LEA Redundancies?
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Originally Posted by Wacked
Hopefully this global recession slows the army of recruits comming through Oxford and such places for a few years. There's just too many pilots paying £80k for a frozen ATPL and then forcing the salaries down.
Harsh but fair.
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Hang on a minute! I wasn't having a go at Phil directly at all, although some were, I was merely stating an opinion, and I wasn't being touchy either, as His Dudeness puts it. Phil is right, he knows what he's talking about when it comes to managing a company, that's quite clear, but I can see why some took it personally, that's all.
I haven't been made redundant...yet...and if I am in the future, I don't suppose I'll find it an easier pill to swallow because my sacrifice might save a company which no longer feeds me, due to harsh economic fact.
Flintstone, hear hear.
I haven't been made redundant...yet...and if I am in the future, I don't suppose I'll find it an easier pill to swallow because my sacrifice might save a company which no longer feeds me, due to harsh economic fact.
Flintstone, hear hear.
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It should be a 'State of the Nation' forum not under an LEA banner
I fully support what Phil has said. Those who whinge don't know him
He has busted his guts out for so many years, been through many recessions and given solid training and jobs to many pilots, engineers,suppliers and operations staff. He made money in the good times and re-invested it in the company, others didn't.
If he is now trimming his operation to meet the potential, not actual, demand then he will once again be there when the recession is over after I anticipate at least 2 years of re-alignment.
I admire the pilot that paid for the fuel to get home, a big +++ on any cv
(but money in the bank would be better).
If Phil and others don't take action now they won't be there. It is tough for all of us, it is a cyclic business with no sure outcome, the whingers knew that when they chose aviation over other career paths.
He has busted his guts out for so many years, been through many recessions and given solid training and jobs to many pilots, engineers,suppliers and operations staff. He made money in the good times and re-invested it in the company, others didn't.
If he is now trimming his operation to meet the potential, not actual, demand then he will once again be there when the recession is over after I anticipate at least 2 years of re-alignment.
I admire the pilot that paid for the fuel to get home, a big +++ on any cv
(but money in the bank would be better).If Phil and others don't take action now they won't be there. It is tough for all of us, it is a cyclic business with no sure outcome, the whingers knew that when they chose aviation over other career paths.
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What is this thread about??????
HOLY SH.................T
Who is this thread about, Phil Brockwell or news about LEA???
I am not on this thread to read about everyone blowing smoke up Phil's a......s but to read news about LEA
Lets try keep it that way.
Who is this thread about, Phil Brockwell or news about LEA???
I am not on this thread to read about everyone blowing smoke up Phil's a......s but to read news about LEA
Lets try keep it that way.
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The pilot that paid for fuel to get home did it 3 times because he didnt want to let customers down. One of those times was to get home from Canada. Now he's looking at losing his house because the company has gone bust and he can't get another job. He's also got a training provider trying to sue him personally for course fees that his company didnt pay.
he's a dumb sh*t
he's a dumb sh*t
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There are lots of rumours about the company at the moment both within LEA itself and from outside sources. There are lots of uncertainties of the future of the company as no one is being told. Yes there are redundancies, 3 EMB135 CPTS, 2 FOs, 1 C550 CPT, 2 FOs, 1 King Air CPT, 1 Accounts staff and 3 Ops Staff.
The Mustangs are not really picking up any work at all, With lots if crew not flying on that fleet. The King Airs rarely fly now with very little medical work which LEA seemed to have lost over time.
The Falcon and the Legacy (G-WCCI) are mainly with owners and have done less than a handfull of charters between them this month.
The Citation IIs pratically died months ago with one aircraft not even feeling air under its wing this month.
So yes, At the moment there are lots of issues with the company but am assured that the company will be ok through the bad times ahead with no more redundancies planned. Saying this, Just had a text from one of thier crew hinting that there are more pilots to go but as I said, Rumours.
Moral in the company is very low with even the bounciest of people very quiet now. I have been told that two of the Ops staff have found other employment, One with an airline in EDI and one in ZRH (Flying the Airbus). One of the EMB Cpts going to DXB and one to South Africa. Two crew hit 65 this year also so would of left anyway.
I am thinking that the management took every staff member on a credit system and in a way tried to help them all out.
The Mustangs are not really picking up any work at all, With lots if crew not flying on that fleet. The King Airs rarely fly now with very little medical work which LEA seemed to have lost over time.
The Falcon and the Legacy (G-WCCI) are mainly with owners and have done less than a handfull of charters between them this month.
The Citation IIs pratically died months ago with one aircraft not even feeling air under its wing this month.
So yes, At the moment there are lots of issues with the company but am assured that the company will be ok through the bad times ahead with no more redundancies planned. Saying this, Just had a text from one of thier crew hinting that there are more pilots to go but as I said, Rumours.
Moral in the company is very low with even the bounciest of people very quiet now. I have been told that two of the Ops staff have found other employment, One with an airline in EDI and one in ZRH (Flying the Airbus). One of the EMB Cpts going to DXB and one to South Africa. Two crew hit 65 this year also so would of left anyway.
I am thinking that the management took every staff member on a credit system and in a way tried to help them all out.
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STOP knocking LEA, they are head and shoulders above most other operators in Europe. How about discussing the fortunes of other BizJet opertors instead. It was not LEA's fault that 2 Legacy owners sold thier planes at a premuim. end of thread.
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"It should be a 'State of the Nation' forum not under an LEA banner" - Hear Hear !!
Well said Bacon -
I've tried to hold back but must say there is alot of crap on his thread , Im surprised its still dragging its arse.
I feel for the guys that have been made redundant, its not nice times and emotions are running high. At the end of the day it has come about beause of part overcrewing during busy times, loss of two managed aircraft, time of year and a down turn in the market. Everyone has been affected. End of!!
Lots of companies are making redundancies, not just airlines, in all walks of life. Surely this is a form of proactive management to continue business. Companies gain size and down size with the markets, thats economics! Welcome to the start of a deep recession.
Good look to all the staff that have had to move on. I believe 'Most' have been told they would like to be taken back on if and when the work picks up, all have been paid redundancy, no one shafted but no job guaranteed for life is it?
If an ops 'guy?' has got a job flying an Airbus in Zurich when experienced rated pilots can't find work i'd eat my hat (once they are sat in the seat!), haha. Thought you needed a Commercial and an Instrument Rating first
Let alone speak Ze German fluently !!
CV
I've tried to hold back but must say there is alot of crap on his thread , Im surprised its still dragging its arse.
I feel for the guys that have been made redundant, its not nice times and emotions are running high. At the end of the day it has come about beause of part overcrewing during busy times, loss of two managed aircraft, time of year and a down turn in the market. Everyone has been affected. End of!!
Lots of companies are making redundancies, not just airlines, in all walks of life. Surely this is a form of proactive management to continue business. Companies gain size and down size with the markets, thats economics! Welcome to the start of a deep recession.
Good look to all the staff that have had to move on. I believe 'Most' have been told they would like to be taken back on if and when the work picks up, all have been paid redundancy, no one shafted but no job guaranteed for life is it?
If an ops 'guy?' has got a job flying an Airbus in Zurich when experienced rated pilots can't find work i'd eat my hat (once they are sat in the seat!), haha. Thought you needed a Commercial and an Instrument Rating first
Let alone speak Ze German fluently !!CV
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I am very happy at LEA..my moral is not low, I love my job and I am very proud to be part of the team.
The company needed to streamline, end of. Thats what they have done. No point paying a salary to someone sat at home doing nowt. Seems sensible to me, they are not a charity but a business and a successful one at that!
The company needed to streamline, end of. Thats what they have done. No point paying a salary to someone sat at home doing nowt. Seems sensible to me, they are not a charity but a business and a successful one at that!
ECON cruise, LR cruise...
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Quite a few new regs - and none of them in LEA-colours. And most of the business is far from the UK, so not surprising you've got fewer "spots" 
Large-cabin resilient, the smaller stuff hasn't picked up quite as well yet.
Large-cabin resilient, the smaller stuff hasn't picked up quite as well yet.
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LEA
I have enjoyed reading all the threads about this company and, in particular, the threads from individual p pruners that claim to know something about LEA and the industry in general. !
I am not going to waste my time posting a counterclaim to some of you 'wouldbees' 'wannabees' and 'neverwillbees'.... but, to stop the idle chit chat....
LEA is one of the strongest operators in the industry. They will survive the current economic crisis and will continue to be one of the most respected and envied charter operators out there.
I respect those who take the time to research the subject properly and, especially those who actually know what there talking about.
I am not going to waste my time posting a counterclaim to some of you 'wouldbees' 'wannabees' and 'neverwillbees'.... but, to stop the idle chit chat....
LEA is one of the strongest operators in the industry. They will survive the current economic crisis and will continue to be one of the most respected and envied charter operators out there.
I respect those who take the time to research the subject properly and, especially those who actually know what there talking about.
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Re LEA
I must say they are one of the most respected Operator they have been operating for some considerable time and continue to give good service to there customers
They will survive
And no I do not work for LEA
I must say they are one of the most respected Operator they have been operating for some considerable time and continue to give good service to there customers
They will survive
And no I do not work for LEA
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Careful LJ50, you'll have Duck trying to sell you advertising space.........
Back to the thread, our company have used LEA a couple of times with no problems whatsoever.
(I don't work for LEA either)
Back to the thread, our company have used LEA a couple of times with no problems whatsoever.
(I don't work for LEA either)