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dcoded 10th March 2021 09:23


Originally Posted by MostAnnoying (Post 11005598)
when did you apply?

mine is ‘under review’

On the 27th Feb.
Did you have to re-apply since you were accepted since pre-covid?
And when did you status change to "under review"?

Btw, what's you experience?


MostAnnoying 10th March 2021 10:17


Originally Posted by dcoded (Post 11005658)
On the 27th Feb.
Did you have to re-apply since you were accepted since pre-covid?
And when did you status change to "under review"?

Btw, what's you experience?
Mine is ex business on the 850 and now ex Legacy carrier.

yes. I contacted HR as soon as I saw the application online to ask if I had to apply again. So yes, I did.

I applied on 27th of feb and changed to under review on 03/03

I have 2000 hours on the B737

CloudChopper95 10th March 2021 10:26


Originally Posted by MostAnnoying (Post 11005688)
yes. I contacted HR as soon as I saw the application online to ask if I had to apply again. So yes, I did.

I applied on 27th of feb and changed to under review on 03/03

I have 2000 hours on the B737

Hi mate, was it a full re submit or did you just update your profile?

dcoded 10th March 2021 10:34


Originally Posted by MostAnnoying (Post 11005688)
yes. I contacted HR as soon as I saw the application online to ask if I had to apply again. So yes, I did.

I applied on 27th of feb and changed to under review on 03/03

I have 2000 hours on the B737

Thanks for the info! Good luck and keep us posted!

MostAnnoying 10th March 2021 10:39


Originally Posted by CloudChopper95 (Post 11005692)
Hi mate, was it a full re submit or did you just update your profile?

Well, I had to re submit the application but had to update my license and medical anyway. Did however write a new application letter and update my CV. So in effect, really just an entire new application 😂

CloudChopper95 10th March 2021 10:53


Originally Posted by MostAnnoying (Post 11005702)
Well, I had to re submit the application but had to update my license and medical anyway. Did however write a new application letter and update my CV. So in effect, really just an entire new application 😂

Haha fair enough! Where abouts you based at the mo?

MostAnnoying 10th March 2021 11:28


Originally Posted by CloudChopper95 (Post 11005716)
Haha fair enough! Where abouts you based at the mo?

In the UK, so hope to be back flying in a few weeks. Living in Austria so the job with VJ would come in fantastic

TheFatViking 10th March 2021 15:43

I had one application in since last year for the open application for experienced aviation candidate and it’s been under review since 9/2020 😂 The other applications are still just received submission. Good luck to everyone. 2600 hours on B73&B78.

Setting 10th March 2021 16:18


Originally Posted by eiffel (Post 11004143)
... and how much are they charging for it?.... (The Global can be an expensive rating... )
Under which country's legislation are these lawyers chasing the employees who left early ?

Cannot remember but the cost of a type rating for one of these aircrafts, between 40 000 - 60 000 USD depending on type.

I don't know under which legislation but they are not short of resources.

Setting 10th March 2021 16:27


Originally Posted by dirk85 (Post 11005110)
One thing nobody ever understood is the profitability of the company.
A lot of announcements are made on a regular basis, with their formidable PR machine, mentioning growing revenues and increasing flight hours, but never ever a mention of that insignificant detail that are costs and the actual profits made since the company was created.
Many consider the business model unsustainable, with new, shiny and expensive jets on what must be eye-watering leases.
But we are only pilots, right?

Correct, never any words about profits, only growth. You also have to consider they bought all their jets at the last financial crisis. There is no way they paid full price for all the aircrafts they bought back then. That is their secret weapon. The problem will be next time they have to buy new aircrafts. Many of their aircrafts are not so young anymore. Some approaching 10 years. Question is for how long they can use them? 5 years? 10 years? This type of jets are not made to fly like an airline.

Setting 10th March 2021 16:37


Originally Posted by TRENDMAN (Post 11005084)
There is seniority and career opportunities. Fleet changes, upgrade to captain with minimum required hours, possibility to become TRI,TRE...not everything is just money. And money in VJ is not that bad. You can live where you want and pick the gateway that suits you best. VJ never stopped growing and now is getting beautiful momentum. FOMO? apply

Side note: Who want's to be a TRE/TRI in VJ? Work 17 days and then go to the simulator on your off days to work even more? Also for a compensation that is half of the TRE/TRI going rate.

MostAnnoying 10th March 2021 17:01


Originally Posted by TheFatViking (Post 11005918)
I had one application in since last year for the open application for experienced aviation candidate and it’s been under review since 25/9 😂 The other applications are still just received submission. Good luck to everyone. 2600 hours on B73&B78.

I believe all applications and assessments were put on hold due to COVID.

TheFatViking 10th March 2021 18:26


Originally Posted by MostAnnoying (Post 11005969)
I believe all applications and assessments were put on hold due to COVID.

yeah that’s what I’ve heard too. Let’s hope we all get a chance to fly again soon. And from what I’ve heard from the people in VJ is that everybody seems more than happy there.

MostAnnoying 10th March 2021 19:04


Originally Posted by TheFatViking (Post 11006013)
yeah that’s what I’ve heard too. Let’s hope we all get a chance to fly again soon. And from what I’ve heard from the people in VJ is that everybody seems more than happy there.

The lady I spoke to said that it will all take a while to go through all applications. Guess patience is required again.

TheFatViking 10th March 2021 19:50


Originally Posted by MostAnnoying (Post 11006031)
The lady I spoke to said that it will all take a while to go through all applications. Guess patience is required again.

Thanks, yeah I can only imagine the droves of applications!

CloudChopper95 10th March 2021 20:01


Originally Posted by TheFatViking (Post 11006064)
Thanks, yeah I can only imagine the droves of applications!

You'd have thought that they would close the application after a certain amount

MostAnnoying 12th March 2021 21:04


Originally Posted by CloudChopper95 (Post 11006077)
You'd have thought that they would close the application after a certain amount

well, it seems they’ve taken the application off!

CloudChopper95 12th March 2021 21:32


Originally Posted by MostAnnoying (Post 11007379)
well, it seems they’ve taken the application off!

noticed that last night! hopefully we will all hear something in he next few weeks. did anyone apply to the XO job or both or just the vista fleet?

Cessnaflieshigher 21st March 2021 10:05

Any update?
 
Has anyone received any correspondence from Vistajet in response to their application for Pilot position.

arrowcapitan 21st March 2021 14:44

under review ....

MostAnnoying 21st March 2021 16:20

I was in contact with a guy who works there; over 4000 applications.

i am under review as well

Cessnaflieshigher 21st March 2021 16:46

Thank you.

Sky95 21st March 2021 17:43

Under review as well

TheFatViking 22nd March 2021 08:50

“Received submission” 😂

dcoded 22nd March 2021 10:29

Still received submission..

Klimax 22nd March 2021 21:46

A mediocre company getting 4000 applications (likely the majority are from applicants without a pilots license - but no need to disclose that part.. :-) ) Well, it serves to prove the desperate state the that pilot profession is in (from those who applied and actually had a pilots license!).. Needless to say that the exodus will likely be of a similar character..

MostAnnoying 22nd March 2021 23:26


Originally Posted by Klimax (Post 11014208)
A mediocre company getting 4000 applications (likely the majority are from applicants without a pilots license - but no need to disclose that part.. :-) ) Well, it serves to prove the desperate state the that pilot profession is in (from those who applied and actually had a pilots license!).. Needless to say that the exodus will likely be of a similar character..

For someone who has in their own bibliography 'Awesome', try and be awesome and lead by example and help others to stay motivated in difficult times. A massive load of pilots got booted out of their companies, were in the transition of changing jobs in a good market and got discontinued or cadets who have just finished their training moving heaven and earth to get a message back from a company and hopefully an invitation. Be thankful for what you have, because apparently it is not "a mediocre company" where you work, but show some support for your colleagues who are motivated to get back to work or to get a job.

Klimax 23rd March 2021 09:08


Originally Posted by MostAnnoying (Post 11014269)
For someone who has in their own bibliography 'Awesome', try and be awesome and lead by example and help others to stay motivated in difficult times. A massive load of pilots got booted out of their companies, were in the transition of changing jobs in a good market and got discontinued or cadets who have just finished their training moving heaven and earth to get a message back from a company and hopefully an invitation. Be thankful for what you have, because apparently it is not "a mediocre company" where you work, but show some support for your colleagues who are motivated to get back to work or to get a job.

What I said is correct. You may have a different view on this, but that doesn't change an industry perspective. As you correctly mention, the unfortunate fact that lots of pilots lost their jobs, is the main reason that VJ is now having their moment in the sun - nothing else.
And for the record, I went for the VJ assessment back somewhere around 2010, passed it and was told to await further contact by some accountable manager (Mr. Amb or something like that). Nothing further ever happened after that. I wasn't particular keen on joining them in the first place - so I left it at that. Lots of other successful applicants had the same happen to them. I suppose you don't like to hear this, since it might come across as unmotivating to you, but not everybody lives by the ostrich method. Good luck with updates on their recruitment site.

MostAnnoying 23rd March 2021 09:43

I guess bad luck what happened to you and your fellow applicants. I think everybody who applied is well aware of the stories that have been told by others who have applied or have worked there, but also stories of people who work there currently.

I don't really live by an ostrich method, I'd rather just try and see what happens. If you go in with too many expectations, then there is high chance of being disappointed. what happened to you, is disappointing at the least, but that was 11 years ago. Maybe things have changed, maybe they haven't. But if someone wants to go to an assessment, i'd rather get a motivational boost with some sense of reality instead of just negativity.

ginopino 23rd March 2021 11:18

Dear Klimax, in 2010 Vista was a complete different Company .. with a different Management.

Much love..


Klimax 23rd March 2021 14:54


Originally Posted by MostAnnoying (Post 11014515)
I guess bad luck what happened to you and your fellow applicants. I think everybody who applied is well aware of the stories that have been told by others who have applied or have worked there, but also stories of people who work there currently.

I don't really live by an ostrich method, I'd rather just try and see what happens. If you go in with too many expectations, then there is high chance of being disappointed. what happened to you, is disappointing at the least, but that was 11 years ago. Maybe things have changed, maybe they haven't. But if someone wants to go to an assessment, i'd rather get a motivational boost with some sense of reality instead of just negativity.

You can say that it's 11 years ago, which is indeed a fact, however that doesn't disqualify the event as factual and therefor also reality. Perhaps things have changed at VistaJet - perhaps not. It's free for anyone to be selective about what they take from this forum, and it's fair enough that you prefer to go for an opportunity and simply see what happens. But you can't expect to only get fed positive stories in here, when there are realities that are not just that. Good luck with the assessment if you get called.

Klimax 23rd March 2021 14:56


Originally Posted by ginopino (Post 11014602)
Dear Klimax, in 2010 Vista was a complete different Company .. with a different Management.

Much love..

Ok, well that's informative.

MostAnnoying 23rd March 2021 15:12


Originally Posted by Klimax (Post 11014758)
You can say that it's 11 years ago, which is indeed a fact, however that doesn't disqualify the event as factual and therefor also reality. Perhaps things have changed at VistaJet - perhaps not. It's free for anyone to be selective about what they take from this forum, and it's fair enough that you prefer to go for an opportunity and simply see what happens. But you can't expect to only get fed positive stories in here, when there are realities that are not just that. Good luck with the assessment if you get called.

Understanding you were there in 2010, means you’ve working a while in this industry. For me it has been since 2018. Still here to see what is around. Definitely not expecting only good stories on here, but loads of people come on this forum and smash opportunities in to the ground by saying “where I work is way better” and then do not share where they work or anything else. Same as “I am going on holiday to the Algarve” and get a reply “my parents have a beach house in Barbados”. Does not add anything.

TinFoilhat2 23rd March 2021 18:28


Originally Posted by Klimax (Post 11014759)
Ok, well that's informative.

Lol...my thoughts exactly!

alanpartridge 23rd March 2021 20:45


Originally Posted by Klimax (Post 11014759)
Ok, well that's informative.

I’d suggest it’s no less informative than the nonsense you’ve posted yourself. Suggesting the majority of the applications are from people without licences? Really?

I fail to see what you and a couple of others are offering to this thread. Your only experience of VistaJet appears to be failing the selection process, the others appear to have none at all other than having once spoken to some crew.

The downsides have been well noted on here. It’s really not complicated, if you can’t make those downsides work then don’t apply.

Anyone who goes in happy with those downsides should be very pleasantly surprised when they actually get online. Contrary to what some may think, most of us actually thoroughly enjoy our job and, as far as I can tell, morale is generally high! Get a good crew, a moderate workload and some nice destinations and it’s like going on vacation with your buddies. Personally I love it.

MostAnnoying 23rd March 2021 21:48


Originally Posted by alanpartridge (Post 11014938)
Anyone who goes in happy with those downsides should be very pleasantly surprised when they actually get online. Contrary to what some may think, most of us actually thoroughly enjoy our job and, as far as I can tell, morale is generally high! Get a good crew, a moderate workload and some nice destinations and it’s like going on vacation with your buddies. Personally I love it.

Thanks Alanpartridge.

Can I assume you work for VistaJet? Any chance on sharing some experiences?

All the best!

alanpartridge 23rd March 2021 22:06


Originally Posted by MostAnnoying (Post 11014974)
Thanks Alanpartridge.

Can I assume you work for VistaJet? Any chance on sharing some experiences?

All the best!

Yes. And maybe.......depends what you’re asking! :D Public forum etc....

dnx 24th March 2021 07:27

This is a rumors network and unfortunately lots of people use it just to vent their frustrations about things they heard from a friend of a colleague of a cousin of their next door neighbor once removed . I've worked for VistaJet for 9 years now and believe me it's an OK place. If you want a steady roster (17/13), fly state of the art technology and are not afraid to boldly go where others haven't you will be in for an adventure. Like any other company there are plusses and minuses. But the minuses are nothing like what is described by people on this forum who have little or no personal experiences with VistaJet anno 2021. The Vista Group has grown into a force of amalgamated companies and entities with a well defined purpose. Apply if you want to but do not expect 100% immediate response. As you know the supply side is quite abundant right now and there are literally 1000s for suitably qualified applicants waiting for their c.v's to be processed. If things go as planned there will be plenty of vacancies. My advise is to think about the pro's and con's. Vistajet is not for everyone. But those who do get thru and work there like I do enjoy it because 99% of the people you work with are committed individuals who took on the challenge and ran with it. And if you do get invited to an interview and/or assessment listen carefully to what management will tell you. They are very honest about what they believe in and what they expect.
Good luck.

MostAnnoying 24th March 2021 08:19


Originally Posted by alanpartridge (Post 11014983)
Yes. And maybe.......depends what you’re asking! :D Public forum etc....

I tried to send you a personal message but your mailbox is full. Could I ask you some things via there?

Private jet 24th March 2021 13:04


Originally Posted by ginopino (Post 11014602)
Dear Klimax, in 2010 Vista was a complete different Company .. with a different Management.

Much love..

I know someone that flies for them and they say its different faces but same corporate shtick... There are definately worse employers out there though, some much worse and nobody is holding a gun to your head to work for Vista... Like everywhere it suits some and not others. To be fair though, it is tricky to make a worthwhile profit with their business model. Probably have to fly each and every aircraft for close to 500 chargeable hours per year just to break even (depreciation, back office costs etc on top of the DOC), not as easy as it sounds in the very limited marketplace this industry serves.


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