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Old 2nd Oct 2004, 05:01
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SocialFlyer,

I am 100% sure the shortlist is for Longhaul. My "sauces" have indicated that this recruitment is to cover possible extended industrial action. We all know what that means.

As for chinup - your information and guesswork is completely inaccurate, and this priority one, priority two business is absolute nonsense.

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Priority List..

it seems those that were not successful like social flyer for e.g will still be put on hold as a last priority just in case they can't get the numbers
Chinup,

Please do not make statements which you are not sure of yet. Id prefer to hear from QF that I am not successful instead of having your uneducated guess. There is no way you could possibly know the status of my application and where I am up to in the recruitment process. I dont mean to sound rude, but posting that I have not made it through (when I dont even know so yet) really isn't the nicest of things to be writing on here.......

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Hi Everyone!!
Just new here...
I attended one of these qantas assessment days on 24th September... someone told me to expect to hear back in 2 weeks, but from what i've seen here i'll be waiting alot longer, right? Oh well, i don't really expect to get in anyways.
I went for VB back in march, and boy i wish i had known about this site then!!! My stepdad is a pilot and showed me it just the other day, after informing me that i'd be something called a scab, and i probably would not want to be one of those, but i guess it's personal opinion right? I didnt even make it through the first round with virgin... something about not having enough 'Virgin Flair'.. righteo.
Anyways, if anyone around here was at my assessment day an has heard anything, feel free to drop me a line!
Thanks Guys!
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This cut and paste from news.com.au -

Bid to stop Qantas 'strike breakers'
By Bianca Wordley
October 4, 2004


THE union representing international flight attendants will meet Qantas management in Sydney tomorrow over claims the airline is training a team of strike breakers.

Flight Attendants Association of Australia (FAAA), which represents about 4000 international flight attendants, said it would take the matter to the Australian Industrial Relations Commission this week if talks with the company failed tomorrow.

The divisional secretary of the International Division, Michael Mijatov, said 170 new fixed term workers, who are not considered ongoing full time employees, were being trained by Qantas but had not been guaranteed employment with the company.

"They are merely being trained to use as strike breakers," Mr Mijatov said today.

"These people are desperate to get work with Qantas but they are just being used.

"They are being put on the shelf to be used as strike breakers."

He said they were "urgently meeting with Qantas over their use of these fixed termers".

"What we are saying is this is in breach of our EBA (enterprise bargaining agreement)," he said.

"They should be employed by the company straightaway and not put on hold as an alternative workforce."

He said another 150 fixed term workers were trained earlier this year but were given employment with Qantas.

There are no restrictions on the number of fixed term staff Qantas is allowed to hire or train, he said.

Mr Mijatov claimed the workers were being trained to provide relief if staff took strike action in December, as previously foreshadowed.

He said the EBA expired on December 17 and it was expected members would take widespread industrial action over a number of issues.

These included the use of fixed termers and the company's plan to open another overseas base in London and its attempts to lift overseas staff restrictions at its Bangkok and Auckland bases, which would take jobs away from Australian staff.

International, or long haul attendants, were also angry at the company's decision to staff its new fleet of Airbus A330s, which fly to Hong Kong, with domestic attendants.

A spokeswoman for Qantas confirmed the management would be meeting the union tomorrow on a range of issues.

The company has previously denied it had breached the EBA and said it was training staff for the busy holiday period.

AAP

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Shortlist emails

Hi there

Is there anymore news on the emails from Qantas re attending the assessment centre for shortlist?

Anyone receive an email this week?

Good luck if you received one.

Still waiting for mine
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Old 6th Oct 2004, 12:09
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the current assessment centre shortlist has been confirmed so far as an internal recruitment for QF Subsidary staff who applied on staff cv, you currently have to be working for the Qantas Group of companies to be eligible.
Have also been told its for the shortlist for LH permanent..
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Congrats mid!
just wondering, when was ur assessment day?
Thanks!
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This information via the International FAAA-

8 October 2004

Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants

Don't Quit Your Day Job for Night Training!

We've all heard the rumours about Qantas employing and training “strike breakers” for upcoming trouble with its long haul cabin crew. Unfortunately, the Association is not able to deny any of them!

Qantas management has confirmed rumours that it is training these fixed term flight attendant recruits at all hours of the day, including at night. When one of the new recruits asked about the “unusual hours” for the training, she was informed that it would “test her suitability for shift work”. This doesn't sound very serious for an airline that is supposed to be serious about training. And how long is the training? Only 7 days of face to face training!

Our office is receiving many calls from distressed individuals, not to mention their parents, all disgusted at the exploitation of these recruits, often very young. The calls we are receiving are repeated reports of people feeling misled by Qantas into taking a job as a fixed term flight attendant. Some say that they were told that they would be offered an 11 month contract so they would leave their jobs, only to find that they have been offered a contract of just 3 months to commence in December. And then Qantas wants to be able to terminate that contact on 4 weeks notice if it doesn't need them!

Remember how keen you were to start as a flight attendant? These fixed termers are no different. The difference is that Qantas appears uncommitted to them. Some of these new recruits are not even going to get proper uniforms – just King Gee pants and a polo top – which they haven't even been issued with yet.

These new recruits are entitled to be FAAA members with all of the EBA entitlements and they also have the right to take protected industrial action . Qantas is even telling them not to speak to anyone outside of their training! Qantas also tried to intimidate these new recruits by having management at their FAAA induction class. This issue has now been resolved with the assistance of the Australian Industrial Relations Commission.

Please encourage any of these new recruits to join the FAAA and contact the FAAA with their concerns and get the real story. We want to make them permanent Australian based cabin crew and stop this use of people by Qantas eager to train as flight attendants.

Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Divisional Secretary

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Those new recruits who may wish to contact the FAAA for information regarding the situation they face may reach the FAAA at-

Sydney-9267-952
Toll free-1800-267952

You owe it to yourselves to be FULLY informed.

L2P "S.T.R."

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Hi Guys,


Just a quickie!!! I went for an assessment day in PER about 6 weeks ago now and still haven't heard back yet. However, two days ago a lady from Cabin Crew Recruitment rang to ask if I'd received the email they sent me to attend an assessment day in two weeks time. I told her I hadn't received any email and that I'd already been to an assessment 6 weeks ago. She told me to disregard the phone call and email. I am now wondering though, perhaps I should've just gone to another assessment as I haven't heard anything back yet.


Any thoughts???


Thanks,

Shaggs
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 14:03
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I don't know about anyone else on here, but I'm sick of the whole thing.

You read me - sick of it. Especially, sick of the way QF are treating people, in particular staff from subsidiary carriers.

I was on the shortlist for 16 months (approx), only to be told 'thanks but no thanks' like all the other shortlisters. Fair enough - don't have to like it, but that's life.

I then find out (from friends, some of whom are in the same boat as me) that colleagues of theirs within QF are currently working as Long Haul crew on secondment from their jobs within QF. Good on em I say - maybe next time for me??

This week, I also find out (all of this from consistently reliable sources) that some of my fellow Jetstar crew (who have been flying as long as I have, some of them longer) were invited to assessment centres. On top of this, some of them were offered secondment positions...

But wait for it...

In almost all circumstances, their staffcv applications had 'QantasLink' as their employer (which, 5 months ago, was true). When these fellow crew, out of courtesy, said "oh, by the way, my company has changed to Jetstar"...the response is..

"Oh. Well then, you won't be offered a secondment. Bye"

This, combined with the fact that since we became Jetstar we effectively LOST half of our staff travel privileges, has meant that morale and motivation are words with no meaning for many long serving and once-dedicated crew at Jetstar.

We are paid lip service and given very little by way of recognition, support or even encouragement.

When we complain, we are usually told:

"You should thank yourselves lucky you even have jobs"

WHY? We were the reason Jetstar managed to start up inside 6 months, AND the reason why the new low-cost airline managed to make a profit just 3 months after startup (when the budget forecasted it would take 18 months!).

We went from full service carrier to low cost airline overnight on May 24, and we've been giving it our best shot - for what?! Recognition? Pay? HA!

NOW - we find out we're not good enough to go across to the mainline carrier (we were 5 months ago at least!)

Sigh. And Qantas and Jetstar can't work out why it's staff (or more to the point, it's crew) are so unhappy.

Rant over.
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This week, I also find out (all of this from consistently reliable sources) that some of my fellow Jetstar crew (who have been flying as long as I have, some of them longer) were invited to assessment centres. On top of this, some of them were offered secondment positions...
i got VERY excited when i received these emails and phone calls as i thought 'this could be my ticket out'. Too good to be true obviosuly so mabye i can make you feel a little better Mr Seatback....

Alot of us received phone calls and emails for 'Permanent Full time' positions and were also told it was for 'Longhaul' and that 'It was an internal recruitment only, you have to work for a subsidary company of QF to apply. and yes, sure Jetstar is fine.'

After hearing lots of rumors about contract interviews being held the same day, i call HR back to confirm it is indeed a PERMANENT FULL TIME POSITION as i was assured it was twice on the telephone previously.
HR lady umms and ahhs then finally tells me that no, its contract work not permanent, but mabye i should go to the interview anyway incase i change my mind. She was almost begging.
i explained to her that i would have to be stupid to be giving up a full time position with benefits in order to go for an 11 month contract as a strikebreaker then end up with no job at all and no hope of probably getting my old one back. She still invited me along if i did reconsider... seemed quite desperate for me to go regardless of how i felt actually.

Have also heard another employee received an email and two phone calls offering him a secondment to SH for approx 12 months, with a guarantee to return to Jetstar afterward. Obviously he became very excited at the chance.. so excited he fogot to ask them a few questions. Called them back 15 mins later and spoke to a different person who informed him that there were 'no secondments, only 5 and 11 month contracts that needed filling, and yes, his name had been written down under the contract interviews' Thinking it must be a mistake he confirmed to the man he had only received a phone call 15 mins prior and they def. stated a secondment. again, the man assured him that the only interviews being held that they know of are for contract work, and that internal staff are also being offered that position. There are no secondments being offered in writing at all.

The fact that QF are blatantly lying to us in an effort to get attendance at these interviews REALLY annoys and upsets me.
I went out and rebooked in for a First Aid course etc in the hope that i was going for an interview for a permanent, full time position. How can they get away with this? Isnt it illegal or something to falsely advertise a position that is not being offered? Are they really that desperate for more strike breakers that they are attempting to deceive internal staff with hopes of full time permanent employment or secondments just to get their attendance at interviews???

I almost want to go to this interview now just so i can watch all the subsidary staff walk out when told that the position is only contract work and that after that they will have no job with Qantas at all, and will have sacrificed years of senority and hard work to get somewhere in the company for 11 months as a strike breaker. The only really sad thing is that the people that dont know this and will have wasted so much time preparing for an interview that wont deliver what they were promised.

pathetic...
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More lies from what has to be the most morally and ethically corrupt company operating in Australia.

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sounds like union is not doing anything at all 4 u guys, an absolute mess. QF will stumble, be taken to court and things might change, then again, will come up with another way to deceive.

I called H.R they said within 10 days us ass day waiters will be told....yeah right!!!!
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Hi guys............
Went to ass. cntr in syd 3sep04, had my references checked today 11oct04.
What happens now???Anybody with info!!!
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Isnt it illegal or something to falsely advertise a position that is not being offered? Are they really that desperate for more strike breakers that they are attempting to deceive internal staff with hopes of full time permanent employment or secondments just to get their attendance at interviews???
Yes it is. The Trade Practices Act 1974 prohibits it.....

TRADE PRACTICES ACT 1974 - SECT 53B

Misleading conduct in relation to employment

A corporation shall not, in relation to employment that is to be, or may be, offered by the corporation or by another person, engage in conduct that is liable to mislead persons seeking the employment as to the availability, nature, terms or conditions of, or any other matter relating to, the employment.

Speak to the FAAA. Make a statement. Thats the only way things will change.
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Its not just Jet*, Eastern are receiving the same treatment. A lot of crew from Eastern have been contacted to attend the Ass Centre on Saturday. As far as I know they havent got any takers yet but the hide of the HR staff, fully expecting us to give up permanent positions to fly LH on contract for between 1-11 months. Even telling some "this will be your only chance to fly long haul".

Secondments cant be offered to existing crew belonging to Jet* and Qantaslink, the logistics are just too hard, according to HR. However, secondments are being offered to ground staff. A girlfriend who works on the ground has been offered a secondment and this was only a few days ago.

Anyway I do not want to work as a Strike Breaker and according to the girl at HR there is a chance (be it small) that you may not even fly depending on their operational requirements (ie LH striking).
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Hi Guys,

The more and more I read about this the more I am convinced I want nothing to do with the current recruitment. I actually attended the Melbourne Assessment sessions over 6 weeks ago now and have heard nothing back. At the time they said it would be a 2-3 week wait to hear back. The treatment during the recruitment is enough to turn me off. Working for an organisation which is out to lie and take advantage of those who would do anything to achieve a dream is definately one to keep away from. When I attended I dedictaed a day off work to be there and the least I expect in return is a outcome. To those who choose to accept goodluck, I hope it all works out, but always be prepared for the worst, and hope for the best.......

Fingers crossed for all of you...

Cheers

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Sydney ass days have been processed first, it's apparent that nobody has been contacted from Melbourne yet either way. Anyone out there from ass days in Melb heard back with a rejection e-mail? I was informed about ist 2nd and 3rd priority system, so that QF can call up people last minute for training even if they don't really want them.

The amount of rubbish I have personally got from QF is mindblowing, gosh my oresent employer is the best in the whole world, what a petty they don't run airlines.

Re: person that said contact FAAA what for? look at the mess from all of this, and they have done NOTHING
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Recruitment

For a company that prides itself on delivering quality customer service and seeks applicants who will deliver this in the highest standard - im sorry, they are losing a lot of customers.

I too, like many other excited and enthusiastic future flyers gave up a day off work, paid for a responsible service of alcohol and a first aid course, renewed my passport (paid priority to get it in time) all to attend an assessment centre in the hope of progressing to the next stage.

And yes, I knew it was contract, and yes I knew it was for strikebreakers - all did not worry me - what does really being to peeve you off - is the waiting, the 50 000 versions you get and the lack of consistency. Ok - so you want extra staff over chrissy and possible strikebreakers - say that, be up front and have the decency to treat people with some sort of respect. I too, come from a HR and recruitment background, and go help me if i ever treated people like we have been treated. No offence to any of those of you that get through - but i am sorry to say - Qantas wont necessary receive the best flight attendants in this process - only those that are in the right position at the right time to fulfil their dream... It will all about timing.

Having been associated with aviation and the qantas network for sometime and having several current flying friends I am aware of many of the ongoings.. And not all flash.. I will be happy to sit back and see it all out, however have recently been offered another job in a diff industry and am very close to withdrawing my app.. No loss maybe as many to take my position willing - but then again, i wont be surprised if the numbers are not all as it seems.

Qantas would do well to remember that we are not only aspiring flight attendents, we are also your customers.. And what happens when you receive poor customer service - YOU dont return!!
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Qantas staff threaten strike
October 12, 2004 - 4:09PM

A majority of Qantas's international flight attendants do not trust their management and are prepared to strike for better wages and conditions, the Flight Attendants Association of Australia (FAAA) says.

The results of the union's latest Enterprise Bargaining Agreement survey, to which most of the 4,000 members responded, were being compiled.

FAAA divisional secretary of the international division, Michael Mijatov, said 96 per cent of those who took part in the survey had stated they would be prepared to take strike action in December if the upcoming round of EBA negotiations failed.

The current EBA expires on December 17 with negotiations between the union and the company to commence in November.

Mr Mijatov said 87 per cent of members stated they had "minimal or no trust" in the company's management.

He would not give the precise number of responses received but said a "majority of international flight attendants" had taken part.

"It is overwhelming, the largest response we have ever had," he said. "It shows that members are very concerned."

Mr Mijatov said it appeared increasingly likely that members would take strike action in mid-December to push for improved wages and conditions.

"The way it's looking, it's not very good," he said.

Meanwhile, the union will lodge a dispute notification in the Australian Industrial Relations Commission in relation to the company's employment of people under fixed-term contracts.

Mr Mijatov said 170 new fixed-term workers, who were not considered ongoing full-time employees, were being trained by Qantas but had not been guaranteed employment with the company.

"We see that as merely a cynical exercise to use those people as strike breakers if it comes down to an industrial showdown in December," Mr Mijatov said.

"We are asking the commission to rule that the way they are utilising these people is not in accordance with EBA conditions."

He said he expected the matter to be heard in the AIRC within the next fortnight.

Qantas has previously stated the staff were being trained for the busy festive period.

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