Biz Jets, Ag Flying, GA etc. The place for discussion of issues related to corporate, Ag and GA aviation. If you're a professional pilot and don't fly for the airlines then try here.

Vistajet Future

Old 3rd Feb 2022, 17:56
  #361 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2021
Location: Globetrotter
Posts: 8
Originally Posted by BumpyLandings View Post
Does anyone have information with regard to the Vistajet simulator check? From example type used, glass, clockwork, profile?
Many thanks
CRJ 700/900 SIM in Berlin
Just pure RAW data SID from random german airport, RAW data ILS.
Your sim CPT/FO is from Vista, so no usual CRM is to be expected.
SIM slots during the night.
GoatriderClassic is offline  
Old 3rd Feb 2022, 18:21
  #362 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Utopia
Posts: 742
Originally Posted by GoatriderClassic View Post
CRJ 700/900 SIM in Berlin
Just pure RAW data SID from random german airport, RAW data ILS.
Your sim CPT/FO is from Vista, so no usual CRM is to be expected.
SIM slots during the night.
At least the candidates are shown what to expect - even before they´ve even join! That´s hilarious!
Klimax is offline  
Old 4th Feb 2022, 07:17
  #363 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: belgium
Posts: 97
Short 15 min flight, 3 years ago I had sid out Hamburg, then vectors for an ndb approach. The others all got ils approach and then a goaround
deing is offline  
Old 4th Feb 2022, 12:05
  #364 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2022
Location: England
Posts: 3
Thank you all 🙂
BumpyLandings is offline  
Old 7th Feb 2022, 11:20
  #365 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: EU
Age: 36
Posts: 1
Unfortunately, this is how it is at VJ now. The once youthful, upbeat crews we would see through the FBO are all tired and fed up now - we’ve all commented on it. It’s interesting to learn this is how they are treating their experienced fos ready for upgrade - standard practice at the legacy carriers, NJE etc but VJ is neither with their conditions and schedule. I am told they are losing good pilots at an alarming rate, with many more looking to jump ship when they can.
seagull7 is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2022, 20:03
  #366 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Vesterbronx
Age: 45
Posts: 14
I’ve got a short phone interview later this month for DEC. Presumably to check my motivation etc. as mentioned in this thread.
I could only find F/o salary in this thread, could someone help me with the Captain salary/pension/Per diems etc. E.g. on the Global. Even better if a scandinavian resident could reply 😀
PPJN is gone unfortunately.

Thanks
Vesterbronx is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2022, 21:50
  #367 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 5
Originally Posted by Vesterbronx View Post
I’ve got a short phone interview later this month for DEC. Presumably to check my motivation etc. as mentioned in this thread.
I could only find F/o salary in this thread, could someone help me with the Captain salary/pension/Per diems etc. E.g. on the Global. Even better if a scandinavian resident could reply 😀
PPJN is gone unfortunately.

Thanks
Imagine what you think an FO should get paid at a decent company and you will be close to what a captain gets paid at vistajet!

With bonus , if you get it, you will be expecting to make maximum €90k on the smaller fleets and €100k on the Global. My ex colleague who is there says just over €100k sounds about right for someone with a few years in the company. Per diems are around €40 a day average , which seems incredibly low.

you would need to be desperat to accept that as an experienced captain.
zuluzuluzulu is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2022, 23:19
  #368 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2022
Location: Athens
Posts: 4
Originally Posted by Vesterbronx View Post
I’ve got a short phone interview later this month for DEC. Presumably to check my motivation etc. as mentioned in this thread.
I could only find F/o salary in this thread, could someone help me with the Captain salary/pension/Per diems etc. E.g. on the Global. Even better if a scandinavian resident could reply 😀
PPJN is gone unfortunately.

Thanks
Commander: €94000pa plus per diems which are variable, plan for €30-40 per day, tax-free. Some countries have fixed pd at €40 so please check for Scandinavia.
You also get “extra day bonuses” paid each quarter & at the end of year. Expect another 5-10k maximum in these payments.
Most likely salary is reduced for the first 6 months as I believe to 80% during your probation period. Latest news is a 5% pay increase, paid as a supplement each month for all vaccinated crew who maintain their covid-19 vaccination status and 5% on top of yearly appraisal bonuses. Must have worked over 204 days to qualify, I.e. don’t catch covid.
Roster 17/13 fixed. Vacation built into your off days. Required to pick an addition two extra “standby days” for travelling one day early at the start of your nominated months also. All training in off days. Sim mostly UK now - expect 2200L earliest slot times if you are a lucky crew.

Great crews (some unfortunately yes now are leaving), sometimes a cocktail in the Caribbean, sometimes China (HK!!) covid jail. Every trip is different; it’s what makes it. You will fly a modern business jet all over the globe with often fantastic people. What VistaJet sell is what you get, no grey areas and that is made clear from the very beginning. It is what you make it at the end of the day. We work hard but play hard too. (OK for the Global we sleep first then we play hard!)

Best of luck.
whatsthewocl is offline  
Old 10th Feb 2022, 14:33
  #369 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Bucks
Posts: 225
Hi All, does VistaJet have any ethnic minority flight deck crew?
NaijaNinja is offline  
Old 10th Feb 2022, 20:59
  #370 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Vesterbronx
Age: 45
Posts: 14
Thanks for replies above guys.

Besides the pay, the 17 days away is probably not doable for me anyway.
Vesterbronx is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2022, 11:08
  #371 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: N/A
Posts: 18
Originally Posted by zuluzuluzulu View Post
Imagine what you think an FO should get paid at a decent company and you will be close to what a captain gets paid at vistajet!

With bonus , if you get it, you will be expecting to make maximum €90k on the smaller fleets and €100k on the Global. My ex colleague who is there says just over €100k sounds about right for someone with a few years in the company. Per diems are around €40 a day average , which seems incredibly low.

you would need to be desperat to accept that as an experienced captain.
The problem is not VJ paying low salaries. The problem is all south European countries not asking for any tax for the VJ employees. The gross salary numbers you see here is also what you can expect to see in your pocket at the end of the month deducted for some small social fees. But overall they are minimal. So a take home salary for a captain in the region of 8000 EUR/month is not that bad is it? As long as you live in Italy, Spain, Austria, Slovenia, Greece or any other country where the state doesn't want your tax money. Less fun for the colleagues in north Europe. If everyone paid tax like in the UK and Germany the salaries would be higher in VJ but as they can employ endless of people from south Europe who are happy with the salary why would they increase them? You live a very good life in Spain with 8000 EUR in your pockets every month.

So for most people the problem in VJ is not the salary. The problem is that you work too much. No holidays. Sim and CRM on your off days etc.
Setting is offline  
Old 15th Feb 2022, 21:20
  #372 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2022
Location: Athens
Posts: 4
Originally Posted by Setting View Post
The problem is not VJ paying low salaries. The problem is all south European countries not asking for any tax for the VJ employees. The gross salary numbers you see here is also what you can expect to see in your pocket at the end of the month deducted for some small social fees. But overall they are minimal. So a take home salary for a captain in the region of 8000 EUR/month is not that bad is it? As long as you live in Italy, Spain, Austria, Slovenia, Greece or any other country where the state doesn't want your tax money. Less fun for the colleagues in north Europe. If everyone paid tax like in the UK and Germany the salaries would be higher in VJ but as they can employ endless of people from south Europe who are happy with the salary why would they increase them? You live a very good life in Spain with 8000 EUR in your pockets every month.

So for most people the problem in VJ is not the salary. The problem is that you work too much. No holidays. Sim and CRM on your off days etc.
I would agree with the above, although regardless of residential country, the salary is still below industry standard, especially, as you say on a 17/13 roster, no leave & training during off days etc. VistaJet don’t want pilots who prioritise working conditions and salary, they never have. They want pilots who are happy to accept these conditions in return to fly a modern biz jet for 17 days around the globe, three times.
whatsthewocl is offline  
Old 16th Feb 2022, 07:10
  #373 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Utopia
Posts: 742
Originally Posted by Setting View Post
The problem is not VJ paying low salaries. The problem is all south European countries not asking for any tax for the VJ employees. The gross salary numbers you see here is also what you can expect to see in your pocket at the end of the month deducted for some small social fees. But overall they are minimal. So a take home salary for a captain in the region of 8000 EUR/month is not that bad is it? As long as you live in Italy, Spain, Austria, Slovenia, Greece or any other country where the state doesn't want your tax money. Less fun for the colleagues in north Europe. If everyone paid tax like in the UK and Germany the salaries would be higher in VJ but as they can employ endless of people from south Europe who are happy with the salary why would they increase them? You live a very good life in Spain with 8000 EUR in your pockets every month.

So for most people the problem in VJ is not the salary. The problem is that you work too much. No holidays. Sim and CRM on your off days etc.
BS argument, and this does not in any shape or form change the VistaJet substandard Captain remuneration for the BD700 class segment. The taxation on remuneration earned at a other companies paying the average Captain pay of 140+K Euro/year would be under the same conditions as you describe, though the "take home" following your argument would be 12000 EUR/month, which is more or less standard on the G650/BD700 etc. segment. So, no, VJ is in this regard NOT attractive, and likely also why pilots are leaving when they can, and DEC only joining for the type rating, experience and the leave at opportunity. That´s just how the game is played.
Klimax is offline  
Old 16th Feb 2022, 08:26
  #374 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2022
Location: Athens
Posts: 4
Originally Posted by Klimax View Post
BS argument, and this does not in any shape or form change the VistaJet substandard Captain remuneration for the BD700 class segment. The taxation on remuneration earned at a other companies paying the average Captain pay of 140+K Euro/year would be under the same conditions as you describe, though the "take home" following your argument would be 12000 EUR/month, which is more or less standard on the G650/BD700 etc. segment. So, no, VJ is in this regard NOT attractive, and likely also why pilots are leaving when they can, and DEC only joining for the type rating, experience and the leave at opportunity. That´s just how the game is played.
I still tend to agree with their comment - 8000 EUR/month isn’t “bad” remuneration but still below industry standards. You just have to look at the average age and experience of a VJ pilot. Does age and experience make them bad pilots? No. It is a step into business aviation and exposure to flying unheard of in any other company. But, is VJ a career company that will hold these pilots? No. Get in, get the experience and get out.

There are already whispers of several pilots leaving in the next few months, good and experienced pilots. By all accounts, mainly Brits (high social security?¿!) and I suspect many more to go when they can in place of fresh, new crew happy to accept our conditions. For now, it works for me but only just. Am I looking elsewhere? Yes. We are working more than ever with little back from the company. The days of downtime and experience at destination are rapidly diminishing… the side that made it bearable. Sleep and food are now priority. If you have a family and value off time, this is not the place for you. If you want experience flying a modern business jet across the globe from international hubs to small private strips in the outback, hit that submit application button. What the VJ management sell you is what you get, it’s black and white with no bullsh*t promises.
whatsthewocl is offline  
Old 16th Feb 2022, 10:14
  #375 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: N/A
Posts: 18
Originally Posted by whatsthewocl View Post
I would agree with the above, although regardless of residential country, the salary is still below industry standard, especially, as you say on a 17/13 roster, no leave & training during off days etc. VistaJet don’t want pilots who prioritise working conditions and salary, they never have. They want pilots who are happy to accept these conditions in return to fly a modern biz jet for 17 days around the globe, three times.
I think everyone can agree that the salary is very low but the point is that many people receive money as if the salary was double (due to tax loop holes). Because of that there is no pressure on VJ to increase the salaries and as most people these days are employed in south Europe very few people have money as a problem. People join VJ as there is no other or very few other jobs around. When I worked for VJ several ex owner pilots joined and said the European owners market is not very good. But that was many years ago now but don't think it has changed that much.
Setting is offline  
Old 16th Feb 2022, 10:30
  #376 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: N/A
Posts: 18
Originally Posted by Klimax View Post
BS argument, and this does not in any shape or form change the VistaJet substandard Captain remuneration for the BD700 class segment. The taxation on remuneration earned at a other companies paying the average Captain pay of 140+K Euro/year would be under the same conditions as you describe, though the "take home" following your argument would be 12000 EUR/month, which is more or less standard on the G650/BD700 etc. segment. So, no, VJ is in this regard NOT attractive, and likely also why pilots are leaving when they can, and DEC only joining for the type rating, experience and the leave at opportunity. That´s just how the game is played.
I don't think you get the point. I've seen a lot of posts from you on this forum and all you do is to spit out negativity in every aspect. A hint, read up on the facts before you post next time. To start with you can read up on the taxation agreement between Austria and Malta. That would explain why you can't earn your 140K/year and still take home 12000 EUR/month with your usual management company employer (unless it's a Maltese) .
Setting is offline  
Old 16th Feb 2022, 11:38
  #377 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 5
Originally Posted by Setting View Post
I don't think you get the point. I've seen a lot of posts from you on this forum and all you do is to spit out negativity in every aspect. A hint, read up on the facts before you post next time. To start with you can read up on the taxation agreement between Austria and Malta. That would explain why you can't earn your 140K/year and still take home 12000 EUR/month with your usual management company employer (unless it's a Maltese) .
I think the point he’s making is that you can earn €140k elsewhere and STILL find a favourable tax system or agreement. For instance , there are ways of putting large amounts of that €140k into pensions without paying tax. Its not that difficult to be tax efficient.

VistaJet don’t pay enough , that’s very clear , but they don’t really hide that fact.
zuluzuluzulu is offline  
Old 16th Feb 2022, 13:53
  #378 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Utopia
Posts: 742
Originally Posted by Setting View Post
I don't think you get the point. I've seen a lot of posts from you on this forum and all you do is to spit out negativity in every aspect. A hint, read up on the facts before you post next time. To start with you can read up on the taxation agreement between Austria and Malta. That would explain why you can't earn your 140K/year and still take home 12000 EUR/month with your usual management company employer (unless it's a Maltese) .
You sound a bit inexperienced mate. Don´t be target fascinated with the country of employment.
Klimax is offline  
Old 17th Feb 2022, 14:23
  #379 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 39
The money in isolation isn't really a big problem, the whole package doesn't really line up with how little they're paying. Plenty of people are happy to do it though (for a while). Taxation issues are irrelevant, either the net pay is enough or it's not - no one is forcing you to take the job.
Boabity is offline  
Old 26th Feb 2022, 07:15
  #380 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Anywhere
Posts: 71
Through a bit of FR24 stalking, looks like 10-15% of VJs flights start or end in Russia. Thats gonna hurt for the foreseeable?
MonarchOrBust is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.