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I agree with Guardian's comments.
The point you make is that if the FAAA doesn't listen to YOUR ideas, then they are being arrogant or dismissive.
What you fail to understand is that your views, hawkeyes and lowerlobes are not the views of most crew. Therefore, it's not a matter of the FAAA not listening to your viewpoint, rather it's a matter of the FAAA quite correctly, not accepting your impractical ideas.
There is little point in pandering to the rantings of the few unrepresentative and anti FAAA people who post in here and who continually just want to create drama (i.e. the nonsense of trying to make an issue of working to offset pay protection) and who are obviously totally out of their depth on issues of importance to crew.
The point you make is that if the FAAA doesn't listen to YOUR ideas, then they are being arrogant or dismissive.
What you fail to understand is that your views, hawkeyes and lowerlobes are not the views of most crew. Therefore, it's not a matter of the FAAA not listening to your viewpoint, rather it's a matter of the FAAA quite correctly, not accepting your impractical ideas.
There is little point in pandering to the rantings of the few unrepresentative and anti FAAA people who post in here and who continually just want to create drama (i.e. the nonsense of trying to make an issue of working to offset pay protection) and who are obviously totally out of their depth on issues of importance to crew.
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EDEN, your right there is no issue with someone doing a day trip to abolish pay protection. Do you think there is an issue with someone doing a 9 day london trip then operating the next day on their stand down?
Bottom line is there is no point debating this issue any further. The truth is out there with what one of our senior officials has done. They wont bother calling you in the office. the facts are clear. What makes this all the worse is that it is condoned by officials.
You havent received a phone call about this which means to you guys no one is talking about it or annoyed about it. You are more out of touch than youve been given credit for.
You should all be ashamed. never has the union and its leadership been so blatantly arrogant about undermining awards designed to protect our safety conditions.
Rumpelstiltskin has shown that he doesnt listen just berates us with why he is right. its called god complex.
Bottom line is there is no point debating this issue any further. The truth is out there with what one of our senior officials has done. They wont bother calling you in the office. the facts are clear. What makes this all the worse is that it is condoned by officials.
You havent received a phone call about this which means to you guys no one is talking about it or annoyed about it. You are more out of touch than youve been given credit for.
You should all be ashamed. never has the union and its leadership been so blatantly arrogant about undermining awards designed to protect our safety conditions.
Rumpelstiltskin has shown that he doesnt listen just berates us with why he is right. its called god complex.
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perhaps a better nick for you would be one-eyed.
You continue to display your ignorance and lack of understanding of our agreements. If a person wants to do a trip after a 9 day trip.... he or she is entitled to do that.
As Guardian rightly pointed out that has always been the case. There is no prohibition either in our agreements or by CASA or under OH&S LEGISLATION.
The problem is that you believe you are the arbiter of this, which in itself indicates your arrogance, the very thing you accuse the FAAA leadership of.
You talk of "undermining" of our conditions, which again indicates your clueless state that you are in. How can there be "undermining" when it is perfectly legal and appropriate for individuals to decide if they want to work on their days off to offset pay protection. You truly are a prize steggles turkey.
The only person out of touch is you and the tiny group of mates you have in here who are clearly Johanna Brem and Greg Broome supporters.
The current FAAA led by MM is the best ever, and most crew agree with that. They have done what they have said , and that is to reverse the failures of the previous turkeys who you so obviously and transparently support.
The FAAA has been spot on with its decisions and the fact that you can't get a JFK shuttle because they are so popular, indicates that the FAAA knows what it is doing.
God help us if the likes of you had the power to make decisions....... we would all be out on the street as Guardian indicated.
You continue to display your ignorance and lack of understanding of our agreements. If a person wants to do a trip after a 9 day trip.... he or she is entitled to do that.
As Guardian rightly pointed out that has always been the case. There is no prohibition either in our agreements or by CASA or under OH&S LEGISLATION.
The problem is that you believe you are the arbiter of this, which in itself indicates your arrogance, the very thing you accuse the FAAA leadership of.
You talk of "undermining" of our conditions, which again indicates your clueless state that you are in. How can there be "undermining" when it is perfectly legal and appropriate for individuals to decide if they want to work on their days off to offset pay protection. You truly are a prize steggles turkey.
The only person out of touch is you and the tiny group of mates you have in here who are clearly Johanna Brem and Greg Broome supporters.
The current FAAA led by MM is the best ever, and most crew agree with that. They have done what they have said , and that is to reverse the failures of the previous turkeys who you so obviously and transparently support.
The FAAA has been spot on with its decisions and the fact that you can't get a JFK shuttle because they are so popular, indicates that the FAAA knows what it is doing.
God help us if the likes of you had the power to make decisions....... we would all be out on the street as Guardian indicated.
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Hawkeye Minority
Hawkeye...you are a minority of one.
I am junior and the crews I fly with are junior.
None of us has any of the problems with any of the stuff you talk about.
I think you are way out of touch.
I am junior and the crews I fly with are junior.
None of us has any of the problems with any of the stuff you talk about.
I think you are way out of touch.
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I see it very clearly and its simple, yes we can certainly infringe our MBT, its up to the individual.
The BIG problem here is it was an official of the FAAA and he did it on THAT day, IT is an issue and people are concerned.
I noticed in Guardian and Edens reply that NO mention is ever made about THAT.
Have you lot ever heard of the word "example".
So are you telling us Eden and Guardian that its OK for FAAA officials to send out letters to support that day, yet its OK for another FAAA official to work when they should be there.
What would the ACTU say about that!
The BIG problem here is it was an official of the FAAA and he did it on THAT day, IT is an issue and people are concerned.
I noticed in Guardian and Edens reply that NO mention is ever made about THAT.
Have you lot ever heard of the word "example".
So are you telling us Eden and Guardian that its OK for FAAA officials to send out letters to support that day, yet its OK for another FAAA official to work when they should be there.
What would the ACTU say about that!
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Guys.... you have made it clear that some of you are pissed of with some FAAA L/H dude who worked when he should/shouldnt have.
OK......lets move on , it's pretty boring for the rest of us here!!!!
OK......lets move on , it's pretty boring for the rest of us here!!!!
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It may be boring to you syd sh, totally understand that.
But I am astounded by the replies from the FAAA.
Please fell free to start another topic.
Otherwise please feel free to change the channel....dude
I'm still interested in watching the spin that is coming out!
truly mind blowing!
But I am astounded by the replies from the FAAA.
Please fell free to start another topic.
Otherwise please feel free to change the channel....dude
I'm still interested in watching the spin that is coming out!
truly mind blowing!
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A far better rumour
The word is that DOTARS are proposing regulations that would prohibit and operating cabin crew member or tech crew member from having a family member on the aircraft when they are operating.
This would also preclude husbands and wives from Flying together or travel companions with operating crew.
Story goes that they believe that the family/friend could be used as leverage in a hostage situation to access the flight deck...
Any views????
This would also preclude husbands and wives from Flying together or travel companions with operating crew.
Story goes that they believe that the family/friend could be used as leverage in a hostage situation to access the flight deck...
Any views????
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deflection its a good strategy Peg.
give you 100 points for trying, I think the point has been made, time for some reflection.
Syd shaul it would not surprise me!
If the domestic faaa president can go to LHR and operate as a CSM then anything is possible.
No lets really start on a new topic, a valid one.
Anyone know the latest on the flight attendant that was detained in SYD for having drugs or Steroids strapped to her body.
Of the lax flight yesterday, I heard she was on staff travel others have told me she was operating.
Any news, this is a beauty!
She has faarrked it up for everyone, here comes the long long searches.
give you 100 points for trying, I think the point has been made, time for some reflection.
Syd shaul it would not surprise me!
If the domestic faaa president can go to LHR and operate as a CSM then anything is possible.
No lets really start on a new topic, a valid one.
Anyone know the latest on the flight attendant that was detained in SYD for having drugs or Steroids strapped to her body.
Of the lax flight yesterday, I heard she was on staff travel others have told me she was operating.
Any news, this is a beauty!
She has faarrked it up for everyone, here comes the long long searches.
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Criminally Insane
DOTARS and its bureaucrats have way too much time on their hands.
This type of proposal indicates that they are way out of touch with reality
They are really allowing terrorists to dictate the state of play
This type of proposal indicates that they are way out of touch with reality
They are really allowing terrorists to dictate the state of play
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well i think that the whole thing sounds totally rediculous and a typical bureaucratic stuff up.... these are the people who say no knives or nail clippers but you can bring on your bottles of duty free that could be smashed and do far more damage than a bloody butter knife.
I know that the FAAA/AIPA are making submissions on the issue and are also lobbying the bureaucrats ine canberra.
Could you imagine what a bloody unworkable nightmare it would be..oSAMa would be laughing in his cave as we speak
I know that the FAAA/AIPA are making submissions on the issue and are also lobbying the bureaucrats ine canberra.
Could you imagine what a bloody unworkable nightmare it would be..oSAMa would be laughing in his cave as we speak
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the bust
I can confirm that steroids were involved and she was actually an operating CSM -apparently a customs agent observed a testicle dropping down from under her uniform skirt -she is a an ex- L/H line manager who still aspires to a "higher" non- flying management position.
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Well speaking of S/H, LHR Base and CSM's....
rumour # 1002392839....
The S/H crew that went to London and became CSM/CSS's will be able to transfer back to Oz as L/H CSM/CSS's.
Get that rumour into ya!
rumour # 1002392839....
The S/H crew that went to London and became CSM/CSS's will be able to transfer back to Oz as L/H CSM/CSS's.
Get that rumour into ya!
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that rumour has been done to death syd/short, bit late mate!
cant happen in LH award, but look out at s/haul your award does not stop this.
I have heard they are really anal retentive to the point of hysteria.
good luck....
cant happen in LH award, but look out at s/haul your award does not stop this.
I have heard they are really anal retentive to the point of hysteria.
good luck....
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internal qf secondments
hi i was one of the old secondments and they will notify us but this may take them at least another 3 to 4 weeks you will eventually hear from them dont worry but it may take a long time...
i dont think at this stage they have anything to offer but one would hope
i dont think at this stage they have anything to offer but one would hope
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I to was one of the old secondments. I loved flying and was passionate about customer service. Its sad when you get on a flight now and the crew throw things at you and I think to myself how much better I would be able to do. With the new IR laws in place you never know what QF could come up with. I wouldnt be surprised if they call us back on a different contract lower rate of pay. This is possible with the new changes in place. Any thoughts anybody??
Let hope we hear somthing soooooon.
Let hope we hear somthing soooooon.
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you are exactly right the point was well and truly made. It was nice to see his fellow officials rally round in his defence.The damage is done . What is sad is that the guy did have some cred. Now he will be one of those whipered about with the same regard as they whisper about the fool who came home from LA and flew the same day. Not great company to be included in. To the one who did it. After everyone has had there say about it on here, unfortunately people tend to remember the bad things about someone not the good things. Sad i know.
Thanks for the laugh short haul.Whats funny is the look on your faces when you get the sin,drw,adl ,syd trips back. Its just a long day for Long haulers its what we do. Its not the quick one hour sectors.Youll get used to it, sooner or later we will all be part of one flying group. No seniority system then, no pick your one day trips or only short haul sectors, there'll be plenty of long night sectors for you guys to enjoy. We do night sectors all the time.Its one thing to choose to do them its another when you have no choice.
Are u still making jokes of long haul? S Haul I happen to have a great sense of humour but it stopped with S Haul when we were penalised in your last EBA on the band payments and you guys agreed to do L Haul flying. Not a good way to stay friends.Wait till the IR laws are used and Jetstar intnl starts up.We will all be affected.At least our officials can now prove that a 9 day trip then working the next day is not an unreasonable expectation for the Company to have. Maybe thats how guardian intends to make us more competitive.What do you think of that pattern S Haul. Ask Peg he'll tell you its what we do!
On a lighter note - Does anyone know if there has been anything posted on here about the jetstar pilots EBA? Its supposed to have allegedly undercut LH and SH pilots pay - a rumour at this stage.
you are exactly right the point was well and truly made. It was nice to see his fellow officials rally round in his defence.The damage is done . What is sad is that the guy did have some cred. Now he will be one of those whipered about with the same regard as they whisper about the fool who came home from LA and flew the same day. Not great company to be included in. To the one who did it. After everyone has had there say about it on here, unfortunately people tend to remember the bad things about someone not the good things. Sad i know.
Thanks for the laugh short haul.Whats funny is the look on your faces when you get the sin,drw,adl ,syd trips back. Its just a long day for Long haulers its what we do. Its not the quick one hour sectors.Youll get used to it, sooner or later we will all be part of one flying group. No seniority system then, no pick your one day trips or only short haul sectors, there'll be plenty of long night sectors for you guys to enjoy. We do night sectors all the time.Its one thing to choose to do them its another when you have no choice.
Are u still making jokes of long haul? S Haul I happen to have a great sense of humour but it stopped with S Haul when we were penalised in your last EBA on the band payments and you guys agreed to do L Haul flying. Not a good way to stay friends.Wait till the IR laws are used and Jetstar intnl starts up.We will all be affected.At least our officials can now prove that a 9 day trip then working the next day is not an unreasonable expectation for the Company to have. Maybe thats how guardian intends to make us more competitive.What do you think of that pattern S Haul. Ask Peg he'll tell you its what we do!
On a lighter note - Does anyone know if there has been anything posted on here about the jetstar pilots EBA? Its supposed to have allegedly undercut LH and SH pilots pay - a rumour at this stage.