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Hi guys,
I start my BA training on 7th February and will be looking for a person or people to share with as I'm relocating to LHR from up North, if anybody else is looking to share send me a private message!!
I start my BA training on 7th February and will be looking for a person or people to share with as I'm relocating to LHR from up North, if anybody else is looking to share send me a private message!!
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Regarding salary: LHR Eurofleet bidding group (new contracts)
You are always given 10 days off per month regardless of any leave you have booked.
In one month if you have 10 days leave, then 10 days off you may only have 10 days work, and those flights may not be lucrative ones. Any sickness will reduce this further.
This may give you as little as £800 take home however this is very rare.
My advice is that if you can, pool together a 'slush fund' from better months and keep it saved away for a rainy month.
Also spread your leave out if you can. You can bid for days off to add to leave if you can do a last minute holiday.
There is an insurance company that covers you for sickness to give you income if you fall sick - details around the compass.
You are always given 10 days off per month regardless of any leave you have booked.
In one month if you have 10 days leave, then 10 days off you may only have 10 days work, and those flights may not be lucrative ones. Any sickness will reduce this further.
This may give you as little as £800 take home however this is very rare.
My advice is that if you can, pool together a 'slush fund' from better months and keep it saved away for a rainy month.
Also spread your leave out if you can. You can bid for days off to add to leave if you can do a last minute holiday.
There is an insurance company that covers you for sickness to give you income if you fall sick - details around the compass.
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Anyone at BA know if there is a shortage of crew on Gatwick worldwide? Was thinking of applying to BA but know there is no direct entry to ww at heathrow but sometimes is possible on lgw ww.
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At the moment there is a shortage of crew for WW Gatwick, so BA have transfered about 60 new entrant trainees who are still in the training school.
They were originally going to Eurofleet LHR but are now doing SEP conversion for the Gatwick worldwide fleet. I imagine there's mixed feelings about this - obviously some people will be delighted at the prospect of going onto the beach fleet, but for others I guess it will be difficult, especially after making arrangements for accommodation etc. It will also upset some existing crew who are waiting to be transferred.
So in answer to your question - yes, BA do sometimes have direct entry to Gatwick WW (not to LHR WW as you rightly pointed out), but I have to say that it's very unusual. As BA will tell you, it's all down to 'Operational Requirements'...
They were originally going to Eurofleet LHR but are now doing SEP conversion for the Gatwick worldwide fleet. I imagine there's mixed feelings about this - obviously some people will be delighted at the prospect of going onto the beach fleet, but for others I guess it will be difficult, especially after making arrangements for accommodation etc. It will also upset some existing crew who are waiting to be transferred.
So in answer to your question - yes, BA do sometimes have direct entry to Gatwick WW (not to LHR WW as you rightly pointed out), but I have to say that it's very unusual. As BA will tell you, it's all down to 'Operational Requirements'...
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jettesen:
It would not be appropriate to post salaries on here. However, what I would STRONGLY advise you to do (if you haven't already accepted a position at EF LGW that is), is to get in touch with The Rivers/Recruitment and ask if you could possibly be put onto a EF LHR course. Now, they may or may not be able to do this for you immediately but waiting it out for a few months would be more that worth it. Even though EF LGW is now Mainline BA, they are on a COMPLETELY different contract to EF LHR (i.e. EF LGW = very bad; EF LHR = very good). Even if you have been posted to EF LGW already it may still be worth asking for EF LHR - if you don't ask, you never know. Good luck
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It would not be appropriate to post salaries on here. However, what I would STRONGLY advise you to do (if you haven't already accepted a position at EF LGW that is), is to get in touch with The Rivers/Recruitment and ask if you could possibly be put onto a EF LHR course. Now, they may or may not be able to do this for you immediately but waiting it out for a few months would be more that worth it. Even though EF LGW is now Mainline BA, they are on a COMPLETELY different contract to EF LHR (i.e. EF LGW = very bad; EF LHR = very good). Even if you have been posted to EF LGW already it may still be worth asking for EF LHR - if you don't ask, you never know. Good luck
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i want lgw base not lhr. live in crawley so no sense in lhr base.
Who moved this post????? The whole p;oint of starting a new post, is so I can find the answer to my question quicker!
i want lgw base not lhr. live in crawley so no sense in lhr base.
Who moved this post????? The whole p;oint of starting a new post, is so I can find the answer to my question quicker!
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When it comes to bidding for overtime at euro lhr are you almost
guaranteed it or 100 per cent guaranteed it ? If you were
looking to earn 1,800 what sort of monthly roster would you be
looking at, as in trips and days off ?
guaranteed it or 100 per cent guaranteed it ? If you were
looking to earn 1,800 what sort of monthly roster would you be
looking at, as in trips and days off ?
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BA Money / Other airlines
When you complete your training with BA and you start flying, if
you chose to do a lot of overtime would it be realistic to be
bringing home 1,800 a month.
Is there any other Airline recruiting at the moment which is
offering a competative salary.
Anyone help?
you chose to do a lot of overtime would it be realistic to be
bringing home 1,800 a month.
Is there any other Airline recruiting at the moment which is
offering a competative salary.
Anyone help?
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Look mate, are you having a laugh! no it is no realistic!
You cant do as much overtime as you want, our hours are strictly controlled by crewing.
Considering the starting salary with BA is about £9,000...yes you get your allowances but you are not going to take home £1800!
No airline is really "competitive" as you put it, its all s**t money, Ive worked for both scheduled and charter and earnt much more with charter, what with bar comission, headsets etc.
You cant do as much overtime as you want, our hours are strictly controlled by crewing.
Considering the starting salary with BA is about £9,000...yes you get your allowances but you are not going to take home £1800!
No airline is really "competitive" as you put it, its all s**t money, Ive worked for both scheduled and charter and earnt much more with charter, what with bar comission, headsets etc.
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I beg to differ, £1800 IS a realistic take-home salary at BA.
HOWEVER, that is really the upper scale for BA shorthaul at LHR, and you will rarely earn any more than around the above figure.
A more average net salary would be around £1500/1600 with one or two occasions of overtime perhaps. (I'm talking full-time LHR base.)
However, I will agree that you can't do overtime ALL the time. For one, you are placed in a queue, so it's far from guaranteed. For 2, there are other rules, such as the min. number of days off you must have which might also preclude you from doing overtime. You can't do overtime during leave.
The bottom line is that it really depends on your roster; your destinations, your trips, amount of sectors and the allowances (meals) that you trigger, as well as any overtime acheived. For that reason, your monthly salary will vary.
But I say again, £1800 is not an unrealistic figure. But you won't acheive that every month.
Hostess, did you really earn more in charter? Perhaps the basic was better, but I have yet to meet anyone who was on more total money at any other UK airline.
p.s. I should have really added that in the first couple of months, you will in fact earn a pittance, as allowances are paid in arrears (same at my previous airline)
HOWEVER, that is really the upper scale for BA shorthaul at LHR, and you will rarely earn any more than around the above figure.
A more average net salary would be around £1500/1600 with one or two occasions of overtime perhaps. (I'm talking full-time LHR base.)
However, I will agree that you can't do overtime ALL the time. For one, you are placed in a queue, so it's far from guaranteed. For 2, there are other rules, such as the min. number of days off you must have which might also preclude you from doing overtime. You can't do overtime during leave.
The bottom line is that it really depends on your roster; your destinations, your trips, amount of sectors and the allowances (meals) that you trigger, as well as any overtime acheived. For that reason, your monthly salary will vary.
But I say again, £1800 is not an unrealistic figure. But you won't acheive that every month.
Hostess, did you really earn more in charter? Perhaps the basic was better, but I have yet to meet anyone who was on more total money at any other UK airline.
p.s. I should have really added that in the first couple of months, you will in fact earn a pittance, as allowances are paid in arrears (same at my previous airline)
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Yeah AJ I earnt ****loads! Even when I went part-time I was still on an excellent take home pay.
I agree that if you work your arse off, full time at LHR on s/h and have no social life you could earn a good wage, but I still think as you say that £1800 is a little bit high.
I agree that if you work your arse off, full time at LHR on s/h and have no social life you could earn a good wage, but I still think as you say that £1800 is a little bit high.
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Have to agree with AJ on this one - it IS very possible to earn that sort of take home - AND without overtime (all trips, few 'there and backs') - but the 'average' figure of 1500/1600 is more realistic. Oh, and Hostessmostess, who in gods name did you fly for??!! I had over 10 years seniority at my last (charter) airline and even tho my basic was twice that of BA new entrant I still earn more now. You musta been flogging your buttkiss on those nasty night dalamans pushing that 'ol 'judy free' cart like your life depended on it!! Just the thought of it makes me feel sick!
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PropellerPaul, are we talking about the same company?!
No offence mate, but if you left BA 7 years ago do you still feel qualified to comment on current terms & conditions?
Let's leave shorthaul LGW out of this, as their crew are on a different (less lucrative) contract. I'm talking eurofleet LHR, full-time main crew (not Purser or CSD).
I'm not sure why you think someone would have to work so very hard/have no life if they netted £1800 in a month. At the start I did state that that was near the ceiling for shorthaul earnings (although perfectly possible), and that net average takings were in the region of £1500/1600 monthly.
I left easyJet last year and I can assure I worked MUCH harder for considerably LESS money there...I've only been at BA for a couple of months and already earn more than I ever earned at easyJet.
Every full-time crewmember at BA has 10 days off (or more) a month, so I've also got more free time than I had at easyJet.
At BA, wages are more dependent on which allowances you trigger rather than how much 'work' you do - for instance, you'll earn more on a Geneva dinner allowance than a Tripoli lunch even though the Tripoli flights are much longer (and fuller...)
A friend of mine on my training course acheived £1800, and another £1700 last month; the former didn't even acheive overtime....
My message to Utell restated: £1800 at BA is not unrealistic, but it WOULD be unrealistic to expect it every month
By the way, I have nothing against easyJet; they're a good company and are making heaps of cash right now...
No offence mate, but if you left BA 7 years ago do you still feel qualified to comment on current terms & conditions?
Let's leave shorthaul LGW out of this, as their crew are on a different (less lucrative) contract. I'm talking eurofleet LHR, full-time main crew (not Purser or CSD).
I'm not sure why you think someone would have to work so very hard/have no life if they netted £1800 in a month. At the start I did state that that was near the ceiling for shorthaul earnings (although perfectly possible), and that net average takings were in the region of £1500/1600 monthly.
I left easyJet last year and I can assure I worked MUCH harder for considerably LESS money there...I've only been at BA for a couple of months and already earn more than I ever earned at easyJet.
Every full-time crewmember at BA has 10 days off (or more) a month, so I've also got more free time than I had at easyJet.
At BA, wages are more dependent on which allowances you trigger rather than how much 'work' you do - for instance, you'll earn more on a Geneva dinner allowance than a Tripoli lunch even though the Tripoli flights are much longer (and fuller...)
A friend of mine on my training course acheived £1800, and another £1700 last month; the former didn't even acheive overtime....
My message to Utell restated: £1800 at BA is not unrealistic, but it WOULD be unrealistic to expect it every month
By the way, I have nothing against easyJet; they're a good company and are making heaps of cash right now...
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10 full days off a month for full time?
My mate whos a purser at LGW on worldwide has just finally got his part-time contract (after 13 years on the list!) and has only just got 10 days off together.
I dont thinik £1800 is realistic, if it was then hell everyone would we be doing it!
My mate whos a purser at LGW on worldwide has just finally got his part-time contract (after 13 years on the list!) and has only just got 10 days off together.
I dont thinik £1800 is realistic, if it was then hell everyone would we be doing it!
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AJ and itsinthebag:
I can only agree with you - with the only exception being that I'd say that the average take home pay for a main crew member at EF LHR is DEFINITELY in the upper region of your stated average take home monthly pay (except of course when one has alot of leave all at once). Obviously this can be increased by quite a few hundred pounds if you are willing to give up, say, two days off each month and do some overtime (even then you will still have eight days off that month). BA is UNDOUBTEDLY the best airline in the UK (Europe? The world?) for crew to work for in terms of pay and terms and conditions etc.
Hostessmostess:
Just out of interest, are you EF LGW or EF LHR? If you are the former then you would be correct in your statements that that amount of money would be virtually impossible to earn at that base - but definitely not at EF LHR. Oh, and by the way, your 'mate' on WW LGW works to totally different agreements than on EF. ON EF LHR we have 10 days off per month (set in stone) with the distinct possibility of getting one or two more if we get given NON-OP days (due to industrial agreements etc.). On WW LHR and LGW they get fixed MBT (minimum base turnaround) days off after a duty i.e. different trips/trip lenghts always require a certain amount of MBT's off. Now, at WW LGW I can say for certain that they get considerably MORE than 10 MBT's per month. It certainly won't take them 13 years to achieve this be they part-time or not.
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I can only agree with you - with the only exception being that I'd say that the average take home pay for a main crew member at EF LHR is DEFINITELY in the upper region of your stated average take home monthly pay (except of course when one has alot of leave all at once). Obviously this can be increased by quite a few hundred pounds if you are willing to give up, say, two days off each month and do some overtime (even then you will still have eight days off that month). BA is UNDOUBTEDLY the best airline in the UK (Europe? The world?) for crew to work for in terms of pay and terms and conditions etc.
Hostessmostess:
Just out of interest, are you EF LGW or EF LHR? If you are the former then you would be correct in your statements that that amount of money would be virtually impossible to earn at that base - but definitely not at EF LHR. Oh, and by the way, your 'mate' on WW LGW works to totally different agreements than on EF. ON EF LHR we have 10 days off per month (set in stone) with the distinct possibility of getting one or two more if we get given NON-OP days (due to industrial agreements etc.). On WW LHR and LGW they get fixed MBT (minimum base turnaround) days off after a duty i.e. different trips/trip lenghts always require a certain amount of MBT's off. Now, at WW LGW I can say for certain that they get considerably MORE than 10 MBT's per month. It certainly won't take them 13 years to achieve this be they part-time or not.
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I'm ww lgw and I'm full time. It's like working part time though. I get 3 days off after each trip, plus the day we land which is early morning. On average 3 to 4 trips per month. The salary average salary mentioned is the average salary for LGW WW too, and I've had the higher figure and more on a good month.
Having worked for charter, I think we are very well looked after at BA.
Having worked for charter, I think we are very well looked after at BA.