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Old 28th Feb 2021, 10:42
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How does the employment in Vistjet work?
Are you a "contractor"?
Or everyone is permanently employed by the Maltese company?
Or they have multiple secondary companies in various European states to employ pilots locally in their domicile?
Are any residents of certain European countries excluded from being offered a job in Vistajet? The reason I am asking is that on PPJN there is a note "No French airports" for commuting.

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Old 28th Feb 2021, 19:34
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Incorrect. Everyone is on full salary. Has been so since July last year.
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Old 28th Feb 2021, 20:25
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Originally Posted by CloudChopper95
17/13 roster and annual leave taken only on the 13 off
What do you mean by this? That you can only take Annual Leave when you have 13 days off on the month or that they use those 13 days as annual leave?
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 17:24
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It means that 13 days off a month already include your holiday entitlement. All training and mandatory company events to be completed in your days “off” as well.
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 19:28
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Originally Posted by dirk85
It means that 13 days off a month already include your holiday entitlement. All training and mandatory company events to be completed in your days “off” as well.
So you cannot get off longer than 13 days in a row?
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 19:46
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Originally Posted by MostAnnoying
So you cannot get off longer than 13 days in a row?
Not under normal circumstances, as far as I know
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Old 1st Mar 2021, 20:11
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Originally Posted by MostAnnoying
What do you mean by this? That you can only take Annual Leave when you have 13 days off on the month or that they use those 13 days as annual leave?
Basically you have no leave. As you would have had those 13 days off regardless, they now just substitute your 'VACATION LEAVE' for your 13 days off when in actual fact and BY LAW it is meant to come out of the 17 working days!!

Its disgusting treatment and US or Australian pilots would never put up with this nonsense but in good old European fashion the pilots just bend over and take it, anything to fly a shiny jet!!

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Old 2nd Mar 2021, 15:19
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Its disgusting treatment
Interesting point of view - having more time off each year than someone working 5 days a week with 6 weeks holiday is "disgusting treatment?? And how do you figure out that it has to come out of the 17 by law? Every country I know of (which does not include Aus, so I can't comment on there) merely has a legal miminum number off days off per year - and i think in the US it is only 14 in the whole year. If your contract states that those have to be taken at particular times that is normal. Ask any factory worker!
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Old 2nd Mar 2021, 17:35
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assessment

hey guys
any info for the assessment process?
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Old 2nd Mar 2021, 19:14
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Originally Posted by zen krempie
hey guys
any info for the assessment process?
I got a phonecall yesterday from HR and they said it will take a while before shortlisted candidates will be contacten due to the large amount of applicants. Few weeks at the most she said
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 08:40
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Originally Posted by MostAnnoying
I got a phonecall yesterday from HR and they said it will take a while before shortlisted candidates will be contacten due to the large amount of applicants. Few weeks at the most she said
So it means you were already shortlisted? Or why would HR call you to inform this?
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Originally Posted by dcoded
So it means you were already shortlisted? Or why would HR call you to inform this?
I applied last year and my application got accepted but due COVID cancelled. Wanted to know if I had to apply again or if they would consider my previous application. Along with the email I sent a list full of question about the application and due to the high work rate at the office she called me instead of writing back.
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Originally Posted by MostAnnoying
I applied last year and my application got accepted but due COVID cancelled. Wanted to know if I had to apply again or if they would consider my previous application. Along with the email I sent a list full of question about the application and due to the high work rate at the office she called me instead of writing back.
Ok, that makes sense. Congratulation to passing the assessment, hope they will give priority for those who passed the selection.
Did you happen to find out how many pilots they actually need?
Did they specify to which of the aircrafts they require crew?

Btw, could you shed some light on the assessment in general?

Thanks a million and good luck to us all.
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Originally Posted by dcoded
Ok, that makes sense. Congratulation to passing the assessment, hope they will give priority for those who passed the selection.
Did you happen to find out how many pilots they actually need?
Did they specify to which of the aircrafts they require crew?

Btw, could you shed some light on the assessment in general?

Thanks a million and good luck to us all.
Unfortunately I did not make it to the assessments due to covid so cannot give you any information on the assessment

as in the application they are requiring application for the entire fleet, including the Citation XLS, according to rumours they are looking for about 40 people, but as I said it is a rumour.

Sorry I cannot give you more information
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 13:09
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What about career possibilities? Like for example if someone upgrades on a business jet, is it likely to also get a skipper position with an airline on the A320/B737? For instance, RYR takes only people with >30,000kgs experience. Pre-Covid, some other operators wanted >27,000kgs. Let's say you're flying a businessjet of 7,000kg or something. What are the chances? Or are PIC hours on >27,000kgs a must?

What are your experiences?
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Originally Posted by BizJetJock
Interesting point of view - having more time off each year than someone working 5 days a week with 6 weeks holiday is "disgusting treatment?? And how do you figure out that it has to come out of the 17 by law? Every country I know of (which does not include Aus, so I can't comment on there) merely has a legal miminum number off days off per year - and i think in the US it is only 14 in the whole year. If your contract states that those have to be taken at particular times that is normal. Ask any factory worker!
For starters, we are not factory workers, please compare aviation companies with other aviation companies. Following your logic you should be happy to also only earn the same money as a train or bus driver, since we do the same stuff as them.
And you don't ask your highly valued employees to perform their training and travelling on their OFF-days, this is disgusting, too. Vacation means vacation: vacation days replace working days. In my outfit luckily it's like this: 18 vacation days = one calendar month OFF, period. Don't quote me on it, but as far as I am aware it is even part of work legislation in our contract state.

It's always as much as you allow an employer to go. Get organized, found a trade union, fight for your conditions and don't accept everything what the "Tsar" is dictating.
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Originally Posted by captain.weird
What about career possibilities? Like for example if someone upgrades on a business jet, is it likely to also get a skipper position with an airline on the A320/B737? For instance, RYR takes only people with >30,000kgs experience. Pre-Covid, some other operators wanted >27,000kgs. Let's say you're flying a businessjet of 7,000kg or something. What are the chances? Or are PIC hours on >27,000kgs a must?

What are your experiences?
It's a different business in my opinion... Going from a domestic/continental airline to an intercontinental cargo airline, the requirements are not the same either. I think it will all depend on what the demands are of an airline. Take in to consideration there are nowadays loads of pilots on the market due to the pandemic, with massive amounts of experience. If a company is looking for skilled commanders, they will have their pick. Everything can change in a heartbeat (as we have experienced last year)
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 16:12
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Originally Posted by MostAnnoying
Unfortunately I did not make it to the assessments due to covid so cannot give you any information on the assessment

as in the application they are requiring application for the entire fleet, including the Citation XLS, according to rumours they are looking for about 40 people, but as I said it is a rumour.

Sorry I cannot give you more information
I appreciate the information provided, thanks!
40 sounds like a real big number, never the less, this is a rumour network.
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Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!
For starters, we are not factory workers, please compare aviation companies with other aviation companies. Following your logic you should be happy to also only earn the same money as a train or bus driver, since we do the same stuff as them.
And you don't ask your highly valued employees to perform their training and travelling on their OFF-days, this is disgusting, too. Vacation means vacation: vacation days replace working days. In my outfit luckily it's like this: 18 vacation days = one calendar month OFF, period. Don't quote me on it, but as far as I am aware it is even part of work legislation in our contract state.

It's always as much as you allow an employer to go. Get organized, found a trade union, fight for your conditions and don't accept everything what the "Tsar" is dictating.
^^^^^^^^^^What he said^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Old 3rd Mar 2021, 18:11
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Originally Posted by trancada
Do you know the actual T&C’s? Salaries? Day’s on day’s off?


Do you pay the type rating for the CL604 and the Global 7500?
The work pattern is fixed 17/13 and no extra holidays. Your vacation days are included in your 13 days off. You do have vacation as per contract but they will be used for your 13 days off. If I remember correct they used 4 days per month. On top of this you do all your training like simulators, crm and fire courses on your off days. This means that around 3-4 off periods will be interrupted per year. If you include all this extra work, the working days over the year is more 18/11. If you end up on the 350/605 fleet and have your simulator training in Montreal it will be closer to 18.5/10.5. Travel days were inside these 17 days so day 1 and 16/17 are usually dedicated travel days. You will always be home on time under normal circumstances, unless that has changed but I don't think so.

The outfit is challenging from a social view and issues arise if you have special family events planned on your working days like weddings or funerals. If you plan to have kids, make sure they are planned for your off days!

The leadership style from the office can be summed up in a word as dated. An ignorant management that doesn't have the slightest interest in improving work conditions. It was constant talk of cost savings and the need to work harder to make it work.

On the good side, the flying is dynamic and you will travel the world and see places that you will not even come close to in any other airline. But you will not have much time to explore and the schedule is unpredictable and they can call you out anytime they want and that did also happen frequently. You will work HARD.

The company is run with pretty high standards and operating procedures and at first it will look professional. But there will always be a lot of grey areas in this type of operation and especially with this company culture. Another problem is the constant work life balance and unless you are 25, single and having no friends or friends you want to run away from I would not recommend this outfit. 50+ freshly divorced could work as well. You will hardly see home. At the end of the day it is of course a job and VJ will provide that. They will also pay for all type ratings for a 3 year bond. Accept that. Also no crew food provided.

It is positive that jobs are created even during a crisis like now but fact is also that these jobs advertised does not suit everybody.
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