Will AO crew become JQ Int. or QF Mainline Crew
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NAIVETY
The naivety displayed here is breathtaking. The people at the top of any organisation are invariably looking after themselves, especially when change and uncertainty is the order of the day. Despite the sweet smiles and sugary words, your leader is no different. If any of you at AO believe that your "leaders" really have your interests ahead of theirs, please think again - their scrambling and jockeying for seats at the top table, possibly at your expense, would be a sight to see.
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it does leave them with a headache
what are they going to do with AO staff cabin crew can be offered other crew jobs with jetconnect, qf mainline , jetstar international or redundancies. but the sticking point is seconded pilots from qf. will the junior captains/fo's have a job to go to in qf or are they offered leave without pay, redundancy or return to qf mainline back as f/o and s/o. having said that jet* int. has its little problesm too. the A330-200 is not certified to fly to hnl or any other longhaul over water operations. it takes months to get the approvals. the only way i can see it done if qf (under the qf AOC) pilots will operate teh flights. given that aipa is not excactly happy with that idea, lets see what is happening. a mate of mine rang me lst night he tells me that the first of the
A380 is now scheduled to arrive in september 07.something to do with rewireing all airbus and boeing aircraft. and the delays keep coming
A380 is now scheduled to arrive in september 07.something to do with rewireing all airbus and boeing aircraft. and the delays keep coming
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not all is lost
came accross this little paragraph in todays qf media release
"This will mean considerable growth for both brands, especially Jetstar internationally in the next three years, Qantas in new international markets, and the movement of Australian Airlines into the Qantas Airlines structure".
it sounds like not all is lost for the AO guys. but what does it mean for mainline QF staff?
"This will mean considerable growth for both brands, especially Jetstar internationally in the next three years, Qantas in new international markets, and the movement of Australian Airlines into the Qantas Airlines structure".
it sounds like not all is lost for the AO guys. but what does it mean for mainline QF staff?
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I'll have a guess as to what might happen...
4 A330-200s from QF go to JQ Intl. The 767s at AO return to the QF mainline fleet. So overall, no loss of capacity at QF.
DPS flights go to JQ, Japan flights back to QF.
Since the overall capacity at QF mainline remains pretty much unchanged - it doesn't leave much of an opening for the several hundred AO crew! However, JQ Intl will need about that many crew initially so i'm betting thats pretty much where you guys are going to end up...
Just my 2 cents (+ 3% backdated) worth.
4 A330-200s from QF go to JQ Intl. The 767s at AO return to the QF mainline fleet. So overall, no loss of capacity at QF.
DPS flights go to JQ, Japan flights back to QF.
Since the overall capacity at QF mainline remains pretty much unchanged - it doesn't leave much of an opening for the several hundred AO crew! However, JQ Intl will need about that many crew initially so i'm betting thats pretty much where you guys are going to end up...
Just my 2 cents (+ 3% backdated) worth.
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TEXT BOOK STUFF!
Seems to me that the Goons running this Airline have gone to the Bookshelf again and followed the manual-
HOW TO STUFF SOMETHING THAT IS HUNKY DORY by Rodney Adler.
It was last used in the Perth Base. By all accounts,a fantastic place to be. Motivated crew, nil sick leave, nil injuries, the highest customer satisfaction ratings AND to quote Kylie -"a role model base".
Then -WACK!!!!.
Its costing too much-Short haul are cheaper....... "you can all go and jam it up your ningaloo's" ( This was done over 12 agonising months for all concerned, so week by week-sick leave went up, pax were complaining, morale plummeted and the Base was STUFFED)
The Perth Base -Long Haul has 3 days to run. The PEOPLE who worked and gave it there all are displaced all over Australia OR capitulated to the greed of Qantas execs and succumbed to short haul to pay the bills.
So now it seems that the manual is being dusted off for AO.
Good Luck guys..................you'll need it.
Shame on you Qantas Management.
The future will paint this period of greed and fear as a very dark period in the once proud history of a ICON.
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HOW TO STUFF SOMETHING THAT IS HUNKY DORY by Rodney Adler.
It was last used in the Perth Base. By all accounts,a fantastic place to be. Motivated crew, nil sick leave, nil injuries, the highest customer satisfaction ratings AND to quote Kylie -"a role model base".
Then -WACK!!!!.
Its costing too much-Short haul are cheaper....... "you can all go and jam it up your ningaloo's" ( This was done over 12 agonising months for all concerned, so week by week-sick leave went up, pax were complaining, morale plummeted and the Base was STUFFED)
The Perth Base -Long Haul has 3 days to run. The PEOPLE who worked and gave it there all are displaced all over Australia OR capitulated to the greed of Qantas execs and succumbed to short haul to pay the bills.
So now it seems that the manual is being dusted off for AO.
Good Luck guys..................you'll need it.
Shame on you Qantas Management.
The future will paint this period of greed and fear as a very dark period in the once proud history of a ICON.
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Sonique,
I hear where you're coming from. We have all worked hard the last 4 years to make this work. However you need to read between the lines, and how much truth is in it. AO to be axed I believe is a little over the top. Though AO is to fall into the QF mainline grouping, the brand might not go away. My understanding is, that AO will now be under the control of John Borgetti, therefore it will lose its independant tag. The CNS operation will stay and more than likely be expanded into more flying. What will happen to our Sydney operation is unclear at this stage.
What us crew, QF and AO should be fearing is the IR Laws which will probably come into effect late 06. The industry will no doubt change forever.
5 years ago QF crew feared AO would take over the world. Has it? No, now Jetstar is the new airline. What will happen to JQ if the media start over doing it on the bird flew thing again, if SARS comes back,the USA decides to become the worlds police and take over another helpless county (jo public stops travelling). AO has gone through all that in its short life.
Let's just see what happens! Safe flying all.
mid assist.
I hear where you're coming from. We have all worked hard the last 4 years to make this work. However you need to read between the lines, and how much truth is in it. AO to be axed I believe is a little over the top. Though AO is to fall into the QF mainline grouping, the brand might not go away. My understanding is, that AO will now be under the control of John Borgetti, therefore it will lose its independant tag. The CNS operation will stay and more than likely be expanded into more flying. What will happen to our Sydney operation is unclear at this stage.
What us crew, QF and AO should be fearing is the IR Laws which will probably come into effect late 06. The industry will no doubt change forever.
5 years ago QF crew feared AO would take over the world. Has it? No, now Jetstar is the new airline. What will happen to JQ if the media start over doing it on the bird flew thing again, if SARS comes back,the USA decides to become the worlds police and take over another helpless county (jo public stops travelling). AO has gone through all that in its short life.
Let's just see what happens! Safe flying all.
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QF Shorthaul?
Understanding the Japanese market and their want for everything paid for upfront, I don't believe J*I would serve their purpose. What about the possibility of a Cairns QF SH base, doing regional flying, as currently exists, with an agreement in place that the cabin crew can not transfer out.
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I was interested to hear if anyone from the AO recruitment drive in Jan.06 received a successful letter in the past week or so. I know 4 people who all received No thankyou's and they don't know anybody that actually got a YES! Interested to see if AO have now put all recruitment on hold pending the Qantas re-structure. Furthermore one of the candidates had recently been told at a Jetstar interview that domestic jetstar would not be J* international crew. So where are the J* I'nal crew all coming from? Just curious for responses. I'm an AO supporter, I hope it remains.
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Rumours doing the rounds at JQ are that AO crew will be JQ Intl.
JQ Domestic crew may transfer over to Intl - but not the other way around.
That's according to Alan Joyce's rear galley roadshow
Then again, it is only February...lots can happen before September, when the first A330 transfers across.
JQ Domestic crew may transfer over to Intl - but not the other way around.
That's according to Alan Joyce's rear galley roadshow
Then again, it is only February...lots can happen before September, when the first A330 transfers across.
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If JQ want the AO crew to launch their international operations then they better start slotting the 300+ CNS based crew in for 330 training and endorsements. Dixon has said that JQ intl will not operate with 767's.
If JQ don't want the AO crew then they should have started hunting for language speaking crew along time ago. Language speakers are hard to find - hence why QF and AO are always recruiting for language speakers.
Why are people saying that AO will dissappear before the JQ INTL launch date ? Could it be that JQ INTL will start op's in SEP as stated and AO will still be running independently for the time being ? 4 x A330-200's can not cover the AO network. AO will still exist for the time being. I believe JQ INTL will start with its own launch crew.
MRSB2 - How is transferring from dom to intl ok and not the reverse ! Get on to it ! Maybe a chance to fly together ?
My wish is for AO to become a QF regional base - s/h and l/h flying. That is 300 less f/a's they have to worry about to crew the A380's.
If JQ don't want the AO crew then they should have started hunting for language speaking crew along time ago. Language speakers are hard to find - hence why QF and AO are always recruiting for language speakers.
Why are people saying that AO will dissappear before the JQ INTL launch date ? Could it be that JQ INTL will start op's in SEP as stated and AO will still be running independently for the time being ? 4 x A330-200's can not cover the AO network. AO will still exist for the time being. I believe JQ INTL will start with its own launch crew.
MRSB2 - How is transferring from dom to intl ok and not the reverse ! Get on to it ! Maybe a chance to fly together ?
My wish is for AO to become a QF regional base - s/h and l/h flying. That is 300 less f/a's they have to worry about to crew the A380's.
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You're on the money there QF Skywalker - sort of.
You're right about AO continuing their flying...I (personally) believe that what will happen is that JQ will have their own launch crew, followed by steady integration of AO into JQ.
As far as language speakers go, I've got two words for you - offshore bases. There will be no shortage of language speakers in any of the cities served by JQ Intl because there will be no cap on the recruitment of any offshore based crew. AJ has stated that there has to be Australian based crew involved for logistic purposes...how many is another question.
Re: Dom to Intl, and NOT back again...the transfer (if it goes ahead) from JQ Dom to Intl will be one way only. They don't want people transferring willy nilly from one division to the other. It means more administrative costs for the company to deal with. If it requires effort to make people happy - forget it. Too hard basket.
Obviously, if one was desperate, you could circumvent this by applying to one whilst working for the other. This, of course, is fraught with the usual reduction in years of service, etc.
You never know Skywalker...I might be seeing you in the galley real soon!?!
You're right about AO continuing their flying...I (personally) believe that what will happen is that JQ will have their own launch crew, followed by steady integration of AO into JQ.
As far as language speakers go, I've got two words for you - offshore bases. There will be no shortage of language speakers in any of the cities served by JQ Intl because there will be no cap on the recruitment of any offshore based crew. AJ has stated that there has to be Australian based crew involved for logistic purposes...how many is another question.
Re: Dom to Intl, and NOT back again...the transfer (if it goes ahead) from JQ Dom to Intl will be one way only. They don't want people transferring willy nilly from one division to the other. It means more administrative costs for the company to deal with. If it requires effort to make people happy - forget it. Too hard basket.
Obviously, if one was desperate, you could circumvent this by applying to one whilst working for the other. This, of course, is fraught with the usual reduction in years of service, etc.
You never know Skywalker...I might be seeing you in the galley real soon!?!
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Qantas Group Executive Changes
Qantas Group Executive Changes Latest News
Sydney, 16 February 2006
The Qantas Group today announced a new executive structure to lead the company through the next stage of its business transformation program.
The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said the changes, effective 20 February, centred on a significantly smaller top team with broader responsibilities, in keeping with the efficiency drive throughout the Group.
"The Qantas Group has an excellent portfolio of businesses, with strong positions in our major markets.
"However, each of our businesses operates in an environment of increasing competition.
"Under the new structure, the management of each of the businesses will have the freedom to pursue independent business development initiatives, with accountability for the results.
"At the same time, collaboration between the segments will be a key focus, reflecting the importance of the links between the various businesses in driving value for the Group.
"We are fortunate to have an executive leadership team of the calibre and commitment that we do," he said.
Mr Dixon said seven Executive General Managers would report to him:
* John Borghetti, Executive General Manager Qantas Airlines
* Kevin Brown, Executive General Manager People
* David Cox, Executive General Manager Engineering
* Grant Fenn, Executive General Manager Associated Businesses
* Peter Gregg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive General Manager Strategy
* Alan Joyce, Chief Executive Officer Jetstar
* Rob Kella, Chief Risk Officer
He said the structure had been organised around three key groupings - flying businesses, non-flying businesses, and corporate support.
Flying Businesses
* The flying businesses will be grouped under two major brands - Qantas and Jetstar. John Borghetti will lead the full service airlines, including Qantas (domestic and international), QantasLink and Australian Airlines, and Alan Joyce will be responsible for Jetstar operations including the Australian business, the new international airline and Jetstar Asia.
The senior management of both flying businesses will work closely to ensure the profitable growth of the Group's flying portfolio to achieve the best result for the company.
Non-flying Businesses
* Current Executive General Manager Airports and Catering, Grant Fenn, will become Executive General Manager Associated Businesses, taking on responsibility for Freight and Qantas Holidays in addition to Airports and Catering, with the focus on growing and diversifying the Qantas Group's earnings stream as well as driving efficiencies in each business.
* David Cox will continue to lead Qantas Engineering, and will be responsible for the Engineering transformation program as well as taking on responsibility for Qantas Defence Services.
Corporate Support
* Chief Financial Officer and Executive General Manager Strategy Peter Gregg will oversee:
- Finance, led by Deputy Chief Financial Officer Colin Storrie, including financial policy, Treasury, Tax and the Sustainable Future Program;
- a new Qantas Shared Services (QSS) area, led by the current Head of the Sustainable Future Program Curtis Davies, which will be responsible for Property, Procurement and the Financial Services areas of Revenue Accounting, Accounting Control, Accounts Payable, Credit Management and Group Payroll;
- a separated Information Technology division, IT Services, to be headed by current Head of IT Business Services, John Willett, who replaces Fiona Balfour as Chief Information Officer; and
- a streamlined Corporate Centre including Strategy, Economics, Investor Relations, Qantas Consulting and Strategic Procurement divisions, which will provide business segments with advice and support on policy, strategy and stakeholder relations.
* Kevin Brown, as Executive General Manager People, continues to have responsibility for people strategy including industrial relations, remuneration, workforce management initiatives and the implementation of key employee programs aimed at creating a competitive and motivated workforce.
* Current Head of Internal Audit, Rob Kella, will become Chief Risk Officer. A new Risk and Assurance Office, which will include Risk, Safety, Security, Occupational Health and Safety, Environment, Aviation Health Services and Internal Audit, will provide an integrated approach to risk management across the Group.
* The Communication, Public Company and Legal, and Government and International Relations areas continue to serve the Office of the Chief Executive Officer.
Mr Dixon said that every part of the business had aggressive targets for profit, return on assets, cost and growth as applicable.
"Qantas has undergone extensive change in recent years, including the reorganisation into segments in 2003 to give a clearer picture of the true financial performance and cost structure of each part of the company.
"This restructuring has increased accountability and yielded significant benefits, including $1.27 billion of cost and efficiency improvements to date, which have enabled us to invest and grow.
"These achievements have allowed Qantas to stand out as one of the few airline success stories, despite the significant challenges presented by higher fuel prices and aggressive competition.
"These latest organisational changes will now give us the best structure under which to meet the many challenges that lie ahead," Mr Dixon said.
Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (Q3392)
Email: [email protected]
Sydney, 16 February 2006
The Qantas Group today announced a new executive structure to lead the company through the next stage of its business transformation program.
The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said the changes, effective 20 February, centred on a significantly smaller top team with broader responsibilities, in keeping with the efficiency drive throughout the Group.
"The Qantas Group has an excellent portfolio of businesses, with strong positions in our major markets.
"However, each of our businesses operates in an environment of increasing competition.
"Under the new structure, the management of each of the businesses will have the freedom to pursue independent business development initiatives, with accountability for the results.
"At the same time, collaboration between the segments will be a key focus, reflecting the importance of the links between the various businesses in driving value for the Group.
"We are fortunate to have an executive leadership team of the calibre and commitment that we do," he said.
Mr Dixon said seven Executive General Managers would report to him:
* John Borghetti, Executive General Manager Qantas Airlines
* Kevin Brown, Executive General Manager People
* David Cox, Executive General Manager Engineering
* Grant Fenn, Executive General Manager Associated Businesses
* Peter Gregg, Chief Financial Officer and Executive General Manager Strategy
* Alan Joyce, Chief Executive Officer Jetstar
* Rob Kella, Chief Risk Officer
He said the structure had been organised around three key groupings - flying businesses, non-flying businesses, and corporate support.
Flying Businesses
* The flying businesses will be grouped under two major brands - Qantas and Jetstar. John Borghetti will lead the full service airlines, including Qantas (domestic and international), QantasLink and Australian Airlines, and Alan Joyce will be responsible for Jetstar operations including the Australian business, the new international airline and Jetstar Asia.
The senior management of both flying businesses will work closely to ensure the profitable growth of the Group's flying portfolio to achieve the best result for the company.
Non-flying Businesses
* Current Executive General Manager Airports and Catering, Grant Fenn, will become Executive General Manager Associated Businesses, taking on responsibility for Freight and Qantas Holidays in addition to Airports and Catering, with the focus on growing and diversifying the Qantas Group's earnings stream as well as driving efficiencies in each business.
* David Cox will continue to lead Qantas Engineering, and will be responsible for the Engineering transformation program as well as taking on responsibility for Qantas Defence Services.
Corporate Support
* Chief Financial Officer and Executive General Manager Strategy Peter Gregg will oversee:
- Finance, led by Deputy Chief Financial Officer Colin Storrie, including financial policy, Treasury, Tax and the Sustainable Future Program;
- a new Qantas Shared Services (QSS) area, led by the current Head of the Sustainable Future Program Curtis Davies, which will be responsible for Property, Procurement and the Financial Services areas of Revenue Accounting, Accounting Control, Accounts Payable, Credit Management and Group Payroll;
- a separated Information Technology division, IT Services, to be headed by current Head of IT Business Services, John Willett, who replaces Fiona Balfour as Chief Information Officer; and
- a streamlined Corporate Centre including Strategy, Economics, Investor Relations, Qantas Consulting and Strategic Procurement divisions, which will provide business segments with advice and support on policy, strategy and stakeholder relations.
* Kevin Brown, as Executive General Manager People, continues to have responsibility for people strategy including industrial relations, remuneration, workforce management initiatives and the implementation of key employee programs aimed at creating a competitive and motivated workforce.
* Current Head of Internal Audit, Rob Kella, will become Chief Risk Officer. A new Risk and Assurance Office, which will include Risk, Safety, Security, Occupational Health and Safety, Environment, Aviation Health Services and Internal Audit, will provide an integrated approach to risk management across the Group.
* The Communication, Public Company and Legal, and Government and International Relations areas continue to serve the Office of the Chief Executive Officer.
Mr Dixon said that every part of the business had aggressive targets for profit, return on assets, cost and growth as applicable.
"Qantas has undergone extensive change in recent years, including the reorganisation into segments in 2003 to give a clearer picture of the true financial performance and cost structure of each part of the company.
"This restructuring has increased accountability and yielded significant benefits, including $1.27 billion of cost and efficiency improvements to date, which have enabled us to invest and grow.
"These achievements have allowed Qantas to stand out as one of the few airline success stories, despite the significant challenges presented by higher fuel prices and aggressive competition.
"These latest organisational changes will now give us the best structure under which to meet the many challenges that lie ahead," Mr Dixon said.
Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (Q3392)
Email: [email protected]
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Changing times ?
Without the announcment that AO is now coming under the Qantas Airlines Management side of the QF Group the crew received a Qantas/Comm games Pin which they are now allowed to wear on uniform jackets. Has JQ received the same (I am sure they have) ?
AO management would previously have choked on the idea of AO crew wearing a Qantas pin on crew jackets !
Shed some light someone !
Without the announcment that AO is now coming under the Qantas Airlines Management side of the QF Group the crew received a Qantas/Comm games Pin which they are now allowed to wear on uniform jackets. Has JQ received the same (I am sure they have) ?
AO management would previously have choked on the idea of AO crew wearing a Qantas pin on crew jackets !
Shed some light someone !
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JQ crew received the pins yesterday. Funny thing that...
"No...you're JETSTAR crew" is wheeled out ad nauseam.
Yet, all of sudden, that changes when it suits.
"No...you're JETSTAR crew" is wheeled out ad nauseam.
Yet, all of sudden, that changes when it suits.
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It wouldn't surprise me if somewhere down the track AO does become one with QF, BUT it will be the QF crew who drop down to the AO pay and conditions. My understanding (and I hope I'm wrong) is that under the new Workplace BS, if a company is merging two different sections into one, then they are able to apply the conditions and pay of either section to everyone - ie: the lowest/worst... Anyone else know anything about this?
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Flugbegleiter,
Yes, you are on to something there. I believe not much will change at AO until the IR changes become law. When it does, you'll probably see the AO brand go (sadly) and the a/c to be painted in QF colours once again. AO crew will become qantas working on AO award (which will be legal).
Your point about QF longhaul moving onto AO award is interesting, as AO crew operate very differently to QF L/H. AO crew dont have a seniorty system and no bidding system, allowances payed in our pay, unlimited overseas bases,etc. I think if it was to happen, it would be hard for QF crew to take all at once, though Qantas will probably change more than that when they know what to do with the IR changes.
Yes, you are on to something there. I believe not much will change at AO until the IR changes become law. When it does, you'll probably see the AO brand go (sadly) and the a/c to be painted in QF colours once again. AO crew will become qantas working on AO award (which will be legal).
Your point about QF longhaul moving onto AO award is interesting, as AO crew operate very differently to QF L/H. AO crew dont have a seniorty system and no bidding system, allowances payed in our pay, unlimited overseas bases,etc. I think if it was to happen, it would be hard for QF crew to take all at once, though Qantas will probably change more than that when they know what to do with the IR changes.