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Recently at work as part of a loss prevention scheme, a new procedure has been introduced which I would like to question. The company say we MUST now physically show a senior memeber of staff how much money we have in our wallets or purses before each duty and this is to be written down on a form with our initials. I certainly dont mind delaring how much money I'm carrying but can they really make us show another memeber of staff how much money we have? would really like an answer on this one, thanks.
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Ummmm interesting. Are you with a union?? I would get advice on this one. Sure you have nothing to hide but I for one certainly would not want to show the contents of my wallet to anyone.
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Well we have a union, however i'm not sure they seem to be doing anything? For one reason or another I think their hands are really tied. However a lot of ppl I spk to that fly or work in other sectors seem to think the whole thing is very intrusive. It's all very grey, but i'm interested to read the replies, thanks guys 
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yeah I can't help thinking it's breaking something lol. Yeah based in uk and lets jus say we used to wear a lot of black and yellow! not droppin any company names 
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HI,
I used to work for BY. We used to have to do this too at the briefing, left 6 years back so dont know if this is still the case. I personally did not mind declaring my cash as I think its a good thing as having a bar down is not good. However I do understand the privacy thing. Dont remember our union being involved in this one though.
I used to work for BY. We used to have to do this too at the briefing, left 6 years back so dont know if this is still the case. I personally did not mind declaring my cash as I think its a good thing as having a bar down is not good. However I do understand the privacy thing. Dont remember our union being involved in this one though.
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I would seriously protest this and perhaps call some employee rights organisation about this to figure out the legalities behind it. Im sure most senior crew members wouldnt bother with the checks being decent individuals and all but you will find one power hungry miserable senior who will get thrills out of checking and when you encounter people like this its good to know where you stand!
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Thanks for the post RE the union and it's actions at the moment. Thinking about it i'm sure your fighting our corner for us! On the most part the whole thing is intrusive but on the other part I can also see that as it stands and when the new system comes in anyone that doesn't fill in the form can easily have the finger pointed at them if the bar is down so it does provide some protection. maybe in the future it'll take a bit of backing down from both sides to reach an agreement on it.
Again thanks for that post it's made me feel a lot less frustrated with the whole thing knowing it's being looked into
Also thanks for the other posts, it's nice to know it's not just us that feel this way and i appreciate why ppl also think it's a good idea, partly i agree.
We just need to find an even ground
Again thanks for that post it's made me feel a lot less frustrated with the whole thing knowing it's being looked into
Also thanks for the other posts, it's nice to know it's not just us that feel this way and i appreciate why ppl also think it's a good idea, partly i agree.
We just need to find an even ground
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Hmmmn, that's a tough one.
On one hand I agree that it's good as far as pretty much guaranteeing no money would ever go missing if all the cash in your wallet was recorded and signed for. However in the same vein, I think it is a gross invasion of privacy and could lead to all sorts of problems. What happens if I start the day with $10 in my wallet then fish around in my bag for my lippy and low and behold find a fiver ... all of a sudden I am $5 up and should any money be missing - I'd be the one they'd blame. What about tips from passengers? I know my airline doesn't allow it and I'm always to embarrassed to accept tips anyway, but what about airlines that allow tips - how would that weigh in?
It's definitely a tough one. I just think it's a real shame that money goes missing in the first place. Fortunately it hasn't happened on any one of my flights *touch wood*, but it's happened to friends and they have been put through the wringer backwards in order to find the culprit! Turns out the money collected had actually been left on board in a cup in the galley cupboard. The next day a very lovely and honest cleaner bought it up to the Crewing Offices. No appology to the crew involved however ... hmmn.
On one hand I agree that it's good as far as pretty much guaranteeing no money would ever go missing if all the cash in your wallet was recorded and signed for. However in the same vein, I think it is a gross invasion of privacy and could lead to all sorts of problems. What happens if I start the day with $10 in my wallet then fish around in my bag for my lippy and low and behold find a fiver ... all of a sudden I am $5 up and should any money be missing - I'd be the one they'd blame. What about tips from passengers? I know my airline doesn't allow it and I'm always to embarrassed to accept tips anyway, but what about airlines that allow tips - how would that weigh in?
It's definitely a tough one. I just think it's a real shame that money goes missing in the first place. Fortunately it hasn't happened on any one of my flights *touch wood*, but it's happened to friends and they have been put through the wringer backwards in order to find the culprit! Turns out the money collected had actually been left on board in a cup in the galley cupboard. The next day a very lovely and honest cleaner bought it up to the Crewing Offices. No appology to the crew involved however ... hmmn.
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Hmmmmm.....same thing happened when I was working for FCA.
And, on top of that, you were required to count your money BEFORE check-in!!! I used to feel very uncomfortable as, since I couldn't have a credit/debit card yet, I had to carry lots of money on me for LH trips.
I used to hate counting and writing down ON THE BRIEFING ENVELOPE how much money I had. HATED IT SO MUCH!!!
And, on top of that, you were required to count your money BEFORE check-in!!! I used to feel very uncomfortable as, since I couldn't have a credit/debit card yet, I had to carry lots of money on me for LH trips.
I used to hate counting and writing down ON THE BRIEFING ENVELOPE how much money I had. HATED IT SO MUCH!!!
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Hmmm an interesting one. But one i don't see a problem with. I'd have no qualms with this situation - i don't think it's invading privacy at all. It'd probably be one of these things that works for the first month then when the thieves among the airline get the message it'll soon fade out.
I have no problem declaring what money i have before a flight, if only because i work in the industry so there's not all that much to show!
I have no problem declaring what money i have before a flight, if only because i work in the industry so there's not all that much to show!
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Striperalla, I have no problem with declaring how much money I have with me, But I have a major problem with having to physically show my wallet to a colleague, thats an invasion of privacy!!!
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Surely this is an invasion of privacy and the befefits will be outweighed by poor staff morale it has caused. It won't stop someone stealing money... do you know how much cash you can hide in a shoe or your sock etc.? And what would be the company's stance if you left with less money than you arrived with (maybe you bought a laptop from a colleague), would you then have to explain your personal finances to the company?
Huge invasion of privacy for not much gain to the company.
Sorry, this has really annoyed me!
Huge invasion of privacy for not much gain to the company.
Sorry, this has really annoyed me!
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Its not the showing your wallet that concerns me (but to be honest there would be no way on gods earth I would take my wallet out if asked, then what ?). Its the fact that your managers thought it was ok to suggest it.
How is it the saying goes; if you treat people like children they will act............
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How is it the saying goes; if you treat people like children they will act............
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OMG i really can't believe what i'm reading, an airline not only ask that you declare what money you have but that you show it to another colleague.
imagine if you had to do this if you worked in a bank or a bar (i've worked in both, and had to do neither) you'd tell them to stick it and find another ground job, airlines rely on the fact that you adore your job like no other and if they can treat you like filth to cover any hole they think there might be.
whether you are honest or not it is a great invasion of privacy. if you have a reputation as a certain type of person and keep private things in a private place (your purse) what right do a company have to ask you to either move them so others don't see them or to show them to a colleague.
they are queationing everybody's honesty which is understandable in the circumstances as there are innumerable bar downs however when you are trying to serve tea and coffee, sell fags and duty free on a 55 min jer with 3 crew and 148 pax what do they expect, you have money and exchange rates coming out of your ears with people trying to get rid of shi**y cash no one has ever heard of and trying to get it all counted on the a/c as you don't get paid on the ground.
i can see arguements for both causes but when it comes down to it is a question of morality and ethics.
imagine if you had to do this if you worked in a bank or a bar (i've worked in both, and had to do neither) you'd tell them to stick it and find another ground job, airlines rely on the fact that you adore your job like no other and if they can treat you like filth to cover any hole they think there might be.
whether you are honest or not it is a great invasion of privacy. if you have a reputation as a certain type of person and keep private things in a private place (your purse) what right do a company have to ask you to either move them so others don't see them or to show them to a colleague.
they are queationing everybody's honesty which is understandable in the circumstances as there are innumerable bar downs however when you are trying to serve tea and coffee, sell fags and duty free on a 55 min jer with 3 crew and 148 pax what do they expect, you have money and exchange rates coming out of your ears with people trying to get rid of shi**y cash no one has ever heard of and trying to get it all counted on the a/c as you don't get paid on the ground.
i can see arguements for both causes but when it comes down to it is a question of morality and ethics.
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We used to have to do this at MYT, we stopped for a while and then it was reintroduced. You would all just count your cash at the the briefing and it would logged on the flight report. Understand why it's done, and I also understand peoples embarrasment.
I have to say I didn't have a problem with it, as I saw it as a positive thing, even on the day I looked like a total pauper with only 25p in my wallet!
I have to say I didn't have a problem with it, as I saw it as a positive thing, even on the day I looked like a total pauper with only 25p in my wallet!
