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Old 26th May 2004, 09:57
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The contract positions (based on past ones) are full time, but for a set period of time .... you wont have time to work for another airline !!

And no, QF employees cannot work for another airline due to conflict of interest reasons, and confidentiality reasons ( I have asked before when enquiring about leave without pay). The only circumstance you are allowed to work for another carrier whilst employed by QF, is if you are seconded by QF to work for that carrier.

Hope this helps.



And as for 'unky-Geoff's' speech ..... when he was talking about outsourcing a particular group of staff, I believe he meant telephones sales/ Res ..... heading to India (as he called reference to Telstra and the banks - thats whta they have done).

They are still saying the LHR base will be offered to current QF crew first .... but with lesser conditions, so I doubt many QF crew will apply to transfer there....
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Well 2 days left !! And we know as much as we knew 2 months ago !! NOTHING !! ozskipper !!!! I to have read the talk at the press club in Canbera that Mr DIXON had. I have read the whole thing Q-tee and I double checked and it realy had no refrence to telephone sales. I guess reading it you can take it any way you like. I feel it was heading towards more the crew jobs as there is a lot of talk as you know youreslf with crewing going of shore !! I belive the last figuers i read they would save at least 13million dollers by having a london base. I to have heard a lot of crew are not interested going to London however I belive QF are already in the process of going full steam ahead with it!! Also stong talks witht he LA base. I guess what I am trying to say is that in 1 year the crew as we know it today will not be operating as it is now !! Its sad but as my friend pointed it out JAL have local crew at home and a base in LON contracters as well as Cathay and I belive SQ are planning to do the same !! So if anyone has anything to loose it is the current crew with the overnight slips in europe. My friend tells me the plan is all long haul crew would only fly to points in asia and the lon crew would take over from there !! Not much flying is there after all these changes ! Sad but true ! My question is WHY ISNT the UNION doing anything !! They are letting QF getting away with murder and exporting current jobs os !! I guess if we dont hear anything the long term plan is beciuse the current crew might not have jobs either ! Gussing thats why they only want 10month contracts !! Any thoughts !!
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Qantas plan to shift 25pc of cabin crews overseas

Thurs "Sydney Morning Herald"

Qantas plan to shift 25pc of cabin crews overseas
By Cosima Marriner and Scott Rochfort
May 27, 2004

Qantas is planning to base a quarter of its international cabin crew in London from next year to save on hotel and meal costs, a leaked internal document reveals.

The cabin crew "resource planning" document emerged hours after Qantas's chief executive, Geoff Dixon, publicly argued for sending more of the airline's jobs offshore, but denied any decisions had been made.

Mr Dixon told the National Press Club that Qantas "would be a lot more efficient" if it hired workers overseas. "No one wants to do this, but we're going to have to face up to it," he said.

Mr Dixon said there were "no specific plans at the moment" to boost Qantas's offshore workforce. "Right at the moment I've got nothing on my desk about it."

But the leaked document outlining staffing requirements for 2004-05 reveals the airline's "target" to eventually base 25 per cent - or 840 - of its international cabin crew overseas. Six per cent of Qantas's 35,000 employees are now based overseas, including 350 flight attendants.

Mr Dixon said he would discuss the issue with 250 managers next Tuesday and then meet union representatives.

The leaked document says Qantas plans to hire 150 crew on eight-month contracts by August "to bridge the gap" until its London base is established.

The plans appear to breach the agreement Qantas signed with unions two years ago to cap the number of cabin crew based at its two existing overseas bases - Bangkok and Auckland - at 370.

The Flight Attendants Association said Qantas's Bangkok-based crew are paid 20 per cent, and its Auckland based-crew 60 per cent, of the wages of their Australian counterparts.

The association said it was "absolutely outraged" by the plans. "We've been talking to the company in the past few weeks about a London base," the head of its international division, Michael Mijatov, said.

"What Qantas management told us was that no decision had been made. If they don't give us an absolute answer we'll be calling meetings with our members to discuss this issue."

In his press club speech, Mr Dixon said offshore employment was a "sensitive" issue but it was inevitable that Qantas would shift more jobs overseas as part of efforts to maintain its international competitiveness.

"We're so far away from the rest of the world, Qantas would be a lot more efficient by sourcing labour from other areas than we do," he said. "We've resisted this and we continue to resist this as long as we can get the necessary savings in Australia, [but] there will be times when we have to."

He said Qantas could save $20 million a year if it moved 400 workers from one of the airline's larger divisions overseas to a developed country.

It is believed he was referring to plans to base some cabin crew overseas, which would cut hotel and meal allowance expenses for crew rested in long-haul destinations. Mr Dixon refused to quantify how many Qantas staff he would like based overseas. Nor would he estimate how much money the company could save with more offshore staff.

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Thurs "The Australian"

Qantas offshore job plan
By Steve Creedy and Sophie Morris
May 27, 2004

QANTAS is considering sending one in four long-haul flight attendant jobs overseas – up to 1020 positions in total – in a cost-cutting bid that has incensed unions.

Internal Qantas documents obtained by The Australian suggest the airline could send up to an additional 650 jobs overseas as part of a plan, codenamed Hawaii, believed to involve a base in London. An agreement with the union already allows it to hire 370 overseas flight attendants.

News of the proposal angered the Flight Attendants Association of Australia, which could not rule out industrial action during enterprise bargaining later this year.

FAAA international assistant secretary Michael Mijatov accused Qantas executives "of padding their own pockets at the expense of Australian employment".

The union was also upset at what it believed was a plan to employ 150 flight attendants on fixed-term contracts and dump them when offshore jobs came on line, he said.

"We're outraged if this document is true," Mr Mijatov said.

"Qantas . . . in the public arena trades on its being on an Australian carrier – how dare it even use the words Spirit of Australia?" It presently employs 330 foreign flight attendants.

Yesterday's leaked document indicates Qantas employs 3756 long-haul flight attendants but it projects this to rise to 4072 by next March.

If that happens, the airline's 25 per cent "target" would equate to 1018 jobs.

The document emerged after Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon warned at the National Press Club in Canberra that the airline needed to send more jobs offshore to remain competitive in a "psychoid" global aviation market.

Mr Dixon confirmed last night that the issue was under consideration but said no decision had been made "on any offshore employment for any area of Qantas".

"I intend to discuss this issue and the challenges facing Qantas with 250 senior managers at a meeting next Tuesday," Mr Dixon said.

"I then intend to meet with all the unions represented at Qantas and representatives of the ACTU to take them through all the issues, including consolidation and offshore employment."

Mr Dixon told the Press Club that labour was the airline's most expensive outlay and said employing offshore was the best way to cut costs.

He said moving 400 jobs to a First World country, offering First World salaries and conditions - believed to be a reference to the London plan - could save Qantas more than $20million a year.

But Mr Mijatov said it would deprive Australians of a chance of a job with Qantas.

"The Australian taxpayers built this company and the Australian government paid off their debt at the time of privatisation. If this is the thanks they think they owe to the community, I think they've absolutely got their priorities wrong."

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Old 27th May 2004, 02:20
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After reading that article, all I have to say is "Good luck" and remmember their are other airlines hiring at the moment, without monthly contracts..
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Old 27th May 2004, 09:34
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Hi Guys !! It been a little quite on this thread !! I thought afte todays news there would be lots of news!! Well We have reached thursday and no news yet.. I say since there hass been no letters in the mail that we can only expext good news.. I have howeder heard not sure how true ...... That once they QF have the Lon base up and running in LON that they are going to get a lot of the domestic short haul crew doing the reginal flying.. They are being trained on this in the next couple of minths. I was told it very obviouse that they are wanting to squeeze the long haul crew completly as the labour costs are different to the short haul crew.. I do however find it amazing that the union hasent already called meetings even after todays info seesion from QF . I guess they are wanting the 8-10 month contract for long haul to cover the shortage until they have about 1020 crew set up in lon !! interesting times ahead .. Like my friend said that flys long haul he is a CSM .."the good times with long haul with QF are going to be gone very soon" I hope everybody sticks together and makes sure they get a fait deal with the company !! Any thoughts?? Well lets see what Friday brings !! over and out!
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Good Luck Guys!

Hi Guys,

Just wanted to wish all you guys on the QF shortlist good-luck tomorrow. As I understand your shortlist is due to expire tomorrow, hence expecting some response. My fingers are crossed for all of you, as I have followed the emotional roller coaster you have all been through and know you deserve this more than anything.

Let's hope we can soon change the title of this thread to
"QF HAS HIRED FROM THE SHORTLIST " !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good-Luck and please kep us all posted....

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Old 27th May 2004, 10:16
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Good luck Guys and Girl. I wish you all the best!!!
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Old 27th May 2004, 11:30
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27 May 2004

Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
OVERSEAS BASES
On April 8 and April 27, 2004 the FAAA communicated to members, the rising speculation that Qantas intended to establish an overseas base in London with about 350-400 cabin crew employed overseas under inferior wages and conditions.

Recent media reports and a detailed Qantas staffing plan, confirm that the company’s plans for overseas bases go much further than the establishment of a London Base.

The national media reports indicate that Qantas now intends to move to a position where 1 in 4 cabin crew jobs will be moved off-shore. This move will have major ramifications for current Qantas cabin crew as well as young Australians hoping to one day get a job with Qantas.

Existing wages and conditions will come under threat as cheaper overseas labour provides an economic incentive for Qantas to drive down local wages and conditions and continue to shift more and more Australian jobs overseas. Of course with the constant threat of moving more jobs overseas the bargaining power of cabin crew is weakened.

The FAAA believes that the establishment of these new overseas bases will also affect the rosters and flying offered to Australian based crew. It is likely the great majority of European flying will be performed by overseas-based crew if Qantas are successful in establishing the London base. In the future if Qantas succeeds in implementing its stated target of 25% overseas-based crew, the rosters and flying offered to Australian based crew will continue to decrease.

The Qantas plan also outlines the company’s intention to shift more and more regional flying to the Qantas Short Haul Division. This means Qantas Long Haul crew are getting squeezed from both ends.

The company has also recently confirmed they intend to offer 150 fixed term contracts to Australian based crew for a period of 8 months. The company indicated this was to cover a spike in flying. However, the company plan explicitly says that this is a stop-gap measure to cover extra available flying until the London base comes on line. When the overseas base comes on line the FAAA believes that Qantas will move these jobs overseas and the hopes of a career with Qantas will be dashed for 150 Australian Workers

The FAAA intends to fight the establishment of these new overseas bases with all means available to us. In the very near future the FAAA will be calling meetings of all members and encourage crew to become involved in fighting this career threatening move by Qantas.

In the meantime we intend to continue the media campaign to inform the Australian public of the move by Qantas to de-Australianise this Australian Icon. Cabin crew can also have their say on the move by Qantas to shift 1 in 4 cabin crew jobs overseas by email on [email protected]



This newsletter was written and authorised by Michael Mijatov, Divisional Secretary - International
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Question...

The Qantas plan also outlines the company’s intention to shift more and more regional flying to the Qantas Short Haul Division. This means Qantas Long Haul crew are getting squeezed from both ends.
Guys, excuse my lack of understanding but what exactly does this mean?

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Old 27th May 2004, 20:55
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It means that the shorthaul division [domestic FA's] have alterered their conditions in the last EBA to allow them to fly regional international ops around asia.

At the moment this flying is being and has always been done by QF international crew and is very popular as it offers respite from living much of ones life in a fog of perpetual sleep deprived jetlag.

Oh, it also enables longhaul FA's to maintain relationships/families by giving them a break from 9,10 and 12 day trips.

Rumor has it that in the domestic's rush to take this" family friendly" international flying they forgot to negotiate satisfactory slipping formulas, hotel standards, allowances,crew rest and flight duty limitations.

L2P

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So where will Long Haul FA's be flying to in the future? If LHR is potentially out and presumably other European destinations and then Australasian flying is done by Short Haul - whats left? American flights?
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Lesley shows Australians how to sh*t in her own nest

You can blame Lesley Grant, not Dicko for this.

Lesley introduced a London base for Air New Zealand crew during the 90s. Saved NZ $25m per annum in hotel and allowance payments.

Lesley, unsustainable full service budgets, and arrogance, nearly killed the Koru, they are not going to work at QF either.
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Even though we have been aware of Qantas' plan to extend the overseas bases I am appalled at the size of the plan and where this leaves people in Australia that wish to pursue a career as a flight attendant with Qantas.

The options for Australians wishing to work for Qantas long haul seem to be move to Auckland, get an EU or Thai passport and move to London or Bangkok and work for a Swiss labour hire company, or get the odd fixed term position when QF need some crew to fill the void from time to time.

Domestically work as a casual for the rest of your career through an Australian labour hire company.

I appreciate that Qantas needs to make money and shareholders want to see a return on their investment, however how much is enough and at what cost.

What can we do as crew and potential cabin crew? Anyone have any ideas or do we just sit back and let it all happen? I'm short haul crew but what is happening to long haul will have a flow on effect to all cabin crew within the QF group and who's to say QF wont consider overseas bases to crew short haul regional flights in the future. We can already see the effects of Qantas strategy to employ only casuals in short haul and how this has impacted on regional progression as an example.

Like ozskipper I would be interested to know where exactly will long haul crew be flying in the future and what sort of life will they have, only time will tell.

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Old 28th May 2004, 06:20
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I agree with GH that Australian passport holders have limited options for working with QF.

I call Adeco NZ yesterday to get information on recrutiment for QF and was told that interviews were being held yesterday and today and that if I could get myself to Auckland in the next 24 hours I could attend the walk-in interviews. When I asked if they advertised these interviews in Aust the relpy was no and that QF only gives them a weeks notice to hold interviews. Not giving people from outside of AKL the opertunity of attend. Unless you already have days off or holidays organised.

It seems that QF do not want to give Australians a "fair go" at even getting a job anywhere in the world.
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I have been reading this post from time to time, expecting to see a positive result - after everyone has been so patiently hanging in the wind for 18 months. (Reads: messed around)

I really hope (after all of this) that QF dont offer short term contracts to you poor things purely for the purpose of using you for strike breaking. (Personally, I dont doubt them being so cruel.) I find it all a little too ironic that these announcements/revelations for overseas bases come at the same time that the short list has come to the end of its extension.

I'll just leave it at that for now, untill more news is delivered to you.

Thinking of you.
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Maybe I was wrong in my post above about regional progression. Just heard from a friend at Eastern that more regional prgression is happening but no details as yet does anyone else have details on it?
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Hi GH,

The FAAA only today issued a notice stating...

"We are pleased to advise that on 28 May, 2004 your Association reached agreement with Qantas to allow permanent positions in the Short Haul Division to be offered to current regional flight attendants.

The number of positions will be as follows:

Eastern Australia 15
Sunstate Airlines 9

Please note that the bases to be offered is still to be determined by Qantas.

The timing of the offers is also still to be determined between the relevant airlines.

As further details become available, members wil be updated accordingly."

Good news for those on the progression list though now the question remains... where and when!

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Thanks for the info SydGirl.

Finally some good news after all the doom and gloom of the past few days. I am very, very pleased that QF are looking after the regional crew.

Now lets see some positive news from QF for the shortlisters!!
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Further to the above update re:FAAA Career Progression...

Jetstar crew will receive 8 positions, in addition to those listed above for Eastern and Sunstate.
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Has anybody heard, been offered anything? Today is D day. They said they would get back to us today. Does this mean we wake up tomorrow and our dreams and hard work was for nothing? I am sick with anticipation of the outcome to the telephone call I received last Monday 17/05/04.

I will remain positive as last time we expired 31st March they where several days late.

Has anybody got any news?
Keep posting.
Warm Regards,
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