Netjets Interview In Paris - Need Help!!!
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Oh really? So the troops based in France, Germany, Scandinavia etc finally accepted that they will be paying 60-90% tax? Well I never. Netjets must be such a truly wonderful place to work that the crew are happy paying tax in two countries. I wish I had a job like that
I hope things DO improve. After all the **** people have put up with there over the years they deserve something better. The flying's good though. So much so even the bosses are finally having a go. Shame they'll be sheltered from a 'real' NJE day out, eh?
I hope things DO improve. After all the **** people have put up with there over the years they deserve something better. The flying's good though. So much so even the bosses are finally having a go. Shame they'll be sheltered from a 'real' NJE day out, eh?
No they did not accept, you know french and money it is like our wine and cheese (do not touch it).
The problems will surface in April next year, when nothing would match, ( End of UK fiscal year, god knows status in Portugal, and 2 months late for the french authorities), THEN we will see interesting times. HOWEVER, the company is working on solving the issues that it faces today; there is a strong heritage to deal with, and it has to start from one end.
I have to say, that the normal day is easier nowadays than 4 years ago, and having a 'go' outside would not show them the amount of pressure when things get chaotic a little
. Some people are leaving on these grounds, where others are waiting for the outcome, anyway, it is the only place on 6/5 with choice of base and fixed roster; as long as this outweight everything else, NetJets Staff Management is in good shape...
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True, and you don t live anywhere in Europe anymore there is only a few gateways now, you cannot live in greece or scandinavia anymore , they open edinbourough and airports in scotland closer to RAF airbases to target those guys and in Poland or tchek republic i flew with our first Lituanien FO and he is very very happy about the contract so it seems that netjets is going East to fill the empty seats.
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...lituanian?! good. but let's try chinese instead. They will be even more happy with a 30 ON/1 OFF contract and for less than half the price of a lituanian and paid in dollar.
Youhou, what a great outlook.
Men, sorry but I could not wait to see that.
Always remember 1thing with netjets: if things improve, it might not last for long. You are happy with the 6/5, fine ...but I already had it in my contract when I joined more than 3years ago!
Netjets is good to get experience but avoid long term, you would be disappointed.
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Youhou, what a great outlook.
Men, sorry but I could not wait to see that.
Always remember 1thing with netjets: if things improve, it might not last for long. You are happy with the 6/5, fine ...but I already had it in my contract when I joined more than 3years ago!
Netjets is good to get experience but avoid long term, you would be disappointed.
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let's try chinese instead...................Youhou
Always remember 1thing with netjets: if things improve, it might not last for long. You are happy with the 6/5, fine ...but I already had it in my contract when I joined more than 3years ago!
Unfortunately I have a few problems. A few years ago for example I had to stop losing money so I thought I would make the crew work harder. Change their roster from the contracted 6/5 and have them work more days a month. Sure, they'll bitch and I'll lose a couple but the net result will be more flying hours per crewmember and that will offset the cost of replacing those who resign. I forced the new arrangement on them, after all there was nothing they could do as their contracts were worthless, and got away with it for a few years. Certainly long enough to recoup the extra training costs but after a while they began bitching that I was flogging them too hard.
So I gave them back their 6/5 and looked for another way to squeeze them. Now fortunately my crew are scattered across Europe which, despite what the EU would have you believe, is a fractured mess. I've been using this to my advantage for a few years so why not do it again? I'm going to have to give them something but I'm damned if I will do it until I have to so I'll pay a fancy consultancy to come in and conduct a survey. I doubt I'll pay much attention to what they tell me because I already know what my crew want and I'm ignoring them already but I shall make sure they drag the process out to buy me a few more months. During that time the experienced crew can train up the new hires (I'll need to ramp up the recruitment process) so that when people catch on to what I'm up to and resign I'll have enough crew to take up the slack.
That worked, and I'm now ready for the next stage. These annoying people want me to make their employment legitimate, tax and pensions sort of thing. Now this is a biggie, if I get this wrong I could lose a lot of crew so here's what I'll do. I'll fabricate something like a tri-lateral agreement and impose ANOTHER new contract. It won't hold up under scrutiny but it doesn't really have to because what I'm again is casting my bait and judging the response. I shall give it a nice long lead in time with a deadline of, say, December. I will carefully watch the rate of resignations and if the buggers start to become organised and set up a union I will have to do something else. In the meantime though it's buying me time and saving me lots of money.
All purely theoretical of course and any resemblance to actual events is entirely coincidental
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NO NO flinstone, Norwegian is right, with netjets you can live wherever you want...but if you want to live in scandinavia you will make as much money as a part time waitress in a bar. Although customers will be allowed to give her a tip.
Netjets is great they leave you the choice!...What do you prefer the rope or the gun for your suicide?
Netjets is great they leave you the choice!...What do you prefer the rope or the gun for your suicide?
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in scandinavia you will make as much money as a part time waitress in a bar. Although customers will be allowed to give her a tip.
You know, that always bugged me (that and about a hundred other things). The owners being told not to tip us. What the hell is all that about?
In six years with Netjets I think I got about eight tips. Nowadays though it's different
The drinks are on me!!!I'm sorry, was that in poor taste?
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Sorry but on the list of gateways there is no more Helsinki, oslo, gotenborg only Copenhagen survived, Athens used to be a gateway its not anymore, so don t said anywhere when only 20 gateways are open in Europe, try to live in valencia or florence .....but Prague is ok...
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This is one of the main argument I had when I left. You can not play with someone who keep changing the rules as the game goes.
I did not know those gateways had disappeared. They probably simply removed them because they know it is worthless hiring scandinavian anymore. They just keep copenhagen to keep the face.
I did not know those gateways had disappeared. They probably simply removed them because they know it is worthless hiring scandinavian anymore. They just keep copenhagen to keep the face.
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Oslo, Sandefjord, Stockholm, Gøteborg and København is open as gateways. Both Norway and Sweden has a dual taxation agreement with Portugal so theres no double taxes. ie. 32% total tax and thats it. I dont know about Denmark.
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Its gone be interesting how you gone explained you tax authority that you have an English contract payslip in Pounds and pay tax in Euros in portugal>>> tell me, which bilateral agreement do you use ? Sueden England ? Sueden Portugal ? where is your Portuguese contract then? Sueden England ? why do you pay tax in portugal then ? because head quatter in portugal ? ok, why don t you have a Portuguese contract then? 
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"Oslo, Sandefjord, Stockholm, Gøteborg and København is open as gateways."
Are all of them still available? The web site only specifies Oslo, Stockholm, and Copenhagen. Not Sandefjord an Gothenburg. Is the web site info wrong?
Are all of them still available? The web site only specifies Oslo, Stockholm, and Copenhagen. Not Sandefjord an Gothenburg. Is the web site info wrong?
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I know of NJE pilots in all the above mentioned bases. If they are there I guess its possible more pax can live there..
If you are Norwegian or Swedish and work for an international company, regardless of wich(NJE, Global Jet... internet chip international) and in the contract you must pay incometax to the country of your companys HQ, in NJE`s case Portugal and UK(social security), both mentioned countrys have a bilateral tax argeement that prevents dual taxation. Just contact your local tax agent and get the facts instead of waisting time here speculating.
cheers.
If you are Norwegian or Swedish and work for an international company, regardless of wich(NJE, Global Jet... internet chip international) and in the contract you must pay incometax to the country of your companys HQ, in NJE`s case Portugal and UK(social security), both mentioned countrys have a bilateral tax argeement that prevents dual taxation. Just contact your local tax agent and get the facts instead of waisting time here speculating.
cheers.
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norwegian pilot I know of NJE pilots in all the above mentioned bases. If they are there I guess its possible more pax can live there..
If you are Norwegian or Swedish and work for an international company, regardless of wich(NJE, Global Jet... internet chip international) and in the contract you must pay incometax to the country of your companys HQ, in NJE`s case Portugal and UK(social security), both mentioned countrys have a bilateral tax argeement that prevents dual taxation. Just contact your local tax agent and get the facts instead of waisting time here speculating.
cheers.
If you are Norwegian or Swedish and work for an international company, regardless of wich(NJE, Global Jet... internet chip international) and in the contract you must pay incometax to the country of your companys HQ, in NJE`s case Portugal and UK(social security), both mentioned countrys have a bilateral tax argeement that prevents dual taxation. Just contact your local tax agent and get the facts instead of waisting time here speculating.
cheers.
You are rehearsing the company position well, HOWEVER, the double taxation agreement is valid only between 2 countries, the HQ is not mentionned in the double taxes agreement, ONLY the 'EFFECTIVE' control of the company ( to prevent mail-boxes companies in tax Heaven). Where are the customers contracts signed with ? Where are the Pilots coming from ? Where are the Sales publicised from ? , Read the brochures, NTA is the charter operation of Netjets. Do not get lured by the fact that everybody is calling himself Netjets...
You will find that your LOCAL tax agent is not high enough in the ranking to approve such an operation, or statement, this is to an European level. It is very clearly written in the european law and various agreement, before being so pedantic, you should rehassess the problem on a large scale. ( The very famous BIG picture)
For the time being , if you are not on an UK-based contract, a Portuguese contract, OR the Isle of Man contract, you are not legal.
The IOM contract isl egal, based on the External Services from UK; the only thing is that you have to declare yourself as self-employed in your home country and pay the correct taxes on it; the fact that some people did not do it at times, does not void this contract, nor the company behaviour. Most of the seniors pilots did their homework in their respective countries, today we will not be able to handle the year 2008, BECAUSE we will be TRIPLED taxed to a Level of 90% !!!!!! The New guys will be DOUBLE taxed !!!
This is not speculation these are facts, coming from various IRS in Europe, and documented.
You are mentionning Global Jet as an example, If you are LUX based, you will be paying your taxes in LUX but why would you pay your taxes in Moscow ?
Do not mistake my position, I'm more a pro-company than anybody else, but along the years it is time to grow up and not repeating the US scheme all together. We can do it right, so Just Do It !