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no probs overhere,
i remember how i felt before i started with MAM- i had so many questions, its a big decision any time you take the chance with a new job. luckily i had an old colleague from Ansett (who i hadnt spoken to for about 4yrs) who was more than happy to answer all my questions & it gave me some peace of mind. So im happy to do the same for others : )
will happily answer any questions
i remember how i felt before i started with MAM- i had so many questions, its a big decision any time you take the chance with a new job. luckily i had an old colleague from Ansett (who i hadnt spoken to for about 4yrs) who was more than happy to answer all my questions & it gave me some peace of mind. So im happy to do the same for others : )
will happily answer any questions
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Hey MAM recruiting again!!! How exciting....wd love to know how the interview process is, what type of questions asked etc....havent been for an interview in a while!!! Been a flt attendant for over 8years n wd love to get back into it. Is the casual flying flexible can u work it around young kids?
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Hey SkySista,
Sounds like a great company to work for!! Wd love the flexibility to work without HAVING to work 20days guaranteed,wd love some info on the company, if possible so i can send them my CV.Thanks
Sounds like a great company to work for!! Wd love the flexibility to work without HAVING to work 20days guaranteed,wd love some info on the company, if possible so i can send them my CV.Thanks
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Andie, thanks SO MUCH for your posts, they have given me lots to work on (also thanks to all who have PMed me with info, you know who you are!! 
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Outback Jack, I'm just as in the dark as you!!
Andie among others has the info!!!
Which city are you interviewing in??? Good luck!
Sky
)Outback Jack, I'm just as in the dark as you!!
Andie among others has the info!!!Which city are you interviewing in??? Good luck!
Sky
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hiiii
well its been awhile since ive been on here, but i got a call from someone at qantas today so i thought id better come check up on everything!
about a year ago i interviewed with Q, frist group then panel and did my medical security and everything, to be told i was on a waitlist for 6 months. which then lapsed and i was told it was extended for another 6 months which i think ends in april? not entirely sure....
anyways so this morning i got a phone call saying that MAM was recruiting and would i like them to fwd my application (which i thought was a little strange because ive answered that question a few times b4!)
so i said yes because casual would suit me fine, and she rambled on to say that as long as i was aware that qantas would NOT be recruiting this financial year, MAM will NOT lead to permanent and i may have to do my medical and sec check again *sigh* at my own expense of course.
she did add that as i have been through the interviews before i wouldnt not need to be interviewed and basically all i needed to do was wait for a phone call from MAM. she also mentioned it would be on a 20 day contract.
the waiting continues...
well its been awhile since ive been on here, but i got a call from someone at qantas today so i thought id better come check up on everything!
about a year ago i interviewed with Q, frist group then panel and did my medical security and everything, to be told i was on a waitlist for 6 months. which then lapsed and i was told it was extended for another 6 months which i think ends in april? not entirely sure....
anyways so this morning i got a phone call saying that MAM was recruiting and would i like them to fwd my application (which i thought was a little strange because ive answered that question a few times b4!)
so i said yes because casual would suit me fine, and she rambled on to say that as long as i was aware that qantas would NOT be recruiting this financial year, MAM will NOT lead to permanent and i may have to do my medical and sec check again *sigh* at my own expense of course.
she did add that as i have been through the interviews before i wouldnt not need to be interviewed and basically all i needed to do was wait for a phone call from MAM. she also mentioned it would be on a 20 day contract.
the waiting continues...
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ah thats interesting Jesski, so they actually said you'd be on contract C, the 20 pre-allocated days.
at least they wont make you go thru the interviews again, thats good news- that would be ridiculous. so fingers crossed for you then!
good luck! : )
at least they wont make you go thru the interviews again, thats good news- that would be ridiculous. so fingers crossed for you then!
good luck! : )
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Jesski!! That's fab that you don't have to interview again... that would be a pain after all you've done!! :/
I guess if they told you that you would be on a 20 day contract, then sso will everyone else who's successful... not exactly what I wanted to hear I suppose, but beggars can't be choosers!! I mean I could work 20 days oer month, fine... I just wish there was *some* say in which days... weekends are fine... I just think it's a tiny bit unfair for the same people to do weekends ALL the time... if you could get, say, one guaranteed weekend off per month, that'd be great!!
But, if you want to fly... you gotta fly when the ywant!! Don't get me wrong, I'm not being picky... just saying what would be good in an ideal world.. tee hee....!
Oops i better start saving... I sort of forgot you have to pay for medicals and whatnot!!
Tell me... if you already possess an ASIC etc... do they have to security screen you again? Seems a bit pointless, as you've done it already...!
I guess if they told you that you would be on a 20 day contract, then sso will everyone else who's successful... not exactly what I wanted to hear I suppose, but beggars can't be choosers!! I mean I could work 20 days oer month, fine... I just wish there was *some* say in which days... weekends are fine... I just think it's a tiny bit unfair for the same people to do weekends ALL the time... if you could get, say, one guaranteed weekend off per month, that'd be great!!
But, if you want to fly... you gotta fly when the ywant!!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not being picky... just saying what would be good in an ideal world.. tee hee....!Oops i better start saving... I sort of forgot you have to pay for medicals and whatnot!!
Tell me... if you already possess an ASIC etc... do they have to security screen you again? Seems a bit pointless, as you've done it already...!
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syksista,
your not being picky at all- so far i havent come across 1 single current MAM casual who would consider changing over to this new contract- so trust me your comments arent unreasonable. we all just feel that we already arent exactly casual, and this new contract is even more controlling & restrictive. but definitely give it a go if you think you can make it work for you, and see what you think once your actually doing it.
your not being picky at all- so far i havent come across 1 single current MAM casual who would consider changing over to this new contract- so trust me your comments arent unreasonable. we all just feel that we already arent exactly casual, and this new contract is even more controlling & restrictive. but definitely give it a go if you think you can make it work for you, and see what you think once your actually doing it.
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yeh well the lady on the phone said that they would have to check if both my medical and security check have lapsed and if they have then ill have to do them again! which kinda sucks cos they aren't cheap... well the medical anyway!
i have just paid for a security check for a USA camp counsellor program too.... how much trouble could i have gotten into in the past 6 months?! haha
soooo fingers crossed... just waiting to hear from MAM!
jess x
i have just paid for a security check for a USA camp counsellor program too.... how much trouble could i have gotten into in the past 6 months?! haha
soooo fingers crossed... just waiting to hear from MAM!
jess x
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Jess, if you don't mind my asking, how much did they charge you for medical/security check etc?? (PM if you want)
Andie, I don't like the idea of the 20 days either, but sadly I think it'll be my only chance of International flying so I may just have to take it and see!!! That is, of course, if I get through....
Andie, I don't like the idea of the 20 days either, but sadly I think it'll be my only chance of International flying so I may just have to take it and see!!! That is, of course, if I get through....
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Hey Andie thanks for all your candid feedback. You paint a realistic picture.
My friends are all happy little mam - vegimites who love everything about casual flying and don't get caught up in the politics - therefore have little info to give on the reason they are recruiting again. (One is still on Contract a and the others are on Contract b - all ex ansetters)
What are your thoughts or anyone elses who may be in the loop, as this seems to be a major recruitment drive?
Xss65
My friends are all happy little mam - vegimites who love everything about casual flying and don't get caught up in the politics - therefore have little info to give on the reason they are recruiting again. (One is still on Contract a and the others are on Contract b - all ex ansetters)
What are your thoughts or anyone elses who may be in the loop, as this seems to be a major recruitment drive?
Xss65
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Soul, I was wondering that myself.
Any possibility they are wanting these new-hires to crew across fleets, e.g. work some QF, some JQ Intl, and so on? I know they're supposed to be separate entities but that's the only reason I can see them need huge numbers of new crew.. if, of course, they're hiring huge numbers...
Anyone in the know got an idea how many will be attending each session? 30? 60? More? Ta!!
Any possibility they are wanting these new-hires to crew across fleets, e.g. work some QF, some JQ Intl, and so on? I know they're supposed to be separate entities but that's the only reason I can see them need huge numbers of new crew.. if, of course, they're hiring huge numbers...
Anyone in the know got an idea how many will be attending each session? 30? 60? More? Ta!!
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Hi
This is all very interesting - bit confused with all the Contracts though
Can someone shed some light on roughly how many hours you would get on a 20 day pre-allocated roster? What's the flying like out of Sydney? Many overnights?
Thanks
This is all very interesting - bit confused with all the Contracts though
Can someone shed some light on roughly how many hours you would get on a 20 day pre-allocated roster? What's the flying like out of Sydney? Many overnights?Thanks
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Not really Casual
It seems like contract C, is what the new recruits will sign up for. Well 5days a week is a lot of work for casual crew.I mean contract B seems great 3days......but 5 is like a full time job. Its not really very flexible or casual.
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Sounds like an awesome set-up to me - the way the roster works, time off and the destinations etc. So I was very pleased to receive an interview invite too. But, unfortunately I can't make it to the interview.
I wish all of you going for the interviews all the very best though
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Knock 'em dead!
GKG xx
I wish all of you going for the interviews all the very best though
.Knock 'em dead!
GKG xx
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KiwiGal, thanks for the well wishes!! I'm going to go along and see what happens. But will still be thinking long and hard on whether I accept if it is offered to me. Not sure about this 20 day thing (as I have said numerous times), plus not sure how this will be seen by all the current crew (e.g., being called scabs or whatever because we want to work AND have a life...)
And.. on a similar line to the last poster... would be interested to have some idea of how many days the current MAMers are doing.. as compared to what they were TOLD they would work when they signed up.... Because if it turns out to be one month of 20 days, the 6 months of 3, well, that won't really work, will it?!
And.. on a similar line to the last poster... would be interested to have some idea of how many days the current MAMers are doing.. as compared to what they were TOLD they would work when they signed up.... Because if it turns out to be one month of 20 days, the 6 months of 3, well, that won't really work, will it?!
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By reading these posts it seems like a very one sided affair,on qf side that is. They are employing you as a casual with no staff benifits, have you working as much if not more than permanent staff, no flexability on the employees side., which should be the trade off for being employed as a casual..I dont know, doesnt sound great to me.. 12days a month would be fine but 20 that they choose??
Do they pay any super??
Good luck to all who apply but make sure you know what you are getting youself in for. Seems like the only thing you get is an hourly rate!!
Do they pay any super??
Good luck to all who apply but make sure you know what you are getting youself in for. Seems like the only thing you get is an hourly rate!!
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it seems as thought the recruitment drive is in anticipation of the new perm EBA. in the new EBA (if it is voted in) anyone who wants to be part time will get part time- and there are a lot of people who really want part time & are already on a waiting list. so there will be lots of hours left to cover if/when these permanent crew are made part time.
also- (anyone who is perm QF crew pls correct me if im wrong here) at the moment the perm full time crew can attempt to 'dump' some of their hours, but if no one else perm picks them up, and if it cant be covered by casual crew, then it goes back to the person who tried to dump it-which i imagine is quite frustrating! in the new EBA i THINK, that they will be guaranteed that they can dump...so again potentially lots of hours that will need covered.
id say its very unlikely that there is any plan for recruits to be used for Jetstar bcos the MAM contract is currently only with QF not JQ Intl. unless that changes but we certainly havent been advised of anything like that.
hard to say how many hours the 20 day contract will generate- anything from -eg a canberra return as short as 3hrs 40- 4hrs, to a four leg day which is about 9 hrs 40. so the duties could be as short as 4hrs, up to longer days of 9 or more hrs.
cokecropduster, no they cant make people on contract C nreq on one of the 20 pre-allocated days, it has to be a duty. also from what i understand, and what i have heard others say, in that 12th month that you mentioned, it is a month of kinda 'forced' annual leave for a mth. i was a bit hesitant too about how to vote- but i was speaking with a very infomed CSM yesterday who has a law background, and he said that we need to be careful of voting no, then ending up having to negotiate individual contracts under the new Work Choices legislation whic comes into affect at the end of March i think?? but I know that i'll stay on contract B, bcos it suits my lifestyle and im quite happy with the hrs i get most months (80-100). all in all i dont think the new MAM EBA is so terrible, not that much has changed really, they still cant draft us- although it reads at first glance as though they can. now that i know that we cant be forced onto contract C im happy to vote yes- better the devil you know i guess!!
skysista, if you are interested in the job, definitely have a go, no one will call you a scab- id be really, really surprised if you ever got that kind of reaction from anyone, or if anyone would even think of you that way at all!! i know i certainly wouldnt- and if anyone did they would just be losers who dont deserved to be listened to in the first place. but i honestly just dont think anyone will ever have that kind of reaction to the new recruits that come through.
in the 15 mths ive been flying, ive probably had about 3 months which werent good for hours. i make myself avail. 4-5 days a week, and usually work all of these (again except for the 3 mths that have been quieter and ive been made Not Required probably 1 day each week). So some months have been quieter than others, but im optimistic that all the new changes will hopefully make more hours available in those quieter months. fingers crossed!
also- (anyone who is perm QF crew pls correct me if im wrong here) at the moment the perm full time crew can attempt to 'dump' some of their hours, but if no one else perm picks them up, and if it cant be covered by casual crew, then it goes back to the person who tried to dump it-which i imagine is quite frustrating! in the new EBA i THINK, that they will be guaranteed that they can dump...so again potentially lots of hours that will need covered.
id say its very unlikely that there is any plan for recruits to be used for Jetstar bcos the MAM contract is currently only with QF not JQ Intl. unless that changes but we certainly havent been advised of anything like that.
hard to say how many hours the 20 day contract will generate- anything from -eg a canberra return as short as 3hrs 40- 4hrs, to a four leg day which is about 9 hrs 40. so the duties could be as short as 4hrs, up to longer days of 9 or more hrs.
cokecropduster, no they cant make people on contract C nreq on one of the 20 pre-allocated days, it has to be a duty. also from what i understand, and what i have heard others say, in that 12th month that you mentioned, it is a month of kinda 'forced' annual leave for a mth. i was a bit hesitant too about how to vote- but i was speaking with a very infomed CSM yesterday who has a law background, and he said that we need to be careful of voting no, then ending up having to negotiate individual contracts under the new Work Choices legislation whic comes into affect at the end of March i think?? but I know that i'll stay on contract B, bcos it suits my lifestyle and im quite happy with the hrs i get most months (80-100). all in all i dont think the new MAM EBA is so terrible, not that much has changed really, they still cant draft us- although it reads at first glance as though they can. now that i know that we cant be forced onto contract C im happy to vote yes- better the devil you know i guess!!
skysista, if you are interested in the job, definitely have a go, no one will call you a scab- id be really, really surprised if you ever got that kind of reaction from anyone, or if anyone would even think of you that way at all!! i know i certainly wouldnt- and if anyone did they would just be losers who dont deserved to be listened to in the first place. but i honestly just dont think anyone will ever have that kind of reaction to the new recruits that come through.
in the 15 mths ive been flying, ive probably had about 3 months which werent good for hours. i make myself avail. 4-5 days a week, and usually work all of these (again except for the 3 mths that have been quieter and ive been made Not Required probably 1 day each week). So some months have been quieter than others, but im optimistic that all the new changes will hopefully make more hours available in those quieter months. fingers crossed!
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Grove, yeah we do get paid super. and yeah youre right about the 'casual but not really casual' thing. its one of the things that is said constantly by us casuals- our contract B is obviously much more flexible, but even so, its still not totally casual either. but im quite happy on the current contract, it works ok for me.