Qantas Australia Interviews - Anyone heard back yet?
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My application has been on staff cv for about 8 months or so, and i had my assessment day on the 24th sept. I heard from Q last week to tell me that i forgot to sign one of the pages (wooopsy!) and so they faxed it to me and i signed and faxed back.
The more and more i think about it, the more and more i think if offered a position i will decline, as hard as it will be. I would love to fly and was rejected by virgin earlier this year so i kinda see this as my last chance.
Best Of luck to you all, whateva you decide!!!
The more and more i think about it, the more and more i think if offered a position i will decline, as hard as it will be. I would love to fly and was rejected by virgin earlier this year so i kinda see this as my last chance.
Best Of luck to you all, whateva you decide!!!
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I HAVE HEARD BACK BUT WHAT NOW
Hi there,
I had an assesment day in August with Qantas for the fixed term long haul F/A position. Not speaking another language, not holding a passport, RSA or first aid certificate and applying almost two years ago I found the whole thing a little dodgey.
Nethertheless, I went along and got a phone call two weeks later asking for my documents. In two weeks, as well as finishing my univeristy degree I completed senior first aid, RSA and got a passport. I then had a medical and I just returned from Melbourne after two weeks of intensive 12 hours a day training sessions. I heard back but now after I have done everything Qantas has asked me too I am waiting for the promised 3 month contract if it is even offered!
Galley Power
I accepted the position but not as a strike breaker. I see the position as one where I get to fly. I am not standing in the way of any of the current crew and i\'m not taking their jobs. What is so bad about being a strike breaker - think of it as work experience.
I had an assesment day in August with Qantas for the fixed term long haul F/A position. Not speaking another language, not holding a passport, RSA or first aid certificate and applying almost two years ago I found the whole thing a little dodgey.
Nethertheless, I went along and got a phone call two weeks later asking for my documents. In two weeks, as well as finishing my univeristy degree I completed senior first aid, RSA and got a passport. I then had a medical and I just returned from Melbourne after two weeks of intensive 12 hours a day training sessions. I heard back but now after I have done everything Qantas has asked me too I am waiting for the promised 3 month contract if it is even offered!
Galley Power
I accepted the position but not as a strike breaker. I see the position as one where I get to fly. I am not standing in the way of any of the current crew and i\'m not taking their jobs. What is so bad about being a strike breaker - think of it as work experience.
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Having just read your post, I feel compelled to point out a number of issues I believe you need to be aware of.
At what point did alarm bells NOT ring for you? If this is how they treat contractors such as yourself (that is if, as you say, you are even provided work), how is it you believe you will be treated well in any attempt to gain permanent employment?
I don't know of many organisations (in fact, I don't know any at all!) that train people, and keep them in limbo for a 3 month period for the POSSIBILITY of being offered a 3 month contract.
Unfortunately, you are incorrect in your assumption that you are NOT standing in the way of current crew.
Look at it from this perspective:
* Qantas is ramping up capacity at a huge rate, opening up new routes, etc. Therefore, there is a need for new crew.
* At the same time, QF intend on setting up a LHR base, with no guarantees on whether or not this is the only international base they wish to set up. This creates the threat of redundancies (and as contractor, you go first).
* You might want to ask yourself if you were good enough to be a contractor why you weren't afforded at least the option of going to London on a more permanent basis (?!?)
* At the expense of recruiting PERMANENT FULL TIME people SUCH AS YOURSELF, they intend on hiring overseas nationals on INFERIOR terms and conditions to those currently awarded to Australian crew (once the small number of Australian crew that have registered their interest have relocated). This creates a nasty imbalance where one workgroup is levered against the other during each round negotiations.
Without realising it (and I'm not apportioning blame to the contractors here, as most have had no awareness of the true nature of their employment), you have stood in the way of YOUR OWN permanent employment in the future. Remember that as a contractor, you are but one of many hundreds who MAY or MAY NOT get work over the 3-month period. And for what? Chances are you'll be lucky to fly one trip, let alone 3 months worth.
The whole purpose of this LHR base thing is to REDUCE COSTS of overnighting AUSTRALIAN crew in London. One aspect of this is to AVOID as much permanent employment as possible. Whilst it presents a current threat to the current crew, it does a great DISSERVICE to your own plans for the future.
As for your last line:
I will reserve my more colourful comments to say this...
You will rue the day you ever said anything so naive. You have a lot to learn not just about this industry, but life in general.
Congratulations on gaining your uni degree by the way. Chances are, you're going to need it.
Having just read your post, I feel compelled to point out a number of issues I believe you need to be aware of.
"I then had a medical and I just returned from Melbourne after two weeks of intensive 12 hours a day training sessions. I heard back but now after I have done everything Qantas has asked me too I am waiting for the promised 3 month contract if it is even offered!"
I don't know of many organisations (in fact, I don't know any at all!) that train people, and keep them in limbo for a 3 month period for the POSSIBILITY of being offered a 3 month contract.
"I accepted the position but not as a strike breaker. I see the position as one where I get to fly. I am not standing in the way of any of the current crew and i\'m not taking their jobs. What is so bad about being a strike breaker - think of it as work experience."
Look at it from this perspective:
* Qantas is ramping up capacity at a huge rate, opening up new routes, etc. Therefore, there is a need for new crew.
* At the same time, QF intend on setting up a LHR base, with no guarantees on whether or not this is the only international base they wish to set up. This creates the threat of redundancies (and as contractor, you go first).
* You might want to ask yourself if you were good enough to be a contractor why you weren't afforded at least the option of going to London on a more permanent basis (?!?)
* At the expense of recruiting PERMANENT FULL TIME people SUCH AS YOURSELF, they intend on hiring overseas nationals on INFERIOR terms and conditions to those currently awarded to Australian crew (once the small number of Australian crew that have registered their interest have relocated). This creates a nasty imbalance where one workgroup is levered against the other during each round negotiations.
Without realising it (and I'm not apportioning blame to the contractors here, as most have had no awareness of the true nature of their employment), you have stood in the way of YOUR OWN permanent employment in the future. Remember that as a contractor, you are but one of many hundreds who MAY or MAY NOT get work over the 3-month period. And for what? Chances are you'll be lucky to fly one trip, let alone 3 months worth.
The whole purpose of this LHR base thing is to REDUCE COSTS of overnighting AUSTRALIAN crew in London. One aspect of this is to AVOID as much permanent employment as possible. Whilst it presents a current threat to the current crew, it does a great DISSERVICE to your own plans for the future.
As for your last line:
"What is so bad about being a strike breaker - think of it as work experience."
You will rue the day you ever said anything so naive. You have a lot to learn not just about this industry, but life in general.
Congratulations on gaining your uni degree by the way. Chances are, you're going to need it.
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To Mr Seatback 2,
All I was trying to point out was the fact that I knew exactly what I was getting myself into when I took the position, I know what conditions I am getting myself into and I can't complain because I did accept the position. I have other things I could quiet easily do, but I would like the oppurtunity to fly. The way I see it is I will never get another oppurtunity to do so. Many others that were training with me all agree, we just saw an oppurtunity to live out a dream job for a while so we took it, no matter what the conditions. After three months there are no permanant positions so how are we taking others jobs??? We are not - simply standing in until everything sorts itself out.
There is nothing naive about any of my comments, I know exactly what a I am in for thank you.
If nothing shall ever come of this, I had a terrific experience while training and met some fantastic people and if that's as far as I get then so be it - it was fun while it lasted.
All I was trying to point out was the fact that I knew exactly what I was getting myself into when I took the position, I know what conditions I am getting myself into and I can't complain because I did accept the position. I have other things I could quiet easily do, but I would like the oppurtunity to fly. The way I see it is I will never get another oppurtunity to do so. Many others that were training with me all agree, we just saw an oppurtunity to live out a dream job for a while so we took it, no matter what the conditions. After three months there are no permanant positions so how are we taking others jobs??? We are not - simply standing in until everything sorts itself out.
There is nothing naive about any of my comments, I know exactly what a I am in for thank you.
If nothing shall ever come of this, I had a terrific experience while training and met some fantastic people and if that's as far as I get then so be it - it was fun while it lasted.
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TO EVERYONE WHO HAS COMPLETED THEIR 12 DAY TRAINING COURSE IN EITHER SYDNEY OR MELBOURNE - HAS ANYONE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE 3 MONTH CONTRACT AND DO WE STILL TURN UP ON DEC 11????
AFTER THE TRAINING IS EVERYONE STILL TAKING UP THE OFFER?
AFTER THE TRAINING IS EVERYONE STILL TAKING UP THE OFFER?
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Well, it appears you wont be able to live out your dream with QF Long Haul at least, an in principal agreement has been reached. Therefore if there is no strike, the strike breakers wont be required they will be surplus to QF's requirements.
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Paris flyer,
Are you saying that if this strike was not to happen you would never have been employed as a flight attendant ? What does this say to you ?
If you people want to fly so much and have big dreams to fly like the rest of us ppruners then why don't you have some dignity and only accept a "real" flight attendant job. You are selling yourself short. If you really want to fly then only accept conditions that are worth what you are.
This is not a real job - this is not your dream - this is King Gee pants, a polo shirt and a kick up the behind when it is all over.
Glamourous....pffffft.
Are you saying that if this strike was not to happen you would never have been employed as a flight attendant ? What does this say to you ?
If you people want to fly so much and have big dreams to fly like the rest of us ppruners then why don't you have some dignity and only accept a "real" flight attendant job. You are selling yourself short. If you really want to fly then only accept conditions that are worth what you are.
This is not a real job - this is not your dream - this is King Gee pants, a polo shirt and a kick up the behind when it is all over.
Glamourous....pffffft.
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I must say I don't blame QANTAS for their actions in preventing any customer disturbances incase of a strike. I refer to us strike breakers, employed on 3month contracts and a taste of what might be for some of us - a dream come true. However, throughout the whole experience I have remained positive, thinking that surely QF could not spend so much money on accomodation and training and not use us if a strike does not occur. Why would such a huge company want to train crew and not 'USE' them? Well it seems now QF has realised they have 350 people that are willing to work for 3 months so they are now offering a number of other options of employment one of which a MAM contract which will require a series of interivews. Should we be excited about this??? I think so. Not one person I met during interviews and training needed this job, they simply wanted it and now we have a chance to really earn it. I must say, I knew something may come of this and i'm glad I and others stuck with it and took the chance.
It's that foot in the door oppurtunity for us now and we have to use it for all it's worth.
It's that foot in the door oppurtunity for us now and we have to use it for all it's worth.
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You have answered your own question. The reason why QF spent all that money on Training and Accommodation is because they wanted to prevent a disturbances in case of a strike. It had nothing to do with a QF getting value for money it was about protecting the business (managements point of view by the way not mine).
Should you be excited by the fact you now have to go through the interview process again and be selected by the same team of people and review panel from Qantas that thought you were suitable as a strike breaker? I think not, I would be insulted!!
Furthermore if and when you are employed by MAM as a casual flight attendant contracted back to Qantas through this labour hire company I wouldnt be telling anyone you were trained as a "strike breaker" as in the eyes of Qantas cabin crew a strike breaker is a strike breaker no matter what division you are in.
You have answered your own question. The reason why QF spent all that money on Training and Accommodation is because they wanted to prevent a disturbances in case of a strike. It had nothing to do with a QF getting value for money it was about protecting the business (managements point of view by the way not mine).
Should you be excited by the fact you now have to go through the interview process again and be selected by the same team of people and review panel from Qantas that thought you were suitable as a strike breaker? I think not, I would be insulted!!
Furthermore if and when you are employed by MAM as a casual flight attendant contracted back to Qantas through this labour hire company I wouldnt be telling anyone you were trained as a "strike breaker" as in the eyes of Qantas cabin crew a strike breaker is a strike breaker no matter what division you are in.
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Ha!
Paris_Fllyer...
I accepted the position but not as a strike breaker. I see the position as one where I get to fly. I am not standing in the way of any of the current crew and i\'m not taking their jobs. What is so bad about being a strike breaker - think of it as work experience.
Don't make me laugh! No wonder Qantas were able to find people to train by getting people like yourself! You are so misguided by all of this.
You should get a REAL flight attending position with a company that will repect you (at least a bit) like us - NJS QantasLink - recruiting next month, Jetstar, Virgin Blue, Australian, Eastern, Sunstate...
At least you won't be on a 3 month contract, on call, you'll be full tiime, liked and respected by fellow staff... oh, and not have a uniform from the racks at K-Mart.
Paris_Flyer you should change your name to something more realistic, like potentialqantasstrikebreaker_nowwithnothingbutmore_interview s.
If your so desparate to fly, use your time and energy elsewhere, learn about the industry and good luck in making more appropriate choices in the near future.
I accepted the position but not as a strike breaker. I see the position as one where I get to fly. I am not standing in the way of any of the current crew and i\'m not taking their jobs. What is so bad about being a strike breaker - think of it as work experience.
Don't make me laugh! No wonder Qantas were able to find people to train by getting people like yourself! You are so misguided by all of this.
You should get a REAL flight attending position with a company that will repect you (at least a bit) like us - NJS QantasLink - recruiting next month, Jetstar, Virgin Blue, Australian, Eastern, Sunstate...
At least you won't be on a 3 month contract, on call, you'll be full tiime, liked and respected by fellow staff... oh, and not have a uniform from the racks at K-Mart.
Paris_Flyer you should change your name to something more realistic, like potentialqantasstrikebreaker_nowwithnothingbutmore_interview s.
If your so desparate to fly, use your time and energy elsewhere, learn about the industry and good luck in making more appropriate choices in the near future.
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I say congratulations on taking a stand and doing what YOU want to do. Fair enough the conditions may not be ideal, but i understand exactly what you mean about 'thinking of it as work experience.'
Some people aren't that lucky that they get full time job offers from every airline, and for those people who just want to fly, a 3 month contract is going to look quite appealing! I myself tried with virgin but was unsuccessful, and am still waiting to hear back from Q. However if offered i doubt i will accept because i am not that desperate to fly, i am midway through a uni degree and still young (and my pilot dad is strongly discouraging me from taking the position!)
To everyone else, some people, like paris_flyer, just aren't bothered that they might not be treated as well as at any other job. They are well aware of that i'm sure, and have still decided to accept. So lay off and best wishes to them!
I say congratulations on taking a stand and doing what YOU want to do. Fair enough the conditions may not be ideal, but i understand exactly what you mean about 'thinking of it as work experience.'
Some people aren't that lucky that they get full time job offers from every airline, and for those people who just want to fly, a 3 month contract is going to look quite appealing! I myself tried with virgin but was unsuccessful, and am still waiting to hear back from Q. However if offered i doubt i will accept because i am not that desperate to fly, i am midway through a uni degree and still young (and my pilot dad is strongly discouraging me from taking the position!)
To everyone else, some people, like paris_flyer, just aren't bothered that they might not be treated as well as at any other job. They are well aware of that i'm sure, and have still decided to accept. So lay off and best wishes to them!
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jesski,
your father would have strongly discouraged you from taking up the offer as a strike breaker because at the end of the day an individuals CHOICE to willingly undermine the working conditions of another is unethical, immoral, repugnant and unaustralian.
Our "friend" paris flyer would be well advised to never divulge their actions should they ever attain a fulltime position with QF.
I hope you never do.
As for QF spending money on you?
Thats a laugh.......
Karma-
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your father would have strongly discouraged you from taking up the offer as a strike breaker because at the end of the day an individuals CHOICE to willingly undermine the working conditions of another is unethical, immoral, repugnant and unaustralian.
Our "friend" paris flyer would be well advised to never divulge their actions should they ever attain a fulltime position with QF.
I hope you never do.
As for QF spending money on you?
Thats a laugh.......
Karma-
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Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University
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I totally agree with all of you that DON'T agree with these strike breakers! It's great for them for 3 months, but they don't realise that they're potentially runining the jobs of people who have been there for 30 years plus!
Just a quick question. I'm coming home for 2 months in Jan/Feb, and was just wondering, will the strikes affect my flights? Just have to be careful cause I'm using staff travel and don't want to get stuck anywhere!!!
Good luck to all you crew who are striking, it's about time you show QF who's the boss!!!!
Just a quick question. I'm coming home for 2 months in Jan/Feb, and was just wondering, will the strikes affect my flights? Just have to be careful cause I'm using staff travel and don't want to get stuck anywhere!!!
Good luck to all you crew who are striking, it's about time you show QF who's the boss!!!!
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It was announced by the media and the union the other day that there will be no striking as they have come to an agreement with Qantas to cap the number of overseas crew at 870, so your flights and anyone elses will not be disrupted!
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WELL DONE
I honestly still do not see anyone's problem with us strike breakers!
In my contract I was given it clearly states that after the three month period - or less if we were not needed, there would be no oppurtunity for PERMANENT employment, hence we were never in place to take anyone's job. Do you even know the conditions and contract of the strike breakers? Have you seen a copy? If you haven't you should stop criticising so much. At the end of the day you still have your job.
In my contract I was given it clearly states that after the three month period - or less if we were not needed, there would be no oppurtunity for PERMANENT employment, hence we were never in place to take anyone's job. Do you even know the conditions and contract of the strike breakers? Have you seen a copy? If you haven't you should stop criticising so much. At the end of the day you still have your job.
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stop crying full timers
full timers. stop crying and trying to blame others. It has been a known fact that CC get way over paid for what they do, so if u r still crying after all of these yrs of dishing out go and work for Mcdonalds and be a waiter on the ground and see how much u get there, by the way no striking at mackers so u won't have to deal with strike breakers. GREED GREED GREED, I hope all u strike breakers stop calling yourself strike breakers, u r now employees of Qantas, does not matter what the conditions. The Unions lost big time 3% per year pfffffffff what a raw deal and still have their route axed. This whole thing got press, was on many t.v programs so don't worry u r the lucky ones now, and WILL be offered positions whether it be with MAM SH or LH, don't listen to the other negative full time greedy players they should go to www.greedyqfcc.com ha ha
stay positive i hope to be served by one of u QF contracters if I can point u out from the polo shirt, doubt that will ever happen, all bullox
stay positive i hope to be served by one of u QF contracters if I can point u out from the polo shirt, doubt that will ever happen, all bullox
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chinup...
First of all - I'll have what you're having.
What point are you making chinup? No one here is crying over anything. Rather, I read posts here that indicate people here are standing up for what they believe in and have fought for over the years.
CC get way over paid? This wouldn't be the same CC position you're trying to seek employment as?? Point being?
You mean...
1) I AM an employee for 12 days while I go through training...
2) Then I'm NOT an employee for 6-8 weeks until the contract starts...
3) Then I AM an employee for 3 months on standby.
What the??? What sort of employee is that? Employees of QF - for how long? Until the severance pay kicks in? It does matter what the conditions are. Imagine for a moment chinup that Emirates asked you to be Cabin Crew for 2 weeks, then not for 8 weeks, then again for 3 months - maybe. Employee? Pull the other one.
What route was axed? Where? Last I looked they were expanding their route network and frequencies (part of the reason, I understand, for the establishment of a London base).
Oh and chinup, no offence intended, but you're hardly in a position to justify what the union has and hasn't achieved given that you're not Cabin Crew.
Oh they WILL be offered positions then? You know this for fact? Because there will of a sudden be 357 positions available for these individuals in Cabin Crew divisions across the board? Is this including those positions guaranteed in the QF Group for the 11 month contractors too?!
Sadly, I too doubt that will ever occur.
Like I said - I'll have what you're having chinup. Sounds great. Who's your dealer?!
First of all - I'll have what you're having.
"It has been a known fact that CC get way over paid for what they do, so if u r still crying after all of these yrs of dishing out go and work for Mcdonalds and be a waiter on the ground and see how much u get there, by the way no striking at mackers so u won't have to deal with strike breakers.
CC get way over paid? This wouldn't be the same CC position you're trying to seek employment as?? Point being?
"I hope all u strike breakers stop calling yourself strike breakers, u r now employees of Qantas, does not matter what the conditions."
1) I AM an employee for 12 days while I go through training...
2) Then I'm NOT an employee for 6-8 weeks until the contract starts...
3) Then I AM an employee for 3 months on standby.
What the??? What sort of employee is that? Employees of QF - for how long? Until the severance pay kicks in? It does matter what the conditions are. Imagine for a moment chinup that Emirates asked you to be Cabin Crew for 2 weeks, then not for 8 weeks, then again for 3 months - maybe. Employee? Pull the other one.
"The Unions lost big time 3% per year pfffffffff what a raw deal and still have their route axed.
Oh and chinup, no offence intended, but you're hardly in a position to justify what the union has and hasn't achieved given that you're not Cabin Crew.
"This whole thing got press, was on many t.v programs so don't worry u r the lucky ones now, and WILL be offered positions whether it be with MAM SH or LH, don't listen to the other negative full time greedy players they should go to www.greedyqfcc.com ha ha"
"stay positive i hope to be served by one of u QF contracters if I can point u out from the polo shirt, doubt that will ever happen, all bullox"
Like I said - I'll have what you're having chinup. Sounds great. Who's your dealer?!
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I too received that Qantas email that informed us of our options with other airlines. Is there any other fixed termers out there who know how we let Qantas know what our selections are, because everytime I try and ring, it just rings out. I don't know if I am supposed to be looking for a full-time job now or not. I am starting to get low on cash. Jetstar are still recruiting now, but they rejected me 3 months ago, do you think that I will have to wait another year till I apply again? And apparently I don't have the 'Virgin Flair'. Emirates never came back after I attended the open day in Melbourne this year. I am running out of options. I have never even heard anything from NJS, Qlink and missed the boat with MAM. Is there anyone else out there who is startig to wonder if they are ever going to get a job as a f/a? I would even do ground crew, but can't even seem to get a job doing that either?
Back to the drawing board for me!
Back to the drawing board for me!
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Chinup
You amaze me, you go from wanting to be Qantas cabin crew a few months ago, to being against strike breakers, to being accepted into Emirates, to being supportive of Qantas cabin crew during the LHR base and EBA to now supporting the strike breakers and "turning" on Qantas cabin crew. Gezz no wonder your still on the outside looking in!!
You amaze me, you go from wanting to be Qantas cabin crew a few months ago, to being against strike breakers, to being accepted into Emirates, to being supportive of Qantas cabin crew during the LHR base and EBA to now supporting the strike breakers and "turning" on Qantas cabin crew. Gezz no wonder your still on the outside looking in!!