Will Qf Hire From Short List
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Shortlisters!!
So guys ....less then 3 weeks to go and counting !! rumers with us maybe getting the call for long haul..Then long haul helping short haul..Short haul desperate for staff !! Gosh what do you belive !!! SO ARE WE GOING TO GET THE CALL ??? That is the 1 million dollar question?? Its like a rollercoster ride..some days you get positive info others not so positive and yet you still know as much as you knew before !! NOTHING !! Well fellow shortlisters I do hope for our sanatiy after all the extensions and rumers that we hear somthing soon!!! Or do we et the letter in the mail "thanks but no Thanks" Whats everybody thinking ! We havent had a post from Mr Seatback 2 ?? were is everybody !!
chats soon and hope to hear from you all sooner rather then later !! STAY POSITIVE !! focus on getting the call !! !mmmmmmmmmmm
chats soon and hope to hear from you all sooner rather then later !! STAY POSITIVE !! focus on getting the call !! !mmmmmmmmmmm
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Have spoken with one of my colleagues who was recruited as part of the Language Speaker recruitment just before ours...
Was given a "thanks but no thanks" letter along with other language speakers, because they were on the shortlist for too long (according to him). QF apparently are keeping them on file for future recruitment, but are unable to apply for the upcoming recruitment in the next few weeks until their 6 month waiting period expires, allowing them to reapply.
Looking at us, it would seem we may just get in by the skin of our teeth given the time on the shortlist. However, we must remember that QF spent a great deal of money on this recruitment, given many aspects were outsourced (1st stage phone interviews, staffcv records, etc).
I'm continually hearing rumours that training schools from July-August onwards.
Fingers crossed all works out! Don't stress guys...what will be, will be.
Was given a "thanks but no thanks" letter along with other language speakers, because they were on the shortlist for too long (according to him). QF apparently are keeping them on file for future recruitment, but are unable to apply for the upcoming recruitment in the next few weeks until their 6 month waiting period expires, allowing them to reapply.
Looking at us, it would seem we may just get in by the skin of our teeth given the time on the shortlist. However, we must remember that QF spent a great deal of money on this recruitment, given many aspects were outsourced (1st stage phone interviews, staffcv records, etc).
I'm continually hearing rumours that training schools from July-August onwards.
Fingers crossed all works out! Don't stress guys...what will be, will be.
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Anyone know when this upcoming recruitment drive might be?
I've heard July. Does anyone have anymore info on this?
I wonder if QF will update their FA recruitment website page for the next recruitment drive? They might put in new requirements etc for their new destinations.
Hang in there everyone. We'll all get our turn soon.
I've heard July. Does anyone have anymore info on this?
I wonder if QF will update their FA recruitment website page for the next recruitment drive? They might put in new requirements etc for their new destinations.
Hang in there everyone. We'll all get our turn soon.
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Good luck to you all. You are very patient people and Im sure good things come to those who wait. ( Its true, I can admitt to that). From what I can see, I think they are just taking their time and In doing so they are forgetting all the "shortlisters" who are awaiting anxiously. Remmember at the end of the day it all comes down to HR and what is cost effective regarding recruitment..
Hope it all works out..
Goodluck.
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Hope it all works out..
Goodluck.
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If there are vacancies in Perth, they will be filled locally... QF has had a lot of trouble with people from over here in SYD being recruited for the Perth base, then wanting to transfer out as soon as they get there (and getting rather grumpy when the transfers take so long!!)
From what I have been told, they will only look at hiring locals in the Perth and Melb bases from now on, so as they will want to stay there.
People from states where there are no bases, they will try and put closest to their home state.
I have heard that there will shortly be some more MAM casuals employed, in all bases.
Oh and as a foot-note, the rumoured 30+ transfers from Perth is just that - a rumour ..... it hasnt happened. But I believe they are still short staffed.
From what I have been told, they will only look at hiring locals in the Perth and Melb bases from now on, so as they will want to stay there.
People from states where there are no bases, they will try and put closest to their home state.
I have heard that there will shortly be some more MAM casuals employed, in all bases.
Oh and as a foot-note, the rumoured 30+ transfers from Perth is just that - a rumour ..... it hasnt happened. But I believe they are still short staffed.
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Re NEW HIRE !!
Hi Q-Tee... Reading your thread. "there will be further MAM schools in all bases.. So do you think that QF HR have decided to go the contract way and not have any permanent positions. We have 12 working days !! I think if we would have ben thrown of the short list we would have received a letter by now. I am sure HR QF already know what they will do with us shortlisters!! Lets hope they do a good thing !! Mr Seatback 2 ..Your friend that was interviewed before us.. Was he an external applicant or a external one. Its stange hoe they can say we will KEEP YOU ON FILE but you cant apply for 6 months??? Amazing isnt it!!
I keep hearing positive info re new schools planned as well for Jul-Aug ... Fingers crossed. I thought early on the threads we thought that we might need to do medicals and security checks again !! I would have thought they would have told us something.. Unless they will tell us in the next couple of weeks and drag it on for another 6 weeks after that?? Any thoughts??
Its getting interesting !!!!
I keep hearing positive info re new schools planned as well for Jul-Aug ... Fingers crossed. I thought early on the threads we thought that we might need to do medicals and security checks again !! I would have thought they would have told us something.. Unless they will tell us in the next couple of weeks and drag it on for another 6 weeks after that?? Any thoughts??
Its getting interesting !!!!
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The QF Cabin Crew website says that there is no recruitment planned for 2003/4 financial year. However it does say that they are anticipating recruitment shortly after that, however not necessarily for permanent full time positions.
If you can "read between the lines" I believe that says that they will only be employing FAs on contracts and casuals.
It is quite possible that all (cabin crew) employees will now have to be employed on a contract first before they are made permanent, or given a kiss goodbye. It makes much better business sense to do that, to try before you buy.
Anyway I wish all the shortlisters the best of luck and I hope you all hear some positive news soon.
SG
If you can "read between the lines" I believe that says that they will only be employing FAs on contracts and casuals.
It is quite possible that all (cabin crew) employees will now have to be employed on a contract first before they are made permanent, or given a kiss goodbye. It makes much better business sense to do that, to try before you buy.
Anyway I wish all the shortlisters the best of luck and I hope you all hear some positive news soon.
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Hi guys!!!!!
I am too on the shortlist until the 28th of May, but i am also a casual MAM Flight Attendant based out of Perth and it is fantastic!!!! Fair enough we don't get things like staff travel, but there are so many other benefits, in no way are you separated because you're MAM. I know in Perth all Managers and crew treat everyone equally, full-time long haul crew are the same as casual short haul crew etc and that makes for a comfortable working environment! All i can say guys is, don't all get your hopes up for permanent LH positions, just keep an open mind and be willing to take whatever is thrown your way (if it is viable) There are 10 SH casuals in Perth and we are all on rosters for this month barr a couple who chose not to be for other committments etc which is fine, but the workload is expected to continue into future months. Don't think, if you're casual your going to have to work 5 other jobs, you obviously do have to have in the back of your mind that there will be quiet months and you just adapt to that appropriately. Just remember because i got caught up in all of this, just about everything on here is RUMOUR, don't believe any of it until you see it. I wouldn't believe i had the job until i was standing there in the uniform and the contract was signed etc! but each to their own.
Good luck to all shortlisters, i hope it all works out for everyone at the end of the month. If everyone gets offered full-time L/H positions fantastic well done, and if everyone get's offered casual/contract S/H positions fantastic well done.
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I am too on the shortlist until the 28th of May, but i am also a casual MAM Flight Attendant based out of Perth and it is fantastic!!!! Fair enough we don't get things like staff travel, but there are so many other benefits, in no way are you separated because you're MAM. I know in Perth all Managers and crew treat everyone equally, full-time long haul crew are the same as casual short haul crew etc and that makes for a comfortable working environment! All i can say guys is, don't all get your hopes up for permanent LH positions, just keep an open mind and be willing to take whatever is thrown your way (if it is viable) There are 10 SH casuals in Perth and we are all on rosters for this month barr a couple who chose not to be for other committments etc which is fine, but the workload is expected to continue into future months. Don't think, if you're casual your going to have to work 5 other jobs, you obviously do have to have in the back of your mind that there will be quiet months and you just adapt to that appropriately. Just remember because i got caught up in all of this, just about everything on here is RUMOUR, don't believe any of it until you see it. I wouldn't believe i had the job until i was standing there in the uniform and the contract was signed etc! but each to their own.
Good luck to all shortlisters, i hope it all works out for everyone at the end of the month. If everyone gets offered full-time L/H positions fantastic well done, and if everyone get's offered casual/contract S/H positions fantastic well done.
Oz
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So you applied to QF like everyone else and QF passed your information onto MAM and you secured a casual position Perth base and you still remain on the QF shortlist until 28 May?
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Yes 2 weeks left!!
Marsha !! RE "For those of us who applied via blue notice, I would say there would be too many legalities involved if they decide to scrap the short list and start recruiting again June/July. For externals, also told they have a position when one becomes available." I have to say I have been told by a friend who is on the short list who also applied via a blue notice..That they investigated this with the union and was advised they WILL not be able to drop the waitlist and recomce recrutmant in Jun/Jul !! They will have a lot of LEGAL issued with this. So I guess that makes me feel better !! I have been told again as mentioned this si a RUMER page but were there is smoke there is fire that we will all be fine on the short list. As there is not many of us that in the new financial year all will be advised !! I am sitting on the edge of my seat for some any type of contact!! I do have to ask OZcabincrew !! How can you be on the shortlist still but work as a MAM !! I was under the impression once you take the MAM position that you cant be on the shortlist!! I cant remember but early on the threads there was mention that we might have to get a security check and medical again .. Can anyone confirm this ..If this is the case they might advise us soon to start movement on the whole process!! I was told by a very reliable source as well just the other day that there is a VERY SMALL amount of shortlisters that are on the shortlist !Mostly all internal at this stage !! AMAZING !!! lets keep smiling !
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Hi Guys!!!!
I had absolutely nothing to do with MAM whatsoever until the job offer was there. I went through the whole QF recruitment process (never applied to MAM) until i got a call (coming up to a year on the shortlist) from Qantas HR asking that if there were casual MAM positions to be available in Perth, would i be interested in taking it? Of course i said yes, because i was willing to take anything. This also applies to the 9 other MAM casuals based in Perth. Infact one of the girls asked the HR person at the time if we still remained on the shortlist for QF and the reply was 'yes'. Then during EP/service training in Melbourne, we all received and email saying that our positions on the shortlist had been extended until the 28th of May this year, so.......
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I had absolutely nothing to do with MAM whatsoever until the job offer was there. I went through the whole QF recruitment process (never applied to MAM) until i got a call (coming up to a year on the shortlist) from Qantas HR asking that if there were casual MAM positions to be available in Perth, would i be interested in taking it? Of course i said yes, because i was willing to take anything. This also applies to the 9 other MAM casuals based in Perth. Infact one of the girls asked the HR person at the time if we still remained on the shortlist for QF and the reply was 'yes'. Then during EP/service training in Melbourne, we all received and email saying that our positions on the shortlist had been extended until the 28th of May this year, so.......
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Thanks for the info Ozcabincrew. You are in a great position, very lucky.
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You will have to do security again (well maybe not you personally as you are internal and you should have done the new security clearance). But externals that applied over a year ago will have to for sure and this is currently taking 6-8 weeks to process.
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You will have to do security again (well maybe not you personally as you are internal and you should have done the new security clearance). But externals that applied over a year ago will have to for sure and this is currently taking 6-8 weeks to process.
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OZcabin crew thanks for that info !! I am glad your happy and doing what you love !! I hope we all get a chance at it as well !!
GalleyHag thanks for that info ! I would assume if they did the security checks again would they have to get everybody to complete new forms ! Or would QF be able to resue the old ones!! I guess if it is going to take that long to get security cheks even if they start nowe it would be close to the end of June or mid July before they get clearance ! mmm Sounds interesting !! It will be interesting to find out what is going on !! I guess time will tell as we get closer to the 28th !! It would be interesting when QF start to advertise for NEW CABIN CREW !! Mr Seatback 2 how have you been ?? You havent heard any goss latley ! I have to say you have been keeping quiet !! Take care until next I read the posts !! Hope to hear if Marsha had any more news..specialy re the blue notice position !! Maybe you can PM me marsha !! We ALL NEED TO STICK TOGETHER Ciao!!!
GalleyHag thanks for that info ! I would assume if they did the security checks again would they have to get everybody to complete new forms ! Or would QF be able to resue the old ones!! I guess if it is going to take that long to get security cheks even if they start nowe it would be close to the end of June or mid July before they get clearance ! mmm Sounds interesting !! It will be interesting to find out what is going on !! I guess time will tell as we get closer to the 28th !! It would be interesting when QF start to advertise for NEW CABIN CREW !! Mr Seatback 2 how have you been ?? You havent heard any goss latley ! I have to say you have been keeping quiet !! Take care until next I read the posts !! Hope to hear if Marsha had any more news..specialy re the blue notice position !! Maybe you can PM me marsha !! We ALL NEED TO STICK TOGETHER Ciao!!!
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Sorry QANTASIC
QF is very conscious of legalities
neither internals or externals on the waitlist have been told 'they have a position once one becomes available' .... QF recruitment would never be that definite, not without a following clause along the lines of ' however if you are not called within xxx months, you will have to reapply.... ".
They never promise anything, and that is the smart legal strategy .... trust me - anyone who tells you they have some sort of legal claim against QF for not recruiting from the shortlist is seriously deluding themselves .... it has all been tried before, many,many, many times !!!
Sorry to burst a bubble, but also .... you think if anyone launches some legal claim against a large airline they would make it through training school without QF finding a reason for them to be fired??? methinks not .... it aint that hard
QF is very conscious of legalities
neither internals or externals on the waitlist have been told 'they have a position once one becomes available' .... QF recruitment would never be that definite, not without a following clause along the lines of ' however if you are not called within xxx months, you will have to reapply.... ".
They never promise anything, and that is the smart legal strategy .... trust me - anyone who tells you they have some sort of legal claim against QF for not recruiting from the shortlist is seriously deluding themselves .... it has all been tried before, many,many, many times !!!
Sorry to burst a bubble, but also .... you think if anyone launches some legal claim against a large airline they would make it through training school without QF finding a reason for them to be fired??? methinks not .... it aint that hard
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YES there are new forms which need to be completed and they are sent to the relevant agencies including ASIO before the new ASIC is issued. As a QF employee you would be aware of this right? All current ASIC cards expire on 30/6/04 and all staff were supplied with the new forms and it is currently taking 6-8 weeks before clearance is given and the new card is issued.
Therefore as an external applicant they will be issued with the new forms than they will have to wait before clearance is given and they can pick up their ASIC that is of course if they are offered a position.
YES there are new forms which need to be completed and they are sent to the relevant agencies including ASIO before the new ASIC is issued. As a QF employee you would be aware of this right? All current ASIC cards expire on 30/6/04 and all staff were supplied with the new forms and it is currently taking 6-8 weeks before clearance is given and the new card is issued.
Therefore as an external applicant they will be issued with the new forms than they will have to wait before clearance is given and they can pick up their ASIC that is of course if they are offered a position.
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Qantastic...
I believe you (or your friend) are referring to s.53B Trade Practices Act which relates to misleading conduct in relation to employment.
Basically, a company cannot engage in practices that may mislead a person as to the availability of employment (there's a bit more involved, but for this post this is the relevant bit).
QF have only indicated that opportunities exist to register your interest in a position with QF. They haven't actually indicated that positions are available.
I have to agree with Q-Tee on this one, I doubt whether this claim would have any legs in front of a Tribunal.
But see where you are coming from....
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I believe you (or your friend) are referring to s.53B Trade Practices Act which relates to misleading conduct in relation to employment.
Basically, a company cannot engage in practices that may mislead a person as to the availability of employment (there's a bit more involved, but for this post this is the relevant bit).
QF have only indicated that opportunities exist to register your interest in a position with QF. They haven't actually indicated that positions are available.
I have to agree with Q-Tee on this one, I doubt whether this claim would have any legs in front of a Tribunal.
But see where you are coming from....
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Well, with positive thinking and a good chance QF will need to recruit come July. I am hoping that by setting the expiry 28th May. Hopefully, we may be contacted in the next 12 days that we need to resubmit our security check info so it can be processed and an offer can be made and training start early-mid July.
All sounds good that if the previous rumours are correct QF L/H and maybe S/H do need to hire (particularly in Mel). It takes time and $ to process new applicants and get them to the stage we are at. Stage 5.
QF had big plans to add additional routes and aircraft to it fleet back in Nov 2002. We where good enough then! The world events caused this big company to take action to secure its profits and align with aviation trends. Now the world is moving forward again and as is aviation. Customer are feeling more confident to fly again and the market looks healthy to an extent once more. We have the commenwealth games in the near future thus creating more travel and tourism to our country. How are these people going to fly? The 'Spirit of Australia' sounds good to me.
All waitlisters should take a sigh and think all good things come to those who wait. 12 more days and we should know our answers and with all fingers and toes crossed hopefully it will be our turn.
I have good feelings and hope to see others in future training schools.
Good luck to every body esle and keep positive.
All sounds good that if the previous rumours are correct QF L/H and maybe S/H do need to hire (particularly in Mel). It takes time and $ to process new applicants and get them to the stage we are at. Stage 5.
QF had big plans to add additional routes and aircraft to it fleet back in Nov 2002. We where good enough then! The world events caused this big company to take action to secure its profits and align with aviation trends. Now the world is moving forward again and as is aviation. Customer are feeling more confident to fly again and the market looks healthy to an extent once more. We have the commenwealth games in the near future thus creating more travel and tourism to our country. How are these people going to fly? The 'Spirit of Australia' sounds good to me.
All waitlisters should take a sigh and think all good things come to those who wait. 12 more days and we should know our answers and with all fingers and toes crossed hopefully it will be our turn.
I have good feelings and hope to see others in future training schools.
Good luck to every body esle and keep positive.