has been logged by the previous crew it is not re entered.
So it Should be?
A notice needs to be put out to that effect.
Wow we might be onto something....what do you think?
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I fully understand the same crew don't always operate the same aircraft home but if you look in the cabin log (remains with aircraft) quite often you will see on first sector out of SYD to BKK 4 pages of cabin log defects and then to LHR 1 page as London base return home.
Then LHR - BKK 4 pages again 1st sector out then the BKK - SYD 1 page as SYD L/H return home if you get my drift. This happens. Sorry to harp on
No notice needs to be put out just remain as vigilant in recording cabin defects on all sectors of your work. This will help you providing the service you want.
The A330-300 there are about 4 with this CC rest defect. Its an Airbus problem and they like to take their sweet time getting back to us with a fix as its a lighting control software issue.
Then LHR - BKK 4 pages again 1st sector out then the BKK - SYD 1 page as SYD L/H return home if you get my drift. This happens. Sorry to harp on
No notice needs to be put out just remain as vigilant in recording cabin defects on all sectors of your work. This will help you providing the service you want.
The A330-300 there are about 4 with this CC rest defect. Its an Airbus problem and they like to take their sweet time getting back to us with a fix as its a lighting control software issue.
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CSM can,t call it either
BMB says "Secondly if CC feel that there are to many cabin defects talk to your CSM 'whom then can consult with Tech crew to call the delay as engineering won't.
there are set guidelines which the CSM has to check before he/she can ask for a delay. must be major safety or pax discomfort, like total IFE failure before departure. otherwise its just close the door, good luck and apologie airways as usual.
there are set guidelines which the CSM has to check before he/she can ask for a delay. must be major safety or pax discomfort, like total IFE failure before departure. otherwise its just close the door, good luck and apologie airways as usual.
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VR Numbers
Off topic ...sorry
I have 22 years up...my seniority went up 205 slots
My girlfiend has 14 years up..her seniority went up 264 slots
Conclusion: the rest of VR retirees were less than 14 years seniority(130)
or the rest of the retirees are yet to be taken out of the system.
Otherwise there were not 400 crew who took up VR
Anyone in the know confirm this ?
I have 22 years up...my seniority went up 205 slots
My girlfiend has 14 years up..her seniority went up 264 slots
Conclusion: the rest of VR retirees were less than 14 years seniority(130)
or the rest of the retirees are yet to be taken out of the system.
Otherwise there were not 400 crew who took up VR
Anyone in the know confirm this ?
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VR Numbers
I am not in the aviation industry, but my girlfriend is a S/H CSM with almost 29 years up and her seniority went up by 119 slots and having discovered this site, we think it an interesting one and want to continue with it. (I am the more computer literate one lol)
I have recently learned a new phrase "carmenised"
I have recently learned a new phrase "carmenised"
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The Numbers
Well Stubby those numbers dont add up...unless there was nealy 200 very junior crew take the package.
Figures quoted earlier were around 392.Which seem to fit the movement above me.
Figures quoted earlier were around 392.Which seem to fit the movement above me.
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There are a couple of things about the VR package that don't add up..
The first is that the company when the VR package was announced for L/H said they were worried that they would not get the numbers they required and that they would have to offer it to S/H as well to get the required 325 .
Then when they admitted that the offer was over subscribed and they did not know if the board would give it to all the crew over the 325 number they still offered it to S/H.
Then when the OK was given to all the L/H crew they still gave it to crew who asked if it was not too late.I don't know how many but there were some who got it after the deadline.
Now the company will still not tell anyone how many left.
I understand that quite a few junior crew did take it as they were fed up with no career progression..
So the final figure is only known to a select few and I can only imagine it is because the company does not want anyone to know or understand the impact of these numbers and the use of substitute crew from bases such as AKL to make up the difference especially for CSS's and CSM's
The first is that the company when the VR package was announced for L/H said they were worried that they would not get the numbers they required and that they would have to offer it to S/H as well to get the required 325 .
Then when they admitted that the offer was over subscribed and they did not know if the board would give it to all the crew over the 325 number they still offered it to S/H.
Then when the OK was given to all the L/H crew they still gave it to crew who asked if it was not too late.I don't know how many but there were some who got it after the deadline.
Now the company will still not tell anyone how many left.
I understand that quite a few junior crew did take it as they were fed up with no career progression..
So the final figure is only known to a select few and I can only imagine it is because the company does not want anyone to know or understand the impact of these numbers and the use of substitute crew from bases such as AKL to make up the difference especially for CSS's and CSM's
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I had heard that SH CSM's would fly with LH crews to make up the shortfall of the departure of all the LH CSM's who took the package on all non-747 routes.
Hows that for a rumour.
Hows that for a rumour.
