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Had a passenger onboard who claimed to be an "advisor" to CEO's.
I assumed she was some sort of "stylist" who works to soften the reptilian [eat their own young] demeanor that these types typically have.
Anyway, she claimed to have worked extensively with both dick'son and Strong.
She had spent much time with darth and claimed that he couldn't care less about Qantas.
Jetstar was his baby and that was ALL he cared about.
No revelation to us at the rat I suppose...........
I assumed she was some sort of "stylist" who works to soften the reptilian [eat their own young] demeanor that these types typically have.
Anyway, she claimed to have worked extensively with both dick'son and Strong.
She had spent much time with darth and claimed that he couldn't care less about Qantas.
Jetstar was his baby and that was ALL he cared about.
No revelation to us at the rat I suppose...........
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All i can say is that just as some cant find anyone who voted for the NYC dispensation i cant find any flight attendants that will admit to voting liberal.
The reality is that over 50% of flight attendants would have voted for the liberals. The fact that they wont admit to it is not a function of who conducted the election but the fact that they are pathalogical liars at worst or afraid to own up to the truth at best
The reality is that over 50% of flight attendants would have voted for the liberals. The fact that they wont admit to it is not a function of who conducted the election but the fact that they are pathalogical liars at worst or afraid to own up to the truth at best
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Peg, you're missing the point - or ignoring it.
Next time there is a vote ensure that the AEC handles it. Then you wont either have to defend yourself or make bald attempts at misdirection with your answers.
Bottom line, irrespective of who is telling the truth or not this should not have been a topic up for discussion.If you wanted it to be totally transparent you should have had the AEC run it.
Next time there is a vote ensure that the AEC handles it. Then you wont either have to defend yourself or make bald attempts at misdirection with your answers.
Bottom line, irrespective of who is telling the truth or not this should not have been a topic up for discussion.If you wanted it to be totally transparent you should have had the AEC run it.
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Jet Black mongrel.
Don't you worry about us I think you have enough on your hands at Virgin!
Is it true that you will have to buy your own face painting equipment and that you will now have to perform a jig when doing your safety demo!!
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Don't you worry about us I think you have enough on your hands at Virgin!
Is it true that you will have to buy your own face painting equipment and that you will now have to perform a jig when doing your safety demo!!
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The latest almost FAAA Annual Newsletter for 2006
FAAA ANNUAL NEWSLETTER FOR 2006
Welcome to the faaa’s annual newsletter for this year. We are sending this out a little earlier because of the news of Australian Airlines but more about that later.
This newsletter is being sent to you from the bunker in the FAAA’s new HQ here in mascot.The FAAA has had the bunker built deep under the HQ so as to withstand any amount of ICANS, phone calls and clause 11’s.I can assure you that Andrew Smedenkoff, Sven Reeder and myself are safe inside this building.Rumours that Darth is building a bunker bomb are just speculation and totally untrue and what really cuts to the quick is that we agreed to the JFK dispensation to show we are flexible. It just goes to show you how ungrateful Darth is and how short his promises are…sorry memory is.
Well, as we know from the other day’s announcement from that lovely couple Darth and Alan ,AO will be a collectors dream after July ,model aircraft and other trinkets in AO’s colours have gone up 500% overnight and some of us have made a lot on Ebay already.The faaa has worked tirelessly with the company to achieve this and I know you are all proud of us.This shows that the faaa’s policy of appeasement and flexibility is working and the company realises that we are on their side…this is another reason we had the bunker built.
Rumour buster #47,892…..The Company is not going to direct crew with more than 16 weeks sick leave to take directed sick leave. This is a cowardly rumour ....The correct figure is 20 weeks sick leave, so if you have more than 20 weeks sick leave accrued you will have sick leave directed to be taken in lots of 14 days….Remember to fill out the forms in triplicate and have your manager sign it and keep the pink…or as I call it magenta copy for your solicitor.
As I have said the faaa’s policy is one of appeasement and it is working, the union has never been so financially solid. We decided to build our new site in Mascot before other crew started to lose jobs and our contributions dropped off.
Another reason the faaa is rolling over is to help you remember fondly the good old days…..especially compared to now .I think nostalgia is a wonderful theme and we can all think back longingly at the past when we had more than 2 nights off after a long trip, before clause 11’s and 6 hour plus meal services, shirts and trousers that had pockets, and more than 10 crew on a 747…oops that is the next rumour, sorry remember stay flexible.
The faaa OH&S committee has decided that crew are not to wear balaclavas and must wear name badges at all times. We realise that receiving a clause 11 is traumatic and crew will do anything to prevent being recognised and nominated for one and that a clause 11 is costly but it does keep our union officials in shape walking to QCC 6 or 7 times a day and we are having hankies with the faaa logo for all crew going into one of the interrogation suites. We in the Darwinian bunker in the faaa believe that clause 11’s are a part of natural selection and therefore if you bend over and play the game with the company like we do and did I mention being flexible then you have nothing to worry about. Just ask all the crew up in FNQ with AO what they think about us and how we looked after their interests.
The Accommodation committee has told us that the new crew hotels in SFO and NRT are fantastic, the Sucked Inn Hotel in SFO with it’s authentic Japanese paper walls and 1960’s air-conditioning units bought from the Illikai hotel in HNL is a huge hit as is the “planes, trains and aeroplanes" Insecure hotel in NRT especially the rooms on platforms 4, 5, and 6.
It’s great to see so many people catching trains to work even more crowded than around the toilets in E Zone after a Hot Chocolate service and just after you have worked all night .The company has also gone to extreme lengths to authentically reproduce the sound of call light chimes with the rail crossing just next to your bed ringing 3 times a minute and as you can imagine this has also been a big help with crew trying to sleep. The railway platform staff have been very helpfull and wave enthusiastically when they recognise you getting out of bed.
Remember you are only entitled to 20 minutes sleep after the first 6 hours in a slip port then 20 minutes every 4 hours after that and that is because the company has your well being at the forefront of their efforts to secure suitable accommodation.Everyday tourists could never find such outstanding examples of accommodation as our company does and continues to in other slip ports.we will let you know in our 2007 newsletter other examples of the company bending over backwards to help us out.
Well, that’s about it for now and remember the faaa is behind you all the way…well behind
MM
My apologies to AO crew for this latest announcement regarding the closure of AO, this parody is not meant to belittle the situation but rather motivate the faaa ….hopefully
LL
Welcome to the faaa’s annual newsletter for this year. We are sending this out a little earlier because of the news of Australian Airlines but more about that later.
This newsletter is being sent to you from the bunker in the FAAA’s new HQ here in mascot.The FAAA has had the bunker built deep under the HQ so as to withstand any amount of ICANS, phone calls and clause 11’s.I can assure you that Andrew Smedenkoff, Sven Reeder and myself are safe inside this building.Rumours that Darth is building a bunker bomb are just speculation and totally untrue and what really cuts to the quick is that we agreed to the JFK dispensation to show we are flexible. It just goes to show you how ungrateful Darth is and how short his promises are…sorry memory is.
Well, as we know from the other day’s announcement from that lovely couple Darth and Alan ,AO will be a collectors dream after July ,model aircraft and other trinkets in AO’s colours have gone up 500% overnight and some of us have made a lot on Ebay already.The faaa has worked tirelessly with the company to achieve this and I know you are all proud of us.This shows that the faaa’s policy of appeasement and flexibility is working and the company realises that we are on their side…this is another reason we had the bunker built.
Rumour buster #47,892…..The Company is not going to direct crew with more than 16 weeks sick leave to take directed sick leave. This is a cowardly rumour ....The correct figure is 20 weeks sick leave, so if you have more than 20 weeks sick leave accrued you will have sick leave directed to be taken in lots of 14 days….Remember to fill out the forms in triplicate and have your manager sign it and keep the pink…or as I call it magenta copy for your solicitor.
As I have said the faaa’s policy is one of appeasement and it is working, the union has never been so financially solid. We decided to build our new site in Mascot before other crew started to lose jobs and our contributions dropped off.
Another reason the faaa is rolling over is to help you remember fondly the good old days…..especially compared to now .I think nostalgia is a wonderful theme and we can all think back longingly at the past when we had more than 2 nights off after a long trip, before clause 11’s and 6 hour plus meal services, shirts and trousers that had pockets, and more than 10 crew on a 747…oops that is the next rumour, sorry remember stay flexible.
The faaa OH&S committee has decided that crew are not to wear balaclavas and must wear name badges at all times. We realise that receiving a clause 11 is traumatic and crew will do anything to prevent being recognised and nominated for one and that a clause 11 is costly but it does keep our union officials in shape walking to QCC 6 or 7 times a day and we are having hankies with the faaa logo for all crew going into one of the interrogation suites. We in the Darwinian bunker in the faaa believe that clause 11’s are a part of natural selection and therefore if you bend over and play the game with the company like we do and did I mention being flexible then you have nothing to worry about. Just ask all the crew up in FNQ with AO what they think about us and how we looked after their interests.
The Accommodation committee has told us that the new crew hotels in SFO and NRT are fantastic, the Sucked Inn Hotel in SFO with it’s authentic Japanese paper walls and 1960’s air-conditioning units bought from the Illikai hotel in HNL is a huge hit as is the “planes, trains and aeroplanes" Insecure hotel in NRT especially the rooms on platforms 4, 5, and 6.
It’s great to see so many people catching trains to work even more crowded than around the toilets in E Zone after a Hot Chocolate service and just after you have worked all night .The company has also gone to extreme lengths to authentically reproduce the sound of call light chimes with the rail crossing just next to your bed ringing 3 times a minute and as you can imagine this has also been a big help with crew trying to sleep. The railway platform staff have been very helpfull and wave enthusiastically when they recognise you getting out of bed.
Remember you are only entitled to 20 minutes sleep after the first 6 hours in a slip port then 20 minutes every 4 hours after that and that is because the company has your well being at the forefront of their efforts to secure suitable accommodation.Everyday tourists could never find such outstanding examples of accommodation as our company does and continues to in other slip ports.we will let you know in our 2007 newsletter other examples of the company bending over backwards to help us out.
Well, that’s about it for now and remember the faaa is behind you all the way…well behind
MM
My apologies to AO crew for this latest announcement regarding the closure of AO, this parody is not meant to belittle the situation but rather motivate the faaa ….hopefully
LL
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EMPTY VESSELS MAKE THE MOST NOISE
The only constant in this small and unrepresentative forum is the usual ill-informed hot air from individuals like lowerlobe and QCC2 and the usual cowardly libel coming from lowerlobe.
It's truly pathetic to see comments made from the cloak of anonymity suggesting that the FAAA would rig the JFK ballot, and these comments are indicative of how truly stupid those making the comments are.
Firstly, some of the "industrial geniuses" in here , who think they know so much about the complex issues facing us, should therefore know that every EBA has a FACILITATIVE PROVISION which empowers the FAAA and the employer (in this case QF) to reach agreements that would otherwise be in conflict with a provision of an EBA.
Therefore:
1) No vote was necessary on JFK IN THE FIRST INSTANCE
2) WHY WOULD THE FAAA RIG A VOTE TO GET AN OUTCOME...WHEN IT DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE?
3)A vote was arranged by the FAAA to see if most of our members understood the need to be flexible... that is why there was a vote...and this was explained in newsletter after newsletter.
There have only been 2 votes on industrial issues in the history of the FAAA. Both were organised and conducted and counted by the FAAA.
The first was the "blue book" vote in 1998 over the restructure and the second vote was the recent JFK vote. The first vote failed and the second vote on JFK was supported by a resounding 71% of cabin crew.
The supposed "fact" that anonymous individuals in here assert, that they cannot find people who voted yes is utter and complete rubbish and lies and is further indicative of the rabble that these individuals are. Not only are they totally out of touch with the vast mainstream of crew but they are liars too and prepared to post defammatory rubbish on here.
Rather than being anonymous wimps why don't you publically assert that the vote was rigged? You will be served writs faster than you can blink and you better make sure you have plenty of assets.
Hawkeye i thought you were redeeming yourself and it is a shame you seem to be supportiing some of this rubbish about rigging a vote.
Unlike some morons in here, the FAAA leadership are not going to destroy their credibility and good names and the reputation of the FAAA in order to rig a vote.... a vote which was conducted to gain approval of crew to ensure their jobs were not placed under further pressure.
It is truly remarkable and hugely disappointing and disheartening that we have such utter idiots amongst our membership and officials of the FAAA could be forgiven for considering why they even bother to fight for L/H and its job security when comments such as the rigging comments are made by some crew.
The challenges being posed to L/H crew are huge, they come from unrelenting pressure from QF, based on the massive cost differential that exists between L/H crew and Australian Airlines, overseas based crew, S/H crew and the newly formed Jetstar International. Overlaid on this is the new Industrial Legislation, the new Industrial Regulations and the associated complex matters such as the "prohibited matters".
All that i am certain of is that L/H crew are very fortunate indeed to have the current L/H FAAA officials and not former officials or some of the remarkably untalented and cowardly who post in here.
It's truly pathetic to see comments made from the cloak of anonymity suggesting that the FAAA would rig the JFK ballot, and these comments are indicative of how truly stupid those making the comments are.
Firstly, some of the "industrial geniuses" in here , who think they know so much about the complex issues facing us, should therefore know that every EBA has a FACILITATIVE PROVISION which empowers the FAAA and the employer (in this case QF) to reach agreements that would otherwise be in conflict with a provision of an EBA.
Therefore:
1) No vote was necessary on JFK IN THE FIRST INSTANCE
2) WHY WOULD THE FAAA RIG A VOTE TO GET AN OUTCOME...WHEN IT DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE?
3)A vote was arranged by the FAAA to see if most of our members understood the need to be flexible... that is why there was a vote...and this was explained in newsletter after newsletter.
There have only been 2 votes on industrial issues in the history of the FAAA. Both were organised and conducted and counted by the FAAA.
The first was the "blue book" vote in 1998 over the restructure and the second vote was the recent JFK vote. The first vote failed and the second vote on JFK was supported by a resounding 71% of cabin crew.
The supposed "fact" that anonymous individuals in here assert, that they cannot find people who voted yes is utter and complete rubbish and lies and is further indicative of the rabble that these individuals are. Not only are they totally out of touch with the vast mainstream of crew but they are liars too and prepared to post defammatory rubbish on here.
Rather than being anonymous wimps why don't you publically assert that the vote was rigged? You will be served writs faster than you can blink and you better make sure you have plenty of assets.
Hawkeye i thought you were redeeming yourself and it is a shame you seem to be supportiing some of this rubbish about rigging a vote.
Unlike some morons in here, the FAAA leadership are not going to destroy their credibility and good names and the reputation of the FAAA in order to rig a vote.... a vote which was conducted to gain approval of crew to ensure their jobs were not placed under further pressure.
It is truly remarkable and hugely disappointing and disheartening that we have such utter idiots amongst our membership and officials of the FAAA could be forgiven for considering why they even bother to fight for L/H and its job security when comments such as the rigging comments are made by some crew.
The challenges being posed to L/H crew are huge, they come from unrelenting pressure from QF, based on the massive cost differential that exists between L/H crew and Australian Airlines, overseas based crew, S/H crew and the newly formed Jetstar International. Overlaid on this is the new Industrial Legislation, the new Industrial Regulations and the associated complex matters such as the "prohibited matters".
All that i am certain of is that L/H crew are very fortunate indeed to have the current L/H FAAA officials and not former officials or some of the remarkably untalented and cowardly who post in here.
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HUMOUR
lowerlobe whilst you are a coward and a nit wit at times, your last post clearly indicates a good sense of humour.
If only your great sense of humour could be matched with some rudimentary knowlege of the complexity of the issues facing all crew and the FAAA, then your other posts would be treated with the same appreciation by the FAAA elected officials and the vast majority of the members who appreciate the enormous task ahead for the FAAA officials.
If only your great sense of humour could be matched with some rudimentary knowlege of the complexity of the issues facing all crew and the FAAA, then your other posts would be treated with the same appreciation by the FAAA elected officials and the vast majority of the members who appreciate the enormous task ahead for the FAAA officials.
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On a separate note this was issued this morning by our Illustious great and very forward thinking company
Company News
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13 April 2006
Important Safety Alert - Orange Stress Airplanes
POTENTIAL CHOKING HAZARD
In the interest of safety, we are making all employees aware that the orange stress airplane distributed during Safety Week should not be given to young children.
There have been two reported incidents of infants being at risk of choking after breaking off parts of the plane.
If you have one of these stress planes, please ensure this it is kept out of reach of young children. If you have given yours to family or friends with young children, please warn them of the hazard.
This is a timely reminder that vigilance is required with young children and small colourful objects.
Issued by Employee Communication
Qantas Group Broadcast Message
- Issued by Employee Communication -
email: [email protected]
I mean did anyone think ahead, or is this just like the latest Economy debacle, to me its a case of total incompetence...
Company News
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13 April 2006
Important Safety Alert - Orange Stress Airplanes
POTENTIAL CHOKING HAZARD
In the interest of safety, we are making all employees aware that the orange stress airplane distributed during Safety Week should not be given to young children.
There have been two reported incidents of infants being at risk of choking after breaking off parts of the plane.
If you have one of these stress planes, please ensure this it is kept out of reach of young children. If you have given yours to family or friends with young children, please warn them of the hazard.
This is a timely reminder that vigilance is required with young children and small colourful objects.
Issued by Employee Communication
Qantas Group Broadcast Message
- Issued by Employee Communication -
email: [email protected]
I mean did anyone think ahead, or is this just like the latest Economy debacle, to me its a case of total incompetence...
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.............'enough to make one CHOKE !
I sat aghast when I read this latest post.
You have got to be kidding me. During that week I think the GOONS referred to as SAFETY WEEK -they distribute a "Stress Toy".
Again, this just typifies the way Qantas does things at the moment.
READY -FIRE-AIM.
No planning, no testing, no consultation -just wack it out and hope for the best.(see Y/C abomination)
If a child suffers an injury from this gross example of incompetence -then someone has to be made accountable.
I nominate the Black Widow................or better still -"Lurch"
During "SAFETY WEEK" -she came into one of our transparent Briefing rooms and prattled on about how we need to be more careful and how we need to reduce our LTI's ( what tha????? )
Who gives a flying fig about her KPI's.???????
The whole crew -(CSM included) belly laughed for about 2 minutes after she ooozed out of our aquarium.
Next year I propose we should have:
SHAG WEEK in lieu of safety week.
Hand out condoms -no risk of choking on these.............hopefully ??
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You have got to be kidding me. During that week I think the GOONS referred to as SAFETY WEEK -they distribute a "Stress Toy".
Again, this just typifies the way Qantas does things at the moment.
READY -FIRE-AIM.
No planning, no testing, no consultation -just wack it out and hope for the best.(see Y/C abomination)
If a child suffers an injury from this gross example of incompetence -then someone has to be made accountable.
I nominate the Black Widow................or better still -"Lurch"
During "SAFETY WEEK" -she came into one of our transparent Briefing rooms and prattled on about how we need to be more careful and how we need to reduce our LTI's ( what tha????? )
Who gives a flying fig about her KPI's.???????
The whole crew -(CSM included) belly laughed for about 2 minutes after she ooozed out of our aquarium.
Next year I propose we should have:
SHAG WEEK in lieu of safety week.
Hand out condoms -no risk of choking on these.............hopefully ??
www
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I just love the gravitas in this statement :
This is a timely reminder that vigilance is required with young children and small colourful objects.
Are they for real ?
This is a timely reminder that vigilance is required with young children and small colourful objects.
Are they for real ?
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Guardian,
3 points here.
1 As you are aware there have been lots of comments about the JFK vote. I have at no time suggested there was any supposed rigging. Read my post it says that by having the AEC handle any votes on issues ensures there are no such remarks by others on here or elsewhere about votes by members. Where did I ever suggest any supposed rigging?
2 I thought a vote was designed to allow the members to give direction to an undetermined position. A vote is a decision by the members for the members. Forgive me but where is it that a vote held by a union or any other body is only an exercise to determine whether we understand the need to be flexible.
If the vote had been NO does that mean we wouldn't understand the need and it would be ignored - please explain.
3 As to no one admitting they voted yes being lies and rubbish I suggest you get out on the track and ask the question many of us have. Their answer has reflected that many people are not being honest with how they voted or as I stated in my earlier post I asked the wrong people. I believe my posts have been very unbiased about this issue. The fact is very few admit to voting yes, FACT not LIES! It's a little similar to who voted liberal I suppose.
3 points here.
1 As you are aware there have been lots of comments about the JFK vote. I have at no time suggested there was any supposed rigging. Read my post it says that by having the AEC handle any votes on issues ensures there are no such remarks by others on here or elsewhere about votes by members. Where did I ever suggest any supposed rigging?
2 I thought a vote was designed to allow the members to give direction to an undetermined position. A vote is a decision by the members for the members. Forgive me but where is it that a vote held by a union or any other body is only an exercise to determine whether we understand the need to be flexible.
If the vote had been NO does that mean we wouldn't understand the need and it would be ignored - please explain.
3 As to no one admitting they voted yes being lies and rubbish I suggest you get out on the track and ask the question many of us have. Their answer has reflected that many people are not being honest with how they voted or as I stated in my earlier post I asked the wrong people. I believe my posts have been very unbiased about this issue. The fact is very few admit to voting yes, FACT not LIES! It's a little similar to who voted liberal I suppose.
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hawkeye you took my comments about your support of lowerlobes comments, about a fictional rigging of the JFK vote, too narrowly. I simply meant i was disappointed that by saying you agreed with his (lowerlobes)stupid comments about having the AEC organise the vote, that in effect you were giving credence to the possibility of the FAAA vote as somehow not being legitimite.
Of course, you didn't say that was the case..... i wasn't suggesting that.
The final point i'm going to make about the actual vote mechanism and arrangement is this..... crew elect officials in the FAAA.... it is not too much to expect that there should be an acceptance by rational people that our elected representatives...no matter who they are ... would not act to "rig" any vote. People who actually believe in such a proposition are actually suggesting that crew generally then are disreputable and dishonourable people.... and in fact, prepared to engage in almost criminal behaviour...because the FAAA officials are all flight attendants too.
Paying a large amount of money to the AEC to send out and count ballot papers is not a good or sensible use of resources for a small union, just to appease the lunatic fringe who see conspiracy everywhere. Furthermore, the FAAA is simply not going to pander to these sorts of suggestions...to do so is to indirectly acquiesce that there is even a remote possibility that rigging or other illegal behaviour could occur.
In relation to the JFK vote..... it was about getting approval from crew about the specific change to the 14 hour planned limitation BUT and more importantly, it was about seeing if crew understood the more important issue of whether the FAAA's call for the need for flexibility generally... was being understood and accepted by crew. THIS WAS STRESSED IN EVERY NEWSLETTER ON THE ISSUE. CLEARLY THE PENNY HASN'T DROPPED WITH SOME INDIVIDUALS, BUT CERTAINLY IT HAS WITH MOST CREW.
(and i'm not suggesting that you don't understand that point hawkeye).
If the vote had been NO, that would have meant that the FAAA didn't explain the issue sufficiently, what it also would have meant , is that QF would accelerate the closure of the L/H Division. The vote was a demonstration to QF by the FAAA leadership that QF's view of L/H as being totally obstructive , was in fact incorrect.
Maybe it hasn't dawned on some people yet, but crew in L/H are well and truly in the sights of the QF gun. The FAAA is trying to convince the most senior level in QF that L/H crew and their job security should be protected. How ridiculous and how undermined would that endeavour by the FAAA have beeen, if crew had rejected the JFK dispensation. Dixon would have had his view of L/H confirmed and the Company would have been pushed even more to the prevailing view in senior QF circles , that L/H needs to be closed down and substituted by their "other options".
There are many things occurring in the background at the moment, some of which can be discussed publicly and some which can't. Also, we are not privvy to Company planning that is also occurring.
The FAAA has delivered on it's promises to crew and the current FAAA people do not lie to crew. In this dangerous environment that we are in...L/H crew should trust that their best interests are being served, both in what is happenning publicly and what is occurring behind the scenes.
Suggestions, by people like lowerlobe if actually listened to and acted upon would result in disaster., and that is why suggestions by people with no idea will and have to be totally ignored.
Of course, you didn't say that was the case..... i wasn't suggesting that.
The final point i'm going to make about the actual vote mechanism and arrangement is this..... crew elect officials in the FAAA.... it is not too much to expect that there should be an acceptance by rational people that our elected representatives...no matter who they are ... would not act to "rig" any vote. People who actually believe in such a proposition are actually suggesting that crew generally then are disreputable and dishonourable people.... and in fact, prepared to engage in almost criminal behaviour...because the FAAA officials are all flight attendants too.
Paying a large amount of money to the AEC to send out and count ballot papers is not a good or sensible use of resources for a small union, just to appease the lunatic fringe who see conspiracy everywhere. Furthermore, the FAAA is simply not going to pander to these sorts of suggestions...to do so is to indirectly acquiesce that there is even a remote possibility that rigging or other illegal behaviour could occur.
In relation to the JFK vote..... it was about getting approval from crew about the specific change to the 14 hour planned limitation BUT and more importantly, it was about seeing if crew understood the more important issue of whether the FAAA's call for the need for flexibility generally... was being understood and accepted by crew. THIS WAS STRESSED IN EVERY NEWSLETTER ON THE ISSUE. CLEARLY THE PENNY HASN'T DROPPED WITH SOME INDIVIDUALS, BUT CERTAINLY IT HAS WITH MOST CREW.
(and i'm not suggesting that you don't understand that point hawkeye).
If the vote had been NO, that would have meant that the FAAA didn't explain the issue sufficiently, what it also would have meant , is that QF would accelerate the closure of the L/H Division. The vote was a demonstration to QF by the FAAA leadership that QF's view of L/H as being totally obstructive , was in fact incorrect.
Maybe it hasn't dawned on some people yet, but crew in L/H are well and truly in the sights of the QF gun. The FAAA is trying to convince the most senior level in QF that L/H crew and their job security should be protected. How ridiculous and how undermined would that endeavour by the FAAA have beeen, if crew had rejected the JFK dispensation. Dixon would have had his view of L/H confirmed and the Company would have been pushed even more to the prevailing view in senior QF circles , that L/H needs to be closed down and substituted by their "other options".
There are many things occurring in the background at the moment, some of which can be discussed publicly and some which can't. Also, we are not privvy to Company planning that is also occurring.
The FAAA has delivered on it's promises to crew and the current FAAA people do not lie to crew. In this dangerous environment that we are in...L/H crew should trust that their best interests are being served, both in what is happenning publicly and what is occurring behind the scenes.
Suggestions, by people like lowerlobe if actually listened to and acted upon would result in disaster., and that is why suggestions by people with no idea will and have to be totally ignored.
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The response to my newsletter parody was to be suspected but it re-inforces the nature of a number of crew’s suspicions of the despotic leadership in the current faaa.
Firstly you are a coward if you use this forum with a nick name and display your ideas and thoughts regarding the direction of the faaa. However you are not a coward if you are one of the leaders of the faaa and use this forum anonymously and vent your displeasure at being criticized.
Secondly, the arrogant and dictatorial nature of the faaa is evident when in the words of Guardian they tell us that there was never any need to hold an election regarding an important issue facing crew.
The faaa still do not understand the concept that they were elected to represent the crew, gather policies and alternatives and inform us of important issues and create opportunities for us to decide on a course of action. Instead they believe that they have the right to dictate to us policy and direction and throw abuse and ridicule at any one who has the temerity to question that belief. You would think you are looking at the regime in North Korea rather than a body elected to represent members in a democracy.
Guardian asks the question “Why would the faaa rig a vote when it did not have to have the vote in the first part”
Again, it shows the arrogance that the faaa believes that we do not have the right to decide our own future and his only defence is that the faaa has only had 2 votes previously. Does that tell you why crew are not happy with faaa style of leadership?
Secondly, if the vote had been contrary to the result asked for by the faaa it would have eroded their power and that is something that they obviously do not want.
The reason why I and others have never publicly stated that we think there is something fishy with the vote result is that we can not prove anything at all. If the vote had been carried out by the AEC, all the ballots would have been numbered and counted both before distribution and after being received for counting.
As it stands all evidence has been destroyed and it would be impossible to verify any irregularity because we do not know how many ballots were printed or sent out so the faaa does not have to explain any discrepancy….very convenient.
If the vote had been carried out by the AEC then none of this would have been suggested.
As Hawkeye and others have said a large number of crew are questioning the vote result and it maybe that a number of crew do not tell the truth of how they voted but I cannot think why.However if the result was as the faaa told us then you would imagine that there would be an overwhelming number of crew saying that they had voted for the dispensation.Sadly that is not the case and there is no way we can ever check that result now because of the faaa's methods and that very fact breeds doubt instead of faith and trust.
Firstly you are a coward if you use this forum with a nick name and display your ideas and thoughts regarding the direction of the faaa. However you are not a coward if you are one of the leaders of the faaa and use this forum anonymously and vent your displeasure at being criticized.
Secondly, the arrogant and dictatorial nature of the faaa is evident when in the words of Guardian they tell us that there was never any need to hold an election regarding an important issue facing crew.
The faaa still do not understand the concept that they were elected to represent the crew, gather policies and alternatives and inform us of important issues and create opportunities for us to decide on a course of action. Instead they believe that they have the right to dictate to us policy and direction and throw abuse and ridicule at any one who has the temerity to question that belief. You would think you are looking at the regime in North Korea rather than a body elected to represent members in a democracy.
Guardian asks the question “Why would the faaa rig a vote when it did not have to have the vote in the first part”
Again, it shows the arrogance that the faaa believes that we do not have the right to decide our own future and his only defence is that the faaa has only had 2 votes previously. Does that tell you why crew are not happy with faaa style of leadership?
Secondly, if the vote had been contrary to the result asked for by the faaa it would have eroded their power and that is something that they obviously do not want.
The reason why I and others have never publicly stated that we think there is something fishy with the vote result is that we can not prove anything at all. If the vote had been carried out by the AEC, all the ballots would have been numbered and counted both before distribution and after being received for counting.
As it stands all evidence has been destroyed and it would be impossible to verify any irregularity because we do not know how many ballots were printed or sent out so the faaa does not have to explain any discrepancy….very convenient.
If the vote had been carried out by the AEC then none of this would have been suggested.
As Hawkeye and others have said a large number of crew are questioning the vote result and it maybe that a number of crew do not tell the truth of how they voted but I cannot think why.However if the result was as the faaa told us then you would imagine that there would be an overwhelming number of crew saying that they had voted for the dispensation.Sadly that is not the case and there is no way we can ever check that result now because of the faaa's methods and that very fact breeds doubt instead of faith and trust.
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Well said Lowerlobe & Hawke eye, my sentiments exactly. I never thought our own association would give up a slip port in such a manner and particularly such a popular one. Even the Federal Aviation Administration of America will not allow their cabin crew to exceed 14 hours making a LAX/JFK/LAX trip unacceptable. Yet our own union officials endorsed it. And what has a successful yes vote achieved?? …..ummm …. …..errr….ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!! And as for any suggestion that removing the JFK slip is a company cost cutting exercise, well as the Americans would say “Give me a break!!”
And so the faaa has taken ownership of its own office now in Mascot. Unfortunately in a year or so it will be an empty office covered in dust & cobwebs. A monument to our own folly ………our folly of not making a stand whilst our greedy executives stuff their own pockets with as much as they can. This year’s annual report will once again make for interesting reading. Particularly the reported amount paid to the 4 percent who make up 40 percent of the QF groups costs.
Lowerlobe your newsletters are hilarious. Keep the faith brother, keep the faith.
And so the faaa has taken ownership of its own office now in Mascot. Unfortunately in a year or so it will be an empty office covered in dust & cobwebs. A monument to our own folly ………our folly of not making a stand whilst our greedy executives stuff their own pockets with as much as they can. This year’s annual report will once again make for interesting reading. Particularly the reported amount paid to the 4 percent who make up 40 percent of the QF groups costs.
Lowerlobe your newsletters are hilarious. Keep the faith brother, keep the faith.
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As i have said in here on mant occassions, if there is to be a "stand" of some kind i am not sure i have heard anyone in here articulate how i would be effected
I would imagine that the FAAA officials have discussed every permutation and commutation of industrial and legal strategies. The fact that they dont share that with Flight Attendants in general is obvious to me. Given that at every meeting of members there are members taking notes and reporting back to management is it any wonder that things are done internally within the FAAA and without reference to those in our own ranks who for whatever obscure reason seek to undermine us all.
Despite what some may think in here, not everyone that supports the work of the FAAA officials is some flunky or elected official. Some of us are perhaps close to the sources but not necessarily included in the discussions but know enough to understand the complexity of the issues.
I dare say that there are some highly intelligent people in here that have capacity to debate and share there views with the FAAA executive. The Fact that they choose to debate here rather than by contacting the FAAA and spending time discussing there ideas with them is a shame.
To suggest that they wont be listened to is rediculous. However I dont necessarily believe that their views will always be agreed with.
I am of the opinion that the FAAA should call Union Meetings where people can discuss their views openly.
But i do believe that the FAAA have been elected to make decisions on our behalf for the term of office and we should let them do what they promised to do. So far they have done a good job.
If anyone thinks that their strategy is wrong then they should write to them outlining an alternate. So far according to my sources they are only getting questions from members but not critisism
I would imagine that the FAAA officials have discussed every permutation and commutation of industrial and legal strategies. The fact that they dont share that with Flight Attendants in general is obvious to me. Given that at every meeting of members there are members taking notes and reporting back to management is it any wonder that things are done internally within the FAAA and without reference to those in our own ranks who for whatever obscure reason seek to undermine us all.
Despite what some may think in here, not everyone that supports the work of the FAAA officials is some flunky or elected official. Some of us are perhaps close to the sources but not necessarily included in the discussions but know enough to understand the complexity of the issues.
I dare say that there are some highly intelligent people in here that have capacity to debate and share there views with the FAAA executive. The Fact that they choose to debate here rather than by contacting the FAAA and spending time discussing there ideas with them is a shame.
To suggest that they wont be listened to is rediculous. However I dont necessarily believe that their views will always be agreed with.
I am of the opinion that the FAAA should call Union Meetings where people can discuss their views openly.
But i do believe that the FAAA have been elected to make decisions on our behalf for the term of office and we should let them do what they promised to do. So far they have done a good job.
If anyone thinks that their strategy is wrong then they should write to them outlining an alternate. So far according to my sources they are only getting questions from members but not critisism
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lowerlobe rants yet again
lowerlobe you really are demented mate.
You are also way out of touch as are your friends like schlonghaul and Qcc2.
Not sure who you fly with, perhaps the small greedy extremely senior element, but most crew did vote for the JFK dispensation in a big way. Either you are a non union member just stirring up crap or you are so twisted that a crew member would agree with you just to shut you up, or its probably a combination of both.
Pegasus was exactly right. We elected the FAAA guys to make decisions based on detailed information and knowledge and upon legal and industrial advice that they get.
We certainly didn't elect them to have continual ballots on complicated issues where crew would be voting on matters too complex to understand and make a right decision.
Imagine if your views prevailed lowerlobe..... we would all be without a job.
Your statements that crew are unhappy with the current people in the FAAA is just crap..... on what basis do you make these bizarre statements??
Most people regard the current FAAA favourably and the fact that they won in a landslide indicates that. Also, our EBA got up by 88% and the short haul EBA got up by 53%....... and lowerlobe says people are unhappy with our FAAA reps.
If you are so dis satisfied lowerlobe ..exercise your "rights" and resign. I'm sure you won't be missed. You are typical of the stereotypic whinger, always carping but never having any alternative.
Guardy, if you are an FAAA rep...good on ya! You guys have the support of most crew.
You are also way out of touch as are your friends like schlonghaul and Qcc2.
Not sure who you fly with, perhaps the small greedy extremely senior element, but most crew did vote for the JFK dispensation in a big way. Either you are a non union member just stirring up crap or you are so twisted that a crew member would agree with you just to shut you up, or its probably a combination of both.
Pegasus was exactly right. We elected the FAAA guys to make decisions based on detailed information and knowledge and upon legal and industrial advice that they get.
We certainly didn't elect them to have continual ballots on complicated issues where crew would be voting on matters too complex to understand and make a right decision.
Imagine if your views prevailed lowerlobe..... we would all be without a job.
Your statements that crew are unhappy with the current people in the FAAA is just crap..... on what basis do you make these bizarre statements??
Most people regard the current FAAA favourably and the fact that they won in a landslide indicates that. Also, our EBA got up by 88% and the short haul EBA got up by 53%....... and lowerlobe says people are unhappy with our FAAA reps.
If you are so dis satisfied lowerlobe ..exercise your "rights" and resign. I'm sure you won't be missed. You are typical of the stereotypic whinger, always carping but never having any alternative.
Guardy, if you are an FAAA rep...good on ya! You guys have the support of most crew.
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direct debit to the disengaged
Whoa! a lot of back slapping and self conratulation at the faaa office compuer this morn as we get the schitzo routine!
"I've logged off - your turn Steve! Someone fire up the cappo machine!"
As one of the many disengaged -I too am just waiting for the package - and when it comes - I would like the FAAA to direct debit my account with $10,000 being the proceeds of the SALE OF THE UNION OFFICE.
I, like many thousands of other members -did not sign off on this million dollar purchase! How dare you spend $880,000 on an office which as somebody just said - will be a ghost town in a year!
Guardia admits that the cmpany are closing down L/H .
Welcome to the real world boys - we've all got mortgages to pay - why hasn't the faaa???
Again Guardi admits we are " a small union" -- but we can find a cool million to be mortgage free.
I want my money back - I've paid in for 25 years - not for you blokes to sit around -not flying for the next ten years - rent free - hubris & arrogance-
yet you have promised to put up our union fees if we get a future pay rise -
seriously - sell up and give the money back to the membership - or better still - BUY SOME SERIOUS LEGAL ADVICE TO TAKE THIS COMPANY ON.
YOU CAN RUN THE FAAA OPERATION OUT OF MM'S GARAGE.
It appears most time is spent on pprune anyway.
I'm starting the DDD campaign - Direct Debit the Disengaged
I'll put the $10,000 ++++ I've given you in good faith -ON MY MORTGAGE! Thanks very much!
"I've logged off - your turn Steve! Someone fire up the cappo machine!"
As one of the many disengaged -I too am just waiting for the package - and when it comes - I would like the FAAA to direct debit my account with $10,000 being the proceeds of the SALE OF THE UNION OFFICE.
I, like many thousands of other members -did not sign off on this million dollar purchase! How dare you spend $880,000 on an office which as somebody just said - will be a ghost town in a year!
Guardia admits that the cmpany are closing down L/H .
Welcome to the real world boys - we've all got mortgages to pay - why hasn't the faaa???
Again Guardi admits we are " a small union" -- but we can find a cool million to be mortgage free.
I want my money back - I've paid in for 25 years - not for you blokes to sit around -not flying for the next ten years - rent free - hubris & arrogance-
yet you have promised to put up our union fees if we get a future pay rise -
seriously - sell up and give the money back to the membership - or better still - BUY SOME SERIOUS LEGAL ADVICE TO TAKE THIS COMPANY ON.
YOU CAN RUN THE FAAA OPERATION OUT OF MM'S GARAGE.
It appears most time is spent on pprune anyway.
I'm starting the DDD campaign - Direct Debit the Disengaged
I'll put the $10,000 ++++ I've given you in good faith -ON MY MORTGAGE! Thanks very much!