Glad I've had about 5 of those jobs for the last 25 years! Sorry you didn't bro. Times have changed, not doubt, but it's all relative. Better luck with the next job - or you could quit..!

I have to disagree on your perception, @what next, of the way into corporate, that you describe. I've not in a decade of business aviation come across a single pilot that made his way in to corporate as you describe it - and I work for one of the largest operators in the world. Most pilots making it into business aviation have either build their career from within this part of the industry or made the switch from airlines into the industry by being humble or accepting a relocation that would see them move onto a "larger" business jet straight away - or they have simply already been (with an airline) in a part of the world (such as Asia/China regina or Middle East) where there was a demand and their overall experience (culturally and professionally) was working in their favor.

This is why I put a smiley at the end of my posting. There are all sorts of business jet operators. Some are large organisations similar to an airline (e.g. NetJets) and then there are the welthy individuals who were talked into buying a plane. And everything in between.

It is a shame.... I’ve only been flying commercially for a near 4 years, and as it sound you’ve got over 5 times the experience as I have. I believe, personally, if I limit my opportunities by only wanting “the best job ever” I will never be happy.

im trying to have an open mind for every company that does not ask me to pay for my typerating

Good - keep an open mind. If you've only had 4 years of flying commercial - hopefully you'll get a good job with the fun part too. It's out there - just not with Ryanair or any of those other low cost, no night stop, or crappy Eastern European so called airlines. Go for the "legacy" ones, get onto long haul - preferably before you get married! Aviation and lifestyle within can be fun. Trust me!

This. :ok:

what I am searching for is a company I can rely on, with a good trackrecord. For example, I’ve heard great stories about VistaJet. People who are happy and have adjusted their lifestyle to this.

ive got friends in legacy carriers who are not as happy as they thought they would and I’ve got friends in airlines such as Ryanair who are happy as can be. It’s very personal!

if I would get the chance with VistaJet, I would definitely grab it. Because if I enjoy I’ve done a good job and if not, I have experienced it. But, I believe if I can adjust to it, it’s good! So hoping on an invite.

Nobody is saying that you should not apply and work for Vista, if you are lucky to make it through. Just be realistic with your expectations, it will be hard work at times, looooooong duty days if you are on the Global. Good luck and success!

Can someone update salaries at Vistajet? Is the information in Pilotjobnetwork approximate? A Global's First Officer earning 48,000 euros = 4,000 euros a month flying the global is not a lot of money, and per diem 25 - 60 euros ... Maximum you earn 4,400 euros per month...? You have to take away taxes... Thanks

As already explained above the salary is just about acceptable (for GA standard in Europe at least, where the bar is set incredibly low, thanks to all the crappy austrian/german/slovenian operators out there) for those who do not pay or pay very little taxes.
For those who do pay taxes the salary is bad, especially for the kind of workload and the time spent on the road.

How much/how long is the bond ? With these salaries, do people leave before the end of it?

Any info on this guys?

I believe it's three years

Those numbers are correct for the Global. But you will join with even lower salary than that. If you start on the Global the starting salary is 3000 EUR less per year = 45 000 EUR until 6 months after you pass your line check. Then it will be 48 000 EUR. I would count just under a year before you see those 48 K. Depending on your performance, luck and number of sectors it would probably take you around 4-6 months until you have passed the line check. Then 6 months more with reduced salary before the 48K numbers kick in.
Salaries are:
Global start 45 000 EUR. 6 months after line check 48 000 EUR
Challenger fleets start 42 000 EUR, 6 months after line check 45 000 EUR.

Thereafter the salary increase with 3000 EUR /year after 3 years in service after the passed line check.

Per diems are most of the time tax free and varies depending on the country you live in. But count on 600-800 EUR tax free per month. They are low and you will struggle to eat for that money in some places.
Then you have quarterly bonus. All working days over 51 each quarter qualifies for extra day payment of 200 EUR /day. This one is difficult to reach as some months you will start 2-3 days late and then you won't reach those 51 days. So even if you work on your off days you will not get paid.
Annual extra days. All days you work over 204 days per year will pay you 200 EUR /day. This even includes the stand by days so will pay you around 2000 EUR extra per year.
Then there is a performance bonus that will kick in after, I think it was, 3 years of service. Can't remember the exact numbers but think you started with around 3% bonus of your annual salary. It will then increase 1% every year up to 10%.

You need to have a mental picture why you join this outfit. Things are like they are and will never improve. Salaries have been the same since around 2010. As I have already written there is no interest from anyone higher up to improve your life. They have a model they have been running successfully and will continue to do so until a few handful individuals walk away very happy from this outfit. You as a crew won't be one of them. That's why it is important to know why you are joining VJ otherwise you will be disappointed. I had a great time, fun flying, nice colleagues but VJ is not a long term career employer for the crews, unlike NetJets.

3 years after you passed the line check so around 3,5 years. There was a couple of people who did leave early. I wound definitely not recommend it as I've heard they do come after you with lawyers.

Thank you very much!

Unimpressive numbers, hence why pilots leave then - not hard to understand that.

The amount you get is quite dependent upon which country you live. Austria is supposed to be quite beneficial, and Spain as well if I believe the person who told me.

No matter whether you pay 0% or 40% taxes, it is still a laughable salary for crew on one of the most expensive business jets in the world. It's a nice job for starters, but then run.

Uncommon opinion: money is not everything tho!

Absolutely, but there is no reason to allow high profile companies getting away with underpaying their workforce who do a great job.

The pay we're referring to is brutto and that's a low pay for a "large cabin" business jet. Of course, if you're a low time, little experienced pilot, it's an opportunity to get a type rating, see the world and get a good amount of flying in (something most private jet managed operations lack, in the perspective of a low time pilots with aspirations of moving to the left seat) and I suppose it's not a low pay compared to most airline entry First Officer positions. So, again, each to his own. And right now beggars can't be choosers I suppose.

Absolutely correct. Spot on! Unfortunately this is common for most Austrian and German companies - I don't know wtf is wrong in these countries.

my guess is ‘supply & demand’. More than enough pilots willing to work. If it was the other way around, pilots would have the benefit. Unfortunately, those times are not the present. I do believe in a few years things might change.

The issue in Germany is that almost anyone can go for a CPL/IFR/ATPL, once you are able to count to 3... Competition is really fierce and on top of it you are considered a "rich man" if you make more than 50k EUR per year - before tax.

... and how much are they charging for it?.... (The Global can be an expensive rating... )
Under which country's legislation are these lawyers chasing the employees who left early ?

Anyone with some more intel?
Rumour a few post up suggest they need 40 pilots.

Btw, does VistaJet do fleet transfers from within the company?

hey,

i mailed HR and they were kind enough to call me last week. They could not give too much information yet as they are being swamped with applications. Assessment is fairly generic; phone call to check your motivation and competencies, technical exam (rumors say it’s about ‘your current type’), interview and sim.

when I got the phone call they said it will take a few weeks once applied. You can check your status of your application on the career page. Every update triggers an email to you.

And how would that be different in any other European country? Or even non-European?

There is seniority and career opportunities. Fleet changes, upgrade to captain with minimum required hours, possibility to become TRI,TRE...not everything is just money. And money in VJ is not that bad. You can live where you want and pick the gateway that suits you best. VJ never stopped growing and now is getting beautiful momentum. FOMO? apply

Thanks I already applied.
The momentum, is it just form the Globals and XLS's added?
Or anything else going on behind the scenes?

One thing nobody ever understood is the profitability of the company.
A lot of announcements are made on a regular basis, with their formidable PR machine, mentioning growing revenues and increasing flight hours, but never ever a mention of that insignificant detail that are costs and the actual profits made since the company was created.
Many consider the business model unsustainable, with new, shiny and expensive jets on what must be eye-watering leases.
But we are only pilots, right?

https://uk.globaldatabase.com/compan...tional-limited
Just to give you an overview...

Totally true. You just got to adjust your life style accordingly and make the ends meet. It's not like the remuneration numbers at VistaJet are unlivable, they are just a far cry from what you get paid at other operations on the same size airframe - the keyword is substandard on this matter. Personal progression and professional challenges (positive ones!) all add to the balance sheet, not just cash, but unfortunately you don't build brick houses with those.

Observes have had focus on this for years - yet nothing has happened. VistaJet has not unfolded yet. :-)

And I hope they never do. But everyone in the business as you point out has had doubts about the company.

Personally I would avoid these guys like the plague. If you are young and need some jet time, sure go ahead especially if you are single with no real responsibilities like a family. Get your time and move on. Other than that avoid unless its all you can get and you do have a family to support etc...then move on when able.

Have anyone received any Status updates on your application so far?
Mine is till on "Received Submission"

when did you apply?

mine is ‘under review’

Mine is "received submission" aswell.