Vistajet? Latest news, anyone?!
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"VistaJet aircraft have an average age of 3 years and are covered under manufactures' warranty, meaning they perform better, faster and more efficiently"
Better (?), Faster(???) and more efficiently (????) because they are covered by a warranty - quite a few big leaps there old boy.
Better (?), Faster(???) and more efficiently (????) because they are covered by a warranty - quite a few big leaps there old boy.
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From: Eire/HK
Redtree wrote:
"Regarding your other comments, let me assure you that VistaJet continues to go from strength to strength. Their increasing market share and presence in the Global marketplace, reinforces this. NetJets might furnish the US and European markets, but beyond these contintents; they're absent. VistaJet is everywhere."
Most of the time without an AOC to operate in those countries!!
"Regarding your other comments, let me assure you that VistaJet continues to go from strength to strength. Their increasing market share and presence in the Global marketplace, reinforces this. NetJets might furnish the US and European markets, but beyond these contintents; they're absent. VistaJet is everywhere."
Most of the time without an AOC to operate in those countries!!
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From: UK
Treats their staff like Ryanair....
They really don't but they do work very hard to keep costs low. All fairly normal business practices really and the crews by in large are really fantastic people. One or two are merely really nice
. The problems that crew experience day to day, I imagine are not much different to anyone else.Ryanair charge you for your interview, accommodation, type rating, line training (because they don't pay you), uniform, coffee and they put you under pressure to keep fuel as low as possible to save money which results in a fair number of fuel emergencies (relatively). They treat the pilots like cattle and have little respect between departments (I believe) and generally make the working conditions kind of rubbish. They never seem to base you where you actually WANT to be and make no effort to put you there. They pay quite well once you are flying regularly on the line, you're a contractor as well, so that job isn't secure.
Vistajet do none of that although some pilots are contractors so that they can be tax efficient. All of this is a matter of public record and there's nothing new.
B200Drvr, noone is listening.
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From: UK
Redtree - what is this, some sort of sales pitch?
Could not agree with Phil Brockwell anymore...
"VistaJet aircraft have an average age of 3 years and are covered under manufactures' warranty, meaning they perform better, faster and more efficiently."
The company seems to have a massive chip on their shoulder and this kind of reply demonstrates just that… utter rubbish.
Could not agree with Phil Brockwell anymore...
"VistaJet aircraft have an average age of 3 years and are covered under manufactures' warranty, meaning they perform better, faster and more efficiently."
The company seems to have a massive chip on their shoulder and this kind of reply demonstrates just that… utter rubbish.
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From: Planet Earth
The company seems to have a massive chip on their shoulder and this kind of reply demonstrates just that… utter rubbish.
I think its the vast majority of participants on this thread who have a chip on their shoulder; happy to circulate rumour and make unsubstantiated claims regarding a company they know very little about.
Most of the time without an AOC to operate in those countries!!
Care to provide an example?
How many are there in the fleet at the moment?
32 aircraft in total, however, VistaJet have taken delivery of 50 aircraft. New replace old in order to keep the fleet young.
Better (?), Faster(???) and more efficiently (????) because they are covered by a warranty - quite a few big leaps there old boy.
Perhaps you misinterpret what I meant to convey Phil. My point was that a newer aircraft that has updated avionics and undergoes regular maintenance direct with the manufacturer, is far more appealing to a client than a 10 year old aircraft out of warranty. New aircraft are more desirable.
This company is full of bull!!!!! They promise you the world, but in the end you have nothing! I can tell based on my own experience
One opinion - doesn't reflect the attitude of the rest of the company. I work for VistaJet and I feel neither like a RyanAir employee nor have I been promised something that has not been delivered. Sorry you feel so aggrieved.
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From: Worldwide
Salary, perdiem, etc. are a joke, a sad joke
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Redtree.
Do I really need to name the countries? Are you just playing ignorant, or do you really believe that they operate everywhere in accordance to the requirements of the countries they operate in and out of!!
Do I really need to name the countries? Are you just playing ignorant, or do you really believe that they operate everywhere in accordance to the requirements of the countries they operate in and out of!!
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From: another place
Well for sure places like Nigeria will impound the aircraft if you are not playing by the rules and Russia, you can pay to avoid the cabotage issue as I understand.
There are many ways to do business, some are conservative and some close to the line but I can't believe they are flaunting the regulations everywhere as it just wouldn't be tolerated by the local operators and authorities.
D and F
There are many ways to do business, some are conservative and some close to the line but I can't believe they are flaunting the regulations everywhere as it just wouldn't be tolerated by the local operators and authorities.
D and F
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From: Canada
Guys, you can say how Vista sucks, you can say that 100 euro is minimum per diem (not true, almost all EU operators paying 50-80 Euro), you can say that they treating crews like a !!!!. This will change nothing.
It's their business, and for me it looks like very successful business model, which are working. And philosophy "Accept our rules or go to another company" is absolutely normal for such operators, I underline – absolutely.
Russians like to say – "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence", it's absolutely true. Each pilot, flight attendant will think that competitor is better, paying more and kissing crew's ass. It's not true. There drawbacks everywhere.
I have experience flying privately on one small company, which was asking to go max duty and was delaying salary for almost 2 months. In addition to that my roster was kind of 60 on / 15 off. After that Vista is looking absolutely good compare to what I have – salary paid on time, schedule works fine, new airplanes, interesting destinations.
So, my conclusion – sometimes you need to value what you have for the moment.
If you think that management sucks, everything sucks – go and open your own company, after you can do what you want, pay how you want e.t.c.
Happy landing!
It's their business, and for me it looks like very successful business model, which are working. And philosophy "Accept our rules or go to another company" is absolutely normal for such operators, I underline – absolutely.
Russians like to say – "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence", it's absolutely true. Each pilot, flight attendant will think that competitor is better, paying more and kissing crew's ass. It's not true. There drawbacks everywhere.
I have experience flying privately on one small company, which was asking to go max duty and was delaying salary for almost 2 months. In addition to that my roster was kind of 60 on / 15 off. After that Vista is looking absolutely good compare to what I have – salary paid on time, schedule works fine, new airplanes, interesting destinations.
So, my conclusion – sometimes you need to value what you have for the moment.
If you think that management sucks, everything sucks – go and open your own company, after you can do what you want, pay how you want e.t.c.
Happy landing!
Last edited by vodka_gorbachev; 28th January 2014 at 20:10.
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From: bespin, the cloud city
If you think that management sucks, everything sucks – go and open your own company, after you can do what you want, pay how you want e.t.c.
"The glass is always greener on the other side of the fence", it's absolutely true.
PZ
