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Be careful if you are considering comming here. I plan on leaving in a month or so. There seems to be 2 standards here. The Chief Pilots standards and other management standards. Since the new Chief Pilot has arrived, things have gone from good to bad. He thinks of himeself as a King, changing whatever rules he does not like. Unless you are on his buddy list, you will get treated like a nobody.
A Captain who is also a Check Airman on the Gulfstream fleet was caught trying to smuggle in wine in a thrumos into Saudi Arabia. He should have been fired on the spot, but insted the company did nothing but give him a slap on the wrist and told him to never do it again. The Saudi customs agents wanted to send him back to the U.S., but the company talked them out of deporting him out of Saudi Arabia. He is still a check airman, who should set higher standards for all, I am sure if NAS found out what happened, he would have been fired.
Then they have pilots who call in sick or fatigue once, and they are let go. So, hence the 2 standards, either you are on the buddy list or you are not.
Attrition is very high now, many managers, pilots, and F/A's have left within recent months, that should tell you something about working here
Plus, getting paid on time is still a huge issue
If you want more details about what is going on here, PM me
Good luck if you plan on working here
A Captain who is also a Check Airman on the Gulfstream fleet was caught trying to smuggle in wine in a thrumos into Saudi Arabia. He should have been fired on the spot, but insted the company did nothing but give him a slap on the wrist and told him to never do it again. The Saudi customs agents wanted to send him back to the U.S., but the company talked them out of deporting him out of Saudi Arabia. He is still a check airman, who should set higher standards for all, I am sure if NAS found out what happened, he would have been fired.
Then they have pilots who call in sick or fatigue once, and they are let go. So, hence the 2 standards, either you are on the buddy list or you are not.
Attrition is very high now, many managers, pilots, and F/A's have left within recent months, that should tell you something about working here
Plus, getting paid on time is still a huge issue
If you want more details about what is going on here, PM me
Good luck if you plan on working here
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Not so, you have not got your stories straight now have you? you are telling a bit of a one sided version, are you not? Amazing how things can be twisted to suit one. If you dont like it leave, but then maybe you have already!!!
It shows your substance that you choose to air your dirty laundry. Everybody that works there knows the truth, you are not doing yourself any favours here.
It shows your substance that you choose to air your dirty laundry. Everybody that works there knows the truth, you are not doing yourself any favours here.
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I have no reason to go into it on the forum, it was dealt with in the company. Nothing to say but that what has been said is not the truth. As for it being a good or bad company, thats for individual experiences to decide. It is far better than most, they all have good and bad points, some things suit some people, and some people think they are bigger than the suits.
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Well B200, you can lie to everyone and tell prople that this did not happen but we all received the e-mail from the D.O. about this incident, I still have the copy, it did not list the name of the pilot who smuggled Wine into the Kingdom, but it was easy to find out, people talk including the Chief Pilot, The Pilot who smuggled wine into Saudi is a G-IV Captain/Check airman, his initials are...., and the e-mail from the D.O. stated that he was demoted and with a pay reduction, that is Bull, since he is still here, and doing the same job, how is that fair to all of the other pilots? If any one of us did this we would not have received the same deal, we would have been fired, I bet that if NAS management found out about this incident, he would have been fired, like I said, you are either on the Buddy list or you are not, you must be a buddy list pilot, or management, I would bet you are management since you defend the company so much.
And yes, this place is a DUMP, no doubt I made a mistake comming here
Good luck, people should know the truth about what happens here and how things are handled.
Edited by Duck. No names or even initials, comprendez?
And yes, this place is a DUMP, no doubt I made a mistake comming here
Good luck, people should know the truth about what happens here and how things are handled.
Edited by Duck. No names or even initials, comprendez?
Sami, ever been in a company where there is not a buddy list? No I did not think so. I would bet the indiscretion list is a lot longer by many more people, but that’s not for this place now is it
Honestly like all companies there issues that need dealing with, but this year my money has hit the bank every month, its much better now this per diem is flat rated every month. Operations were decimated last year and the wealth of experience was lost, yes there issues hence the email from “The Don” the other day, what prompted it I have NFI but that’s life in the sandpit.
With regard $$$ what is a couple days here and there when there really are only 3 common working days between the Kingdom and the Real World per week. So really only 12 days a month where things may happen quickly…. “MAY” is the operative word
Believe me it gets a lot worse. B200 is right on the money if you ask me.
You have to ask yourself, why do people come? Why have some including a national transferred from Big Brother?
If its not to you taste then vote with your feet, its not North America, it is 1429 don’t forget. I am sure there are plenty of jobs awaiting back home……….. (err well maybe not).
Find me another job that I work 7 months a year and net as much, most of my friends work 10 times as hard, for substantially less and get a total of 6 weeks leave which half the time they cant book when they want.
NJME is not perfect by any means but it is better than a lot of places.
Honestly like all companies there issues that need dealing with, but this year my money has hit the bank every month, its much better now this per diem is flat rated every month. Operations were decimated last year and the wealth of experience was lost, yes there issues hence the email from “The Don” the other day, what prompted it I have NFI but that’s life in the sandpit.
With regard $$$ what is a couple days here and there when there really are only 3 common working days between the Kingdom and the Real World per week. So really only 12 days a month where things may happen quickly…. “MAY” is the operative word
Believe me it gets a lot worse. B200 is right on the money if you ask me.
You have to ask yourself, why do people come? Why have some including a national transferred from Big Brother?
If its not to you taste then vote with your feet, its not North America, it is 1429 don’t forget. I am sure there are plenty of jobs awaiting back home……….. (err well maybe not).
Find me another job that I work 7 months a year and net as much, most of my friends work 10 times as hard, for substantially less and get a total of 6 weeks leave which half the time they cant book when they want.
NJME is not perfect by any means but it is better than a lot of places.
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Err, 200Drvr, I would draw your attention to the warning at the bottom of the page -
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with the caution that a first-time poster (such as WINJA) might just not be an uninvolved party in this matter.
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As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions.
]*"sciolist"... Noun, archaic. "a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well informed".
with the caution that a first-time poster (such as WINJA) might just not be an uninvolved party in this matter.
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Rise to the occasion? are you kidding? So you think that a pilot who tries to smuggle alcohol in the Kingdom rose to the occasion? You think that he set a high standard of professionalism and competency as you state the Chief Pilot Demands? If you think that the Chief pilot is Direct and Practical, how do you explain him not firing this pilot? He is also a check airman, someone who should set higher standards than others, yet he remains a check airman and maintains employed, even in the US this pilot would have been fired, no second chance, he not only broke Saudi law, and got away with it, but set a poor example in that he was able to break the law and still stay employed.
Hence why many see 2 clubs, the buddy club, and the non-buddy club
Hence why many see 2 clubs, the buddy club, and the non-buddy club
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Poor Samishark
My first visit to pprune in a looong time and what a dissapointment.
I personally know 6 guys working at NJME - four of whom have been there for over six years and two have been there for eighteen months. Various fleets and various seats. A mixture of airline backgrounds and corporate backgrounds.
I am in touch regularly with five of them. They are all more than happy with NJME. They have the usual gripes as most people with a brain would have when they are an 'employee', but all in all they are very contented with the operation and the lifestyle it affords.
I would suggest the opinion of five long term guys as opposed to one despondant employee would have to override my general opinion of the place.
It really is a shame to see such bitterness out there.
Samishark - your clearly aggressive manner on this forum betrays your personality . I would be guessing you'll never be happy with your Employer as there is probably a little too much pent up anger there. Chill buddy.
Have you considered applying to Emirates? You'd probably slot in nicely.
Hi to my buddies there at NJME and good to hear you're all making the most of life. Enjoy your months OFF!
(Interesting to note that the posts re NJME are very few and far between. Perhaps their employees are just too busy enjoying life....food for thought).
I personally know 6 guys working at NJME - four of whom have been there for over six years and two have been there for eighteen months. Various fleets and various seats. A mixture of airline backgrounds and corporate backgrounds.
I am in touch regularly with five of them. They are all more than happy with NJME. They have the usual gripes as most people with a brain would have when they are an 'employee', but all in all they are very contented with the operation and the lifestyle it affords.
I would suggest the opinion of five long term guys as opposed to one despondant employee would have to override my general opinion of the place.
It really is a shame to see such bitterness out there.
Samishark - your clearly aggressive manner on this forum betrays your personality . I would be guessing you'll never be happy with your Employer as there is probably a little too much pent up anger there. Chill buddy.
Have you considered applying to Emirates? You'd probably slot in nicely.
Hi to my buddies there at NJME and good to hear you're all making the most of life. Enjoy your months OFF!
(Interesting to note that the posts re NJME are very few and far between. Perhaps their employees are just too busy enjoying life....food for thought).
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Aren't people entitled to their opinions? Why everyone so critical? This is an informational forum. Let people gripe if they want - you don't have to even look at the post. If Samishark don't like it he don't like it. Move on...
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I agree, I don't work there but know of several Hawker and Gulfstream guys who do work there. Some say it is an O.K. place, but a bunch of my friends mention that it is not that great of a place. I am told of high attrition, poor management, and even many crews who can't get along with each other during a flight. I was even told of this situation, and the guys that I spoke with all said that he should have been fired for what he did. It does not matter how great of a pilot you are, if you break a law, then their are penalties, and getting fired is one of them. I was told that the only reason he still has his job is because he is a Check Airman, and they are short on those any ways. All in all, if someone wants to tell others what goes on in a company then so what, that is what this board is all about, it allows people to find out what go's on before you end up some place you would not want to be at.
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Thats what this site is all about, for people to air out the dirty laundry of others, it is what makes this site more exciting, and also a way to learn what goes on in a company before you decide to join it. Just deal with it
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Wrong....
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"...for people to air out the dirty laundry of others, it is what makes this site more exciting, and also a way to learn what goes on in a company before you decide to join it. Just deal with it."
I feel sorry for you if you have to use a site like this to "...air out the dirty laundry of others..." or find exitement.
Guys that use a site like this to air their dirty laundry do not have the guts to go and face the person they have a problem with. They rather use a faceless and anonymous forum to effectively commit a rather nasty form of character assasination without having to own up to what they are doing.
If a pilot has such a big problem with an organisation or person in an organisation, he/she should just leave.
"...for people to air out the dirty laundry of others, it is what makes this site more exciting, and also a way to learn what goes on in a company before you decide to join it. Just deal with it."
I feel sorry for you if you have to use a site like this to "...air out the dirty laundry of others..." or find exitement.
Guys that use a site like this to air their dirty laundry do not have the guts to go and face the person they have a problem with. They rather use a faceless and anonymous forum to effectively commit a rather nasty form of character assasination without having to own up to what they are doing.
If a pilot has such a big problem with an organisation or person in an organisation, he/she should just leave.
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I agree that you should face who you don't like, but this site is all about being anonymous, if we had to use our real names on this site, then les people would be here, and this site does not allow the use of names anyways.
I doubt that your real name is "Request FL510"? Again, that is what this site is all about, it is a message board, people can talk about any topic they want on this site, some more constructive than others, I would not have gone this route, but I don't fault the guy either, none of us know the whole story, and it is his way of expressing his displeasure of the situation, now others know what happened at his company, and others can make comments, I know one thing, at my company, if one of our pilots tried to smuggle alcohol into a country that bans it, he would not get to keep his job, he would have been fired, it kind of makes no sense why the management at NJME decided to keep him as well as let him stay on as a check airman as if he did nothing wrong, it sends the wrong message to everyone else.
I doubt that your real name is "Request FL510"? Again, that is what this site is all about, it is a message board, people can talk about any topic they want on this site, some more constructive than others, I would not have gone this route, but I don't fault the guy either, none of us know the whole story, and it is his way of expressing his displeasure of the situation, now others know what happened at his company, and others can make comments, I know one thing, at my company, if one of our pilots tried to smuggle alcohol into a country that bans it, he would not get to keep his job, he would have been fired, it kind of makes no sense why the management at NJME decided to keep him as well as let him stay on as a check airman as if he did nothing wrong, it sends the wrong message to everyone else.
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NJME
I've just been invited for interview there.
Used to work in the middle east but not been there for a few years.
I had some buddies that used to work there but they're all gone now.
It's hard to make a decision when there's so much conflicting information.
If you do work there - anyone! - I'd love to get a PM about the job.
Thanks in advance if you can.
Used to work in the middle east but not been there for a few years.
I had some buddies that used to work there but they're all gone now.
It's hard to make a decision when there's so much conflicting information.
If you do work there - anyone! - I'd love to get a PM about the job.
Thanks in advance if you can.