MAM Conditions

[Prince Planet]

So mamslave, are you saying Contract B casuals shouldn't hold their breath for much work in future, and Contract A casuals are totally screwed? Contract C casuals are going to be doing most of the casual work are they? With no seniority system amongst the casuals and three different contract types to deal with, it's inevitable that allocating duties is gonna be a total debacle. Surely there must be a fairer system! I hope the FAAA is looking into this. Does anyone know?

[cokecropduster]

Hey All,

I'm not sure whether it is time to start getting worried but the people that have just been employed on Contract C are Language Speakers and I dare say that they are going to be doing the language trips that (as of July) require a specific amount Language Speakers.

The work this month is REALLY low because the CARMEN system didn't (or probably wasn't programmed to) take into consideration the MAM people...

As for an excess of crew in Short Haul... I think next month (JUNE) is going to be slow too because of the end of the financial year. The new casuals employed are supposed to be covering the work left behind from the Full-timers going into Part-time work (to NEVER return...they won't be able to get back into Full-time).

Hope this helps...

[west4u]

MAM Hours

I have been a casual for almost 2 years now and have had min of 130 hours a month (max 170) ever since and the money is great, I know some casuals dont get the same hours (dont know why) but I make myself available most of the month, its the best job and I love it.....

[andie74]

West4u youre somewhat lucky if you've been able to get 130hrs every month, 170 is unbelievable! i have to say id never want anywhere near 170hrs ever! way to much... but id say you're in the minority. im also casual, and certainly dont get 130 hrs every month. im avail 5 days every week (including weekends) and on a good month (not that often) could possibly get up to 115- but most months maybe around 80-90, which is crap for full time availability (ie 5 days per week is a full time job).

in general i also think its all been a bit of a debacle!

if its not one thing its another- waiting to see what happens with the full time EBA, the dumping of work, the part timers, waiting to see what happens with the new Carmen system, waiting to see what happens when all the new contract C's start & how that will affect the rest of us............. wot a nightmare.

some of us are looking for/getting other jobs, some will leave, others will keep 2nd jobs. Contract C to me is totally untenable- not at all casual, too restrictive, leaves you with no control over your life, is likely to be used to have people working every weekend/pub holiday for no penalty rates, and forces you into a month with no pay once a year. so of no interest to me at all- id rather leave.

eventually im gonna have to say ok im not prepared to sacrifice my financial future while we wait to see 'how things pan out' with Qantas/MAM. and i guess im kinda already there now.

[Sailorgal]

Am hearing lots of reports from current MAM and QF crew that MAM are planning to advise those of us still waiting that we are 'no longer needed' or that they are 'not going any further' with our applications due to the fact that they over-estimated how many new crew they would need. Anyone hear similar reports or have received an email to this effect yet?

In march i was told i would get 'a final decision' in june, so one way or another there has to be some contact from MAM soon!!!!!!!!!

[FirstClassParis]

MAM Recruitment

Hi Sailorgirl,

I totally understand what you are going through !!! However my situation is slightly different..I was called about 4 weeks ago now by MAM telling me that I had been successfull with my application. They offered me training school which started on the 23rd May in Sydney but unfortunately I couldn't accept due to work commitments. They told me that there would be another training school going through in mid June and would I prefer to be put forward for that course, but they did not have an exact start date, I ofcourse said yes and they informed me that they would call me as soon as they had confirmation of a date.

Now I too have been visiting these cabin crew forums and reading the latest rumours about what's happening with MAM, and of course I can't help but be concerned It's very disheartening. I know that they are all rumours though which we really shouldn't believe anything until we receive a phone call from MAM themselves.

I hope to God that I have not missed out on this opportunity But please stay positive, I'm sure we will hear something soon. I mean they have to contact us one way or the other. As far as I know, only two training groups have started, now that's not many people, 50 at the most??? And they have just done a recruitment drive which went over 3 months in 4 states, now that's a lot of time and expense for them...

FINGERS CROSSED

[P's cousin]

Originally Posted by cokecropduster

Hey All,

I'm not sure whether it is time to start getting worried but the people that have just been employed on Contract C are Language Speakers and I dare say that they are going to be doing the language trips that (as of July) require a specific amount Language Speakers.

Hi cokecropduster, could you tell me what exactly are the language trips? Do you mean short haul international? Also I'd much appriciate it if you can tell me what's going to happen in July? Thanks.

[cokecropduster]

P's Cousin,

The Language trips are the Regional (International) trips and in July Qantas has made a policy of having at least one or two Language Speakers on the flights that go to places like China and Japan.

Everyone that has gone for the interviews and had their (great!) references and medical done you are basically considered successful from my knowledge. The call or email will come but at a time that Qantas chooses. Most of the time it is a call totally out of left field. Also, the rejection email is normally alot faster!

Hang in there all!

PS I heard a rumour that Long Haul are getting casuals now. They are going to be based in AKL and there are several groups in training as we speak...

[SkySista]

CCD, would like to believe that

Everyone that has gone for the interviews and had their (great!) references and medical done you are basically considered successful from my knowledge

but over on the other thread someone in that exact boat has just been given the 'thanks, but no thanks'.... do you think this would be down to the refs not being ip to scratch??

I guess as someone else said before, if you're waiting after a medical/ref check, get on with your life - as soon as you do, Q will come calling!!

[P's cousin]

cokecropduster,

Thanks a lot. what you wrote made me feel better considering that I've already done medical etc and I am Japanese. I really hope they'll call me saying I'm successful... I've been waiting for almost 4 months now!

Originally Posted by cokecropduster

P's Cousin,

The Language trips are the Regional (International) trips and in July Qantas has made a policy of having at least one or two Language Speakers on the flights that go to places like China and Japan.

Everyone that has gone for the interviews and had their (great!) references and medical done you are basically considered successful from my knowledge. The call or email will come but at a time that Qantas chooses. Most of the time it is a call totally out of left field. Also, the rejection email is normally alot faster!

Hang in there all!

PS I heard a rumour that Long Haul are getting casuals now. They are going to be based in AKL and there are several groups in training as we speak...

[P's cousin]

High Class Queen,

I think they often do that as far as I know. I was told to have a medical checkup after referee check like you and 4 months later I went to take a language test(as I'm a so-called language speaker) then I met this applicant who were on the same boat but he hadn't done medical or any paperwork yet. So I think it really depends on the person and situation and they don't go through exactly the same procedure on each person. I hope I made sense.

[andie74]

interestingly when MAM recruited a whole lot of us in 2004, we did NOT pay for our own medical- Qantas/MAM paid for it (not sure who, cant remember now). they didnt pay for the hep injections of course, but the medical was defnitely paid for by them. i remember being really surprised and impressed by that.

[cokecropduster]

It is interesting that you have received a NO after you went through the expense of the medical and security check.

I know that the Full-time to Part-time transfers were lower than expected and that will affect the number of groups going through for the moment, but in the long term they are still going to need new people. Once you are on the short-list you are pretty much there on the short-list for 2x6month periods (ie, 6months extended for another 6).

The expense of the medical and security checks have been passed on to the applicants since 2005 from memory. It is another way that the company can save money. It is similar to the way Eastern does it.

Hang in there all! I am sure that you will get a call when you least expect it.

[SkySista]

A friend (who has done medical, refs, security etc) got a call today from MAM asking her if she had done her medical... after being called earlier over the same thing and telling them she'd done it, they said, oh yes ok, no problem... so does this mean they lost it or something?!

Hope they actually got mine, too!!!

[lizzimac]

Help

Hi all,
I have enjoyed reading your posts and wonder if I can get some answers?
I have been for my 1st and 2nd interview last month and have had my referees called. Mam emailed and requested I book my medical which I have done for next week. I was wondering if that means based on the medical being fine if I am in or not? Also if based in sydney does anyone know if you have to park at the longterm and catch the bus across?
I also dont understand that if I am casual is it ongoing or as I have seen some people say is it a one year contract?
Thanks all.

[cokecropduster]

Lizzimac,

This is the big question! In the past, once the medical and references have been done and there is no problem then you are basically IN or put on the Shortlist (You can be on the shortlist for ages and then one day out of the blue get a call).

As for the contract; It is a continuous contract BUT as you will be on Contract C you will be only allowed to work 11 months of the year and take one month off without pay.

Everyone that starts with QF has to park at Long Term and catch the bus across. You will be put on a waitlist for the QF Staff Carpark. (Takes around 18months or so to get in).

Good Luck!

[lizzimac]

MOre questions?

Sorry to be a pest but I am bursting with questions and wondering if you can help answer them?
1. What happens if you are sick and cant work, I know you wont get paid but do they give you another duty and do you always need a certificate?
2. Where in sydney is the training held? What are the hours and is it only weekdays during training?
3. I heard a rumour that you can be phoned at 3am eg and told to be at work by 5-30 for example??
4. I was told the pay is $27 per hour. Do you get penalties on top of that?

Thanks all

[P's cousin]

Originally Posted by SkySista

A friend (who has done medical, refs, security etc) got a call today from MAM asking her if she had done her medical... after being called earlier over the same thing and telling them she'd done it, they said, oh yes ok, no problem... so does this mean they lost it or something?!

Hope they actually got mine, too!!!

I received the exactly same phonecall yesterday. I wondered the same thing but hey, at least it's not a NO.

[cokecropduster]

Lizzimac,

If you are sick then you don't get any pay and they will basically make you available again when you are well. You will normally pick up another trip but it isn't guaranteed of course. It is really important to keep yourself as healthy as possible.
The training is in SYD at the Jet Base and at QCC (H/O).
The training can be over the weekend as well. You might get a few weekends off during the 7 weeks of training. Hours are varied!
The wage is basically 27 plus DTA (duty travel allowance) which brings it up to 30-31 an hour.
You can get a call at 3 in the morning for the first flight of the day, BUT, it is really rare that you will get the phone call that early. You normally know the night before.

[Butterfield8]

Are You Guys Kidding?

Most of you are being treated like rubbish during the recruitment process.
Doesnt this give you a heads up about what it like working for these people?
Believe me you will be depressed before you finish training.
You are seen as fodder....nothing more nothing less.
Sorry to be so blunt but thats the reality of it all