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L2P,
I do apologise....you didnt call me a cubicle sitter, i think what you actually said was; "Which floor do you work on, QCC4 or QCC5 ?".
Yeap...that would be it. So, it seems you dont know what you say half the time.
Anyway, it seems like you have your interests in hand, you will stay and work for a company that you say are a "current pack of decieptful, lying hypocrites running this company because at the end of the day, my mortgage needs to be paid."
So, you have you issues, and i have mine. You see, I dont earn anywhere near the money you would because in shorthaul we dont do the long trips getting paid lots of allowance money etc. And goodluck to you guys. Believe it, i have a mortage as well. So i want to make sure i can earn as much as i can just like you do.
So now the company has decided to give us an opportunity to increase the amount of flying we do, with some of the "regional" flying.It is clear that the Airbus seems to be coming in the shorthaul direction since they just moved 40 crew from Eastern/Jetstar, a bunch of Longhaulers and apparently around 11 classes of MAM casuals. Great news for us!
I guess we are all out to look after number 1.
As far as the company goes, do i support the company move to deny 100 of young aussies jobs.No. IF that was your concern. Are you trying to say that all your actions are based on that?? If so you are a very selfless person and a great person. But i suspect not. I suspect that you are looking after your back pocket. Just as i am as well.
Oh, i look forward to your response...ohh...in 48 hrs time that is when the ban on you has been removed!
And Gigs, i just was talking to some MAM casuals who have been offered to apply for permanent fulltime shorthaul. They have their interviews shortly. Start asking around.
I do apologise....you didnt call me a cubicle sitter, i think what you actually said was; "Which floor do you work on, QCC4 or QCC5 ?".
Yeap...that would be it. So, it seems you dont know what you say half the time.
Anyway, it seems like you have your interests in hand, you will stay and work for a company that you say are a "current pack of decieptful, lying hypocrites running this company because at the end of the day, my mortgage needs to be paid."
So, you have you issues, and i have mine. You see, I dont earn anywhere near the money you would because in shorthaul we dont do the long trips getting paid lots of allowance money etc. And goodluck to you guys. Believe it, i have a mortage as well. So i want to make sure i can earn as much as i can just like you do.
So now the company has decided to give us an opportunity to increase the amount of flying we do, with some of the "regional" flying.It is clear that the Airbus seems to be coming in the shorthaul direction since they just moved 40 crew from Eastern/Jetstar, a bunch of Longhaulers and apparently around 11 classes of MAM casuals. Great news for us!
I guess we are all out to look after number 1.
As far as the company goes, do i support the company move to deny 100 of young aussies jobs.No. IF that was your concern. Are you trying to say that all your actions are based on that?? If so you are a very selfless person and a great person. But i suspect not. I suspect that you are looking after your back pocket. Just as i am as well.
Oh, i look forward to your response...ohh...in 48 hrs time that is when the ban on you has been removed!
And Gigs, i just was talking to some MAM casuals who have been offered to apply for permanent fulltime shorthaul. They have their interviews shortly. Start asking around.
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If penis size was inversely proportional to intellect...you would be hung like a donkey.Your last post adds nothing of significance to this forum.
No matter who capitulates, no one wins and the bitter recriminations will continue on for years.Qantas can kiss its aspiration of being best Airline in the world goodbye as no one will be ...surprise and delighting or going the extra mile ever again.In times of delay or expiration of hours crew will walk off!!!
No matter who capitulates, no one wins and the bitter recriminations will continue on for years.Qantas can kiss its aspiration of being best Airline in the world goodbye as no one will be ...surprise and delighting or going the extra mile ever again.In times of delay or expiration of hours crew will walk off!!!
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This thread is still open for two reasons:
1) We at Pprune Towers understand the importance of this subject for you guys and are very happy to give you place to discuss.
2)tightslot has volunteered to put lots of his precious time between flights (that he could be spending with family and pets instead) to give you that opportunity.
We are not going to put up with accusations of unfairness and censorship. Moderators decisions are final.
This thread will be closed until tightslot has recovered from his night flight and can decide if it's worth all the headache he's getting to let it run.
1) We at Pprune Towers understand the importance of this subject for you guys and are very happy to give you place to discuss.
2)tightslot has volunteered to put lots of his precious time between flights (that he could be spending with family and pets instead) to give you that opportunity.
We are not going to put up with accusations of unfairness and censorship. Moderators decisions are final.
This thread will be closed until tightslot has recovered from his night flight and can decide if it's worth all the headache he's getting to let it run.
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Good morning
sima - L2P's threadban was not initiated just to allow you to gloat, and kick him while down: Take a day to learn how it feels and calm down. Threadbanned - 24hrs
chinup - see sima above. Your post is a personal attack that adds nothing to the debate. Threadbanned - 48hrs
surfside6 - You rose to the bait like a marlin! - and then abused another contributor. Threadbanned - 48hrs
If all of you are proposing to deal coherently with a possible threat from a multi billion dollar international corporation such as QF, then I'd suggest that you need to raise the standard of debate from the infantile to the adult.
Now, please can we move on, and get back to the point!
sima - L2P's threadban was not initiated just to allow you to gloat, and kick him while down: Take a day to learn how it feels and calm down. Threadbanned - 24hrs
chinup - see sima above. Your post is a personal attack that adds nothing to the debate. Threadbanned - 48hrs
surfside6 - You rose to the bait like a marlin! - and then abused another contributor. Threadbanned - 48hrs
If all of you are proposing to deal coherently with a possible threat from a multi billion dollar international corporation such as QF, then I'd suggest that you need to raise the standard of debate from the infantile to the adult.
Now, please can we move on, and get back to the point!
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It's on - Qantas vs the unions
By aviation correspondent Pemberton Strong
We told you first folks. It looks like the great showdown of 2004 between Qantas staff and management is now set to happen.
18 October 2004
Qantas' current advertising campaign for its domestic services say there's 'more than a seat' to the business. There certainly is and that is what's upsetting a lot of travelers. The seats are fine. It’s the way Qantas treats passengers into and out of the seats that’s upsetting more and more people.
From the oil price rise levies that have a hint of gouging, to planes delayed, late or cancelled, poor service on the ground, delays at counters, inadequate schedules with services being consolidated at short notice to drive up yields (profits), it's making a bit of a mockery of the Qantas approach to selling itself.
It’s as though the problems are not there.
Then there’s the sour and unhappy staff, no doubt all of whom know of the attempts by the airline to build a strike-breaking force that Crikey has been talking about for more than a month and which finally hit the news today.
Here's our story of September 22. Now Qantas and the Flight attendants union have been told to talk on the issue, as this SMH story says today.
That oil price surcharge drew comments from investment bank, ABN Amro that the price hike was not needed. That naturally challenged the word and wisdom of the airline and chief financial officer Peter Gregg. Here's his defence from Sunday.
All in all tough times for the Roo after its best ever year and the blizzard of reports from the board and CEO Geoff Dixon on the uneveness of playing fields here and overseas.
Of course, no word from chairman 'Dame' Margaret Jackson and CEO Geoff Dixon on attempts to tilt the playing field against its flight attendants ahead of a long-mooted contract brawl later this year.
But with the annual meeting in Brisbane on Thursday the relationship between management and its unions has obviously got the board and chairman alert and alarmed as you can see from this story.
The unions and those stroppy employees are obviously not playing by the rules, the rules the board set. How dare they! And remember the 'Dame' is part of the Business Council of Australia set that wants to see fewer and more restrictive annual meetings.
The 'mushroom club' is headed by Hugh Morgan, the BCA President. Again remember his time at WMC when shareholders were deprived of the chance to vote or consider an 'offer' of more than $10 a share from Alcoa of the US.
Hugh and the 'Dame' obviously don't trust shareholders, especially those stroppy trade unionists, or those better performing industry funds that take corporate governance and shareholder rights very seriously, unlike many of the bigger private enterprise groups.
Union plans for a campaign of planned sickies and other passive resistance were revealed in the Murdoch press last week, drawing a tough-minded response from Roo management as you can see here.
But the court action today, while outlining the plans by Qantas to react to any breakdown of the EBA later this year, has not highlighted the intransigence of Dixon and his management to the union worries about the new London base.
With no agreement so far between Qantas and the Australian Services Union, negotiations for EBA VII have come to a grinding halt. Qantas have given nothing other than maternity/paternity leave which is only legislation anyway so it doesn't cost Qantas anything.
With the AGM due in Brisbane on October 21, it will be interesting to see what shareholders think of the board members, and executives wanting to have the resolution passed that will see them receive higher pay and news bonuses and incentives (especially Dixon and Gregg). The proposed increase in maximum fees for non-executive directors from $1.5 million to $2.5 million looks excessive in the current circumstances and some institutions have indicated they will be voting against it.
On the other hand, the board and management have told staff that 3% pay rise is all they can afford in these troubled times of the airlines. But the company still continues to grow and expand and spend. It will be interesting to see what "Qantas ASU staff" will do if the resolution is passed, and the EBA is still not settled.
So, many questions remain unanswered. Reports from inside the airline say staff feel forgotten and unappreciated by management.
There's some saying the they feel that the spirit of Qantas has abandoned them, even though they are expected to deliver the best in
customer service at all levels at all times.
The treatment of staff by senior management is hypocritical and the opposite to what they expect from their staff. Money has now become a big issue.
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It's on - Qantas vs the unions
By aviation correspondent Pemberton Strong
We told you first folks. It looks like the great showdown of 2004 between Qantas staff and management is now set to happen.
18 October 2004
Qantas' current advertising campaign for its domestic services say there's 'more than a seat' to the business. There certainly is and that is what's upsetting a lot of travelers. The seats are fine. It’s the way Qantas treats passengers into and out of the seats that’s upsetting more and more people.
From the oil price rise levies that have a hint of gouging, to planes delayed, late or cancelled, poor service on the ground, delays at counters, inadequate schedules with services being consolidated at short notice to drive up yields (profits), it's making a bit of a mockery of the Qantas approach to selling itself.
It’s as though the problems are not there.
Then there’s the sour and unhappy staff, no doubt all of whom know of the attempts by the airline to build a strike-breaking force that Crikey has been talking about for more than a month and which finally hit the news today.
Here's our story of September 22. Now Qantas and the Flight attendants union have been told to talk on the issue, as this SMH story says today.
That oil price surcharge drew comments from investment bank, ABN Amro that the price hike was not needed. That naturally challenged the word and wisdom of the airline and chief financial officer Peter Gregg. Here's his defence from Sunday.
All in all tough times for the Roo after its best ever year and the blizzard of reports from the board and CEO Geoff Dixon on the uneveness of playing fields here and overseas.
Of course, no word from chairman 'Dame' Margaret Jackson and CEO Geoff Dixon on attempts to tilt the playing field against its flight attendants ahead of a long-mooted contract brawl later this year.
But with the annual meeting in Brisbane on Thursday the relationship between management and its unions has obviously got the board and chairman alert and alarmed as you can see from this story.
The unions and those stroppy employees are obviously not playing by the rules, the rules the board set. How dare they! And remember the 'Dame' is part of the Business Council of Australia set that wants to see fewer and more restrictive annual meetings.
The 'mushroom club' is headed by Hugh Morgan, the BCA President. Again remember his time at WMC when shareholders were deprived of the chance to vote or consider an 'offer' of more than $10 a share from Alcoa of the US.
Hugh and the 'Dame' obviously don't trust shareholders, especially those stroppy trade unionists, or those better performing industry funds that take corporate governance and shareholder rights very seriously, unlike many of the bigger private enterprise groups.
Union plans for a campaign of planned sickies and other passive resistance were revealed in the Murdoch press last week, drawing a tough-minded response from Roo management as you can see here.
But the court action today, while outlining the plans by Qantas to react to any breakdown of the EBA later this year, has not highlighted the intransigence of Dixon and his management to the union worries about the new London base.
With no agreement so far between Qantas and the Australian Services Union, negotiations for EBA VII have come to a grinding halt. Qantas have given nothing other than maternity/paternity leave which is only legislation anyway so it doesn't cost Qantas anything.
With the AGM due in Brisbane on October 21, it will be interesting to see what shareholders think of the board members, and executives wanting to have the resolution passed that will see them receive higher pay and news bonuses and incentives (especially Dixon and Gregg). The proposed increase in maximum fees for non-executive directors from $1.5 million to $2.5 million looks excessive in the current circumstances and some institutions have indicated they will be voting against it.
On the other hand, the board and management have told staff that 3% pay rise is all they can afford in these troubled times of the airlines. But the company still continues to grow and expand and spend. It will be interesting to see what "Qantas ASU staff" will do if the resolution is passed, and the EBA is still not settled.
So, many questions remain unanswered. Reports from inside the airline say staff feel forgotten and unappreciated by management.
There's some saying the they feel that the spirit of Qantas has abandoned them, even though they are expected to deliver the best in
customer service at all levels at all times.
The treatment of staff by senior management is hypocritical and the opposite to what they expect from their staff. Money has now become a big issue.
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West Coast girl or Luck FA Girl.
You got the best job after the collapse Qantas kindly offered priority to ex Ansett and you got it Qantas long hall full time. You are a new employee who bags the work offered by Qantas and bag the FAAA so I guess your not pro anything maybe you should have applied to MAM after the collapse and you could have gotten a Sydney base with casual conditions.
When do you think Qantas will ever offer full time long hall again?
Good on-yah!
West Coast girl or Luck FA Girl.
When do you think Qantas will ever offer full time long hall again?
Good on-yah!
West Coast girl or Luck FA Girl.
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This makes interesting reading!
From the Australian
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E1702,00.html
Probe on Qantas training program
October 20, 2004
THE Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) is investigating claims Qantas staff were being hurriedly trained, as one union accused the airline of preparing a strike-busting workforce.
The airline had assured the CASA there were no problems with the adequacy of training being given, CASA spokesman Peter Gibson said today.
The Flight Attendants Association of Australia said the three-month contract crews would be used as strike-breakers as 4000 long-haul staff threaten industrial action over Christmas.
More than 300 flight attendants were being employed on short-term contracts ahead of the opening of Qantas' new London base next year, the union said.
In a leaked e-mail to the airline's head of flight operations training, Captain David Coates, Qantas's emergency procedure instructor Robert Ford said he was seriously concerned at the way the contingency students were being bulldozed through training.
But Mr Gibson today said there was no evidence students were being rushed through.
"Certainly we've got no evidence to date that students were being bulldozed through," he told ABC radio.
"In fact we asked that very question of Qantas only this week and they told us there'd been a number of failures, as you would expect, of students who didn't meet the standards and therefore have not been accepted.
"That gave us some satisfaction that the course is being run properly.
"But of course now that specific claims are being made, we'll go back and test them.
"We'll go back and ask Qantas to provide us evidence of exactly how the courses are being run."
Qantas executive general manager John Borghetti rejected the union's claim it was training a strike-breaking workforce in London.
"Obviously it's disappointing that an internal document has been leaked but one shouldn't read too much into this because at Qantas we have always encouraged strong debate," he said.
"All the issues that were raised in that email – and the majority of them relate to rostering, of course – have been fully investigated and fully complied with the requirements."
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God CASA is a joke. You would think that they would want to check the training before its approved would you not
From the Australian
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E1702,00.html
Probe on Qantas training program
October 20, 2004
THE Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) is investigating claims Qantas staff were being hurriedly trained, as one union accused the airline of preparing a strike-busting workforce.
The airline had assured the CASA there were no problems with the adequacy of training being given, CASA spokesman Peter Gibson said today.
The Flight Attendants Association of Australia said the three-month contract crews would be used as strike-breakers as 4000 long-haul staff threaten industrial action over Christmas.
More than 300 flight attendants were being employed on short-term contracts ahead of the opening of Qantas' new London base next year, the union said.
In a leaked e-mail to the airline's head of flight operations training, Captain David Coates, Qantas's emergency procedure instructor Robert Ford said he was seriously concerned at the way the contingency students were being bulldozed through training.
But Mr Gibson today said there was no evidence students were being rushed through.
"Certainly we've got no evidence to date that students were being bulldozed through," he told ABC radio.
"In fact we asked that very question of Qantas only this week and they told us there'd been a number of failures, as you would expect, of students who didn't meet the standards and therefore have not been accepted.
"That gave us some satisfaction that the course is being run properly.
"But of course now that specific claims are being made, we'll go back and test them.
"We'll go back and ask Qantas to provide us evidence of exactly how the courses are being run."
Qantas executive general manager John Borghetti rejected the union's claim it was training a strike-breaking workforce in London.
"Obviously it's disappointing that an internal document has been leaked but one shouldn't read too much into this because at Qantas we have always encouraged strong debate," he said.
"All the issues that were raised in that email – and the majority of them relate to rostering, of course – have been fully investigated and fully complied with the requirements."
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God CASA is a joke. You would think that they would want to check the training before its approved would you not
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This information a cut and paste from the International FAAA-
Please do not reply to this email. Send all correspondence to [email protected]
October 20, 2004
Attention: All Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
A DREAM SHATTERED
Reprinted below is a letter received by the FAAA from a fixed term flight attendant that needs no further comment.
I would like to become a member of the FAAA after my colleagues and I from one the Qantas Flight Attendant training classes attended a meeting with you.
It has been a long time dream of mine to become a flight attendant and what an honour it was at the beginning to be accepted for training into Qantas, the leading airline in the world. But my thoughts have changed and frankly I am scared of the unknown situation that has presented itself to me.
I was given a contract for a three months fixed term for training under the proviso that I not have any other employment during this time. Three months isn't long but I thought ok – I've got my foot in the door and there may be a chance of maybe getting a full time position if I pass all the training. But at that stage, I was unaware of what Qantas' intentions were.
Therefore I agreed, I was in a group of wonderful people. We all trained so hard, as this was our dream and we wanted it so badly even with training at ridiculous hours.
During our time of training, there were lots of rumours, for instance that we were only being trained just in case of a strike from the full time flight attendants. We were given instructions about confidentiality and not to give any information to anyone about what we are being trained for. Our EP instructors were excellent teachers but they had no information for us – there were also rumours that we could be offered full time positions in London but whoever we asked we hit a brick wall and no one could tell us anything of what was going on.
To tell you the truth, “the xxxx hit the fan” on our last day of training. All the ones in our group that had passed the training exams were so excited to learn that we were now going to get fitted for our Qantas International Uniforms. To our disgust we were fitted with King Gee pants and a polo top. We wondered why they were treating us differently after all the intense physically draining intense training we had just completed and passed. We thought that the Qantas image was professional and corporate and something to be proud to wear but what we were fitted for was of a very poor dress standard.
Then a few of us were given contracts again – stating that we were not guaranteed fixed term – three months. And would be given four weeks notice of termination. People in my group were so mad, some of us giving up full time positions for a chance to become a Qantas International Flight Attendant.
I am totally and utterly disgusted in how Qantas is treating us – they don't seem to want us to become first class flight attendants – they just want us as back-up if the strike goes ahead. This is shattering news as we are after full time positions not just for a week or two and then left out in the cold with no job and no security
What really made me scared – if there is a strike we were told that we would not be flying with professional flight attendants? We “strike-breakers” would fly together and how dangerous does that sound. We were told that we could be working in all areas – first class, business and economy. Personally if I were a passenger who paid for a first class ticket I would expect first class service, not a person who has minimal training of only eleven days. I passed the crash course but I would have been happy to train for longer as to benefit the service and safety of the passengers I would be entrusted to serve. Experience is gained from working with other more experienced people and not literally chucked in at the deep end as they were implying we would be doing.
Our training group is scared that we are becoming the meat in the sandwich of this whole affair. What is going to happen to us? We want to become flight attendants and no one will answer our questions! The most information we received was only on our last day of training and it only feels like the only people we can trust is the FAAA and ourselves.
Therefore please find the following completed application forms for my membership with the Flight Attendant Association Australia .
Yours sincerely,
xxxx xxxx
This newsletter was written and authorised by
Michael Mijatov, Divisional Secretary - International
-------------------------------------------------------------
It seems that {some?} QFs Bangkok based flight attendants are being given 2 day courses entitled , "How To Be A CSM In Three Easy Steps".
The last I heard this training was 5 Weeks, intensive and MERIT based.
It'll be interesting to see how many Captains are prepared to operate in this environment.
Safety????????????
The people running Qantas clearly couldnt give a rats.
L2P "S.T.R."
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October 20, 2004
Attention: All Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
A DREAM SHATTERED
Reprinted below is a letter received by the FAAA from a fixed term flight attendant that needs no further comment.
I would like to become a member of the FAAA after my colleagues and I from one the Qantas Flight Attendant training classes attended a meeting with you.
It has been a long time dream of mine to become a flight attendant and what an honour it was at the beginning to be accepted for training into Qantas, the leading airline in the world. But my thoughts have changed and frankly I am scared of the unknown situation that has presented itself to me.
I was given a contract for a three months fixed term for training under the proviso that I not have any other employment during this time. Three months isn't long but I thought ok – I've got my foot in the door and there may be a chance of maybe getting a full time position if I pass all the training. But at that stage, I was unaware of what Qantas' intentions were.
Therefore I agreed, I was in a group of wonderful people. We all trained so hard, as this was our dream and we wanted it so badly even with training at ridiculous hours.
During our time of training, there were lots of rumours, for instance that we were only being trained just in case of a strike from the full time flight attendants. We were given instructions about confidentiality and not to give any information to anyone about what we are being trained for. Our EP instructors were excellent teachers but they had no information for us – there were also rumours that we could be offered full time positions in London but whoever we asked we hit a brick wall and no one could tell us anything of what was going on.
To tell you the truth, “the xxxx hit the fan” on our last day of training. All the ones in our group that had passed the training exams were so excited to learn that we were now going to get fitted for our Qantas International Uniforms. To our disgust we were fitted with King Gee pants and a polo top. We wondered why they were treating us differently after all the intense physically draining intense training we had just completed and passed. We thought that the Qantas image was professional and corporate and something to be proud to wear but what we were fitted for was of a very poor dress standard.
Then a few of us were given contracts again – stating that we were not guaranteed fixed term – three months. And would be given four weeks notice of termination. People in my group were so mad, some of us giving up full time positions for a chance to become a Qantas International Flight Attendant.
I am totally and utterly disgusted in how Qantas is treating us – they don't seem to want us to become first class flight attendants – they just want us as back-up if the strike goes ahead. This is shattering news as we are after full time positions not just for a week or two and then left out in the cold with no job and no security
What really made me scared – if there is a strike we were told that we would not be flying with professional flight attendants? We “strike-breakers” would fly together and how dangerous does that sound. We were told that we could be working in all areas – first class, business and economy. Personally if I were a passenger who paid for a first class ticket I would expect first class service, not a person who has minimal training of only eleven days. I passed the crash course but I would have been happy to train for longer as to benefit the service and safety of the passengers I would be entrusted to serve. Experience is gained from working with other more experienced people and not literally chucked in at the deep end as they were implying we would be doing.
Our training group is scared that we are becoming the meat in the sandwich of this whole affair. What is going to happen to us? We want to become flight attendants and no one will answer our questions! The most information we received was only on our last day of training and it only feels like the only people we can trust is the FAAA and ourselves.
Therefore please find the following completed application forms for my membership with the Flight Attendant Association Australia .
Yours sincerely,
xxxx xxxx
This newsletter was written and authorised by
Michael Mijatov, Divisional Secretary - International
-------------------------------------------------------------
It seems that {some?} QFs Bangkok based flight attendants are being given 2 day courses entitled , "How To Be A CSM In Three Easy Steps".
The last I heard this training was 5 Weeks, intensive and MERIT based.
It'll be interesting to see how many Captains are prepared to operate in this environment.
Safety????????????
The people running Qantas clearly couldnt give a rats.
L2P "S.T.R."
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AN AUSTRALIAN DREAM SHATTERED
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AN AUSTRALIAN DREAM SHATTERED
As crew would be aware we are getting very good media coverage of our continuing dispute with Qantas.
We have become aware that the ABC program “7.30 Report” will do a feature story on Thursday 21 October on our issues.
If you are at home you may wish to watch this program.
AN AUSTRALIAN DREAM SHATTERED
As crew would be aware we are getting very good media coverage of our continuing dispute with Qantas.
We have become aware that the ABC program “7.30 Report” will do a feature story on Thursday 21 October on our issues.
If you are at home you may wish to watch this program.
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A DREAM SHATTERED
That letter pretty much sums up my & my classmate feelings & experiances on the issue, its like that person read my mind.
I know alot of fixed termers out there are feeling really down & upset about the decision or should i say mistake they made in taking up that contract, they weren't fully aware what was going on, I had a fair idea but didn't realise things were going to be this bad, but like the person in the letter said this is my dream and it has been for about 6 years and i thought it would be an opportunity to do it for at least 3 months after that i knew i would be shown the door but i was willing to give up my full time job to do that, thats how much i wanted it. I'm actually embarrassed to tell people i've gone thru the training because i know what they are thinking.
Anyway thats my 2 cents................
I know alot of fixed termers out there are feeling really down & upset about the decision or should i say mistake they made in taking up that contract, they weren't fully aware what was going on, I had a fair idea but didn't realise things were going to be this bad, but like the person in the letter said this is my dream and it has been for about 6 years and i thought it would be an opportunity to do it for at least 3 months after that i knew i would be shown the door but i was willing to give up my full time job to do that, thats how much i wanted it. I'm actually embarrassed to tell people i've gone thru the training because i know what they are thinking.
Anyway thats my 2 cents................
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They were fitted for King Gee Pants and Polo tops on their last day of training? Maybe this was just to get sizes etc as they were only fitted, it makes sense not to supply these crew with the whole uniform package if they never actually fly or may not be needed. Surely not even QF would send these people off to L.A. or Singapore etc dressed in King Gees and Polo tops, would they?
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Galleyhag,
They were fitted with a different uniform so as not to be easy identifiable by existing crew.
Was told that by a friend who works in QCC. They were part of the interview process. Was also told that the recruits on 3 months contracts will have NO chance of being made permanent by Qantas EVER.
Apparently QF are scared of animosity should permanent crew become aware they are working with someone who was once a strike breaker.
They were fitted with a different uniform so as not to be easy identifiable by existing crew.
Was told that by a friend who works in QCC. They were part of the interview process. Was also told that the recruits on 3 months contracts will have NO chance of being made permanent by Qantas EVER.
Apparently QF are scared of animosity should permanent crew become aware they are working with someone who was once a strike breaker.
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All quiet on the eastern front well i just have to say John Howard sums up what the government industrial relations policies shall be."I undestand Qantas has to keep the airline runing over peek peroids"This to me seems slave labour,dodgey conditions,and,anything goes at the cost of the average punter is aok to" keep things going"almost more animal farm than he would care to think.Looks like well all have to get poorer while well you know.
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Of course Dixon is going to keep the airline running at any cost. He has a job to do, if he doesn't do it then he has to answer to the board who are going to be pissed off so he is going to do whatever he has to do to keep the aircraft flying.
Now as F/A's, if you feel you are being ripped off then i guess you have a job to do as well. Horses for courses.
You dont have to like the guy or what he is doing but surely you understand that he is there to keep the board and shareholders happy - apparently at any cost.
Just a pity he forgets that his staff that earn him and this company loads of money are shareholders as well.
Now as F/A's, if you feel you are being ripped off then i guess you have a job to do as well. Horses for courses.
You dont have to like the guy or what he is doing but surely you understand that he is there to keep the board and shareholders happy - apparently at any cost.
Just a pity he forgets that his staff that earn him and this company loads of money are shareholders as well.
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They stated on the 7.30 report last night that QF intends to train between 500 and 1000 "strikebreakers" a bit over the top I think BUT my question being can they? Is there a cap on the number of fixed term crew that can be employed under the long haul EBA?
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contractors
having done now two trips with contractors one can tell they have substandard service training. gives a new meaning to on the job training. nice guys dont get me wrong and we look after them as qf once again relies on crew to fix things. but essentially qf management doesnt give a toss anymore about quality of training f/a receive they put out online
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How funny at Howard's comment about the airlines being an essential service........
With there being no real subsitutue for essential services like electricity or gas (apart from candels!), I fail to see how airlines "qualify" as an essential service given the option you can take a bus, car, train for deomestic travel or ship for international travel......doesn't seem that essential to me!
So what next telephones, microwaves, hair dryers will become essential services / appliances!
No real relevant point here other than I think his comment was hilarious........
Have a great weekend all
Raver
With there being no real subsitutue for essential services like electricity or gas (apart from candels!), I fail to see how airlines "qualify" as an essential service given the option you can take a bus, car, train for deomestic travel or ship for international travel......doesn't seem that essential to me!
So what next telephones, microwaves, hair dryers will become essential services / appliances!
No real relevant point here other than I think his comment was hilarious........
Have a great weekend all
Raver