Netjets (Europe) Interviews - All you need to know about it (threads merged)
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Has Netjets ever been known to employ anyone over 45? Or even 40?
Does Netjets have a policy against recruiting older pilots? I speak to friends with (what they imagine to be) exactly the right bizjet/customer service/airline experience, and they never hear anything in reply to their CV. Perhaps they should try again, and "accidentally" enter a younger age?
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Well i am a little older than 45.
I have applied everytime the ad goes in.
You know something? I managed to extract a reply, this time around. Only the once, but it was a reply.
Cant ask for any more than that, can we?
No, my services were not required.
I have applied everytime the ad goes in.
You know something? I managed to extract a reply, this time around. Only the once, but it was a reply.
Cant ask for any more than that, can we?
No, my services were not required.
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Of the seven candidates that attended the Tuesday morning interviews at Gatwick, three were OVER 50 !!!
I guess they wouldn't bother to interview them if they weren't prepared to employ "over 45s" would they ???
P.S. I am not a Netjets employee !!
I guess they wouldn't bother to interview them if they weren't prepared to employ "over 45s" would they ???
P.S. I am not a Netjets employee !!
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According to a Netjets executive at a recent tribunal, Netjets has no assets nor any presence in the UK. This meant the UK tribunal had no jurisdiction over NJE and therefore were unable to make an award to the ex employee, despite the fact that the tribunal found in favour of the ex employee!
Perhaps the tribunal can be reconvened if NJE do have a presence in the UK.
Would the NJE executive in question be quilty of contempt if he knowingly LIED to the tribunal?
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Perhaps the tribunal can be reconvened if NJE do have a presence in the UK.
Would the NJE executive in question be quilty of contempt if he knowingly LIED to the tribunal?
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AIRWAY
if what you say is true then you are confirming that one of your bosses in Lisbon did knowingly attempt to mislead the industrial tribunal.
That would be an offence and make him liable to prosecution.
NJE claim to have zero presence in Europe when it comes to legal matters. Bear that in mind if you ever are in conflict with them!
if what you say is true then you are confirming that one of your bosses in Lisbon did knowingly attempt to mislead the industrial tribunal.
That would be an offence and make him liable to prosecution.
NJE claim to have zero presence in Europe when it comes to legal matters. Bear that in mind if you ever are in conflict with them!
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'zero presence in Europe '
Its does seem astonishing that with Portuguese registration, a Portuguese ops set up, employing several hundred Europeans, that any Company can claim to have a zero presence in Europe .
Maybe bluesafrica with all that understanding and wisdom could enlighten us ? or anyone else for that matter.........
Maybe bluesafrica with all that understanding and wisdom could enlighten us ? or anyone else for that matter.........
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' based in Portugal '
Another every so slightly telling statement about a presence in Europe may just be -
a quotation from this very thread ..
"The company is based in Portugal. If you are looking for a pilot job, try:
[email protected]
Pilot Recruitment
Netjets
Avenida Das Descobertas
Galerias Alto Da Barra Piso 4
2780 053
Oeiras
PORTUGAL
Fax: +351 21 446 8455 "
from non other than that master of getting personal, mike jenvey
Thanks for that info Mike, great stuff.
a quotation from this very thread ..
"The company is based in Portugal. If you are looking for a pilot job, try:
[email protected]
Pilot Recruitment
Netjets
Avenida Das Descobertas
Galerias Alto Da Barra Piso 4
2780 053
Oeiras
PORTUGAL
Fax: +351 21 446 8455 "
from non other than that master of getting personal, mike jenvey
Thanks for that info Mike, great stuff.
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Dear Activewaypoint,
You should know that Portuguese flag is not a flag of convinience. I happen to know something from Portuguese Authorities and they are as competent as anyone else in EU. Please, rest assured that all NJE airplanes are properly insured and they are denitively in better position to stand behind their product than any other European Air Taxi operator today.
The fact still remains that without NJE, Europe was having several 1-2 old airplane operators using mainly free lance pilots.
I am afraid that the fact is that it is commercially not possible or feasable to operate with modern airplanes in Europe. Period.
NJE economics must be based also for the fact that they do need operation in Europe to support existing customers from US as well as some European customers that do not like to fly with those " Fredīs Friendly Air Service" airplanes because they can have a brand new jet and properly trained crew for the same money.
Well , thatīs it and it wouldnīt help if pilotīs keep crying good old times back... Thatīs why I like to retire too!
Blues
You should know that Portuguese flag is not a flag of convinience. I happen to know something from Portuguese Authorities and they are as competent as anyone else in EU. Please, rest assured that all NJE airplanes are properly insured and they are denitively in better position to stand behind their product than any other European Air Taxi operator today.
The fact still remains that without NJE, Europe was having several 1-2 old airplane operators using mainly free lance pilots.
I am afraid that the fact is that it is commercially not possible or feasable to operate with modern airplanes in Europe. Period.
NJE economics must be based also for the fact that they do need operation in Europe to support existing customers from US as well as some European customers that do not like to fly with those " Fredīs Friendly Air Service" airplanes because they can have a brand new jet and properly trained crew for the same money.
Well , thatīs it and it wouldnīt help if pilotīs keep crying good old times back... Thatīs why I like to retire too!
Blues
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flag of convenience- a definition
Here's one definition -
"Definition of a Flag of Convenience (FOC)
235. The ITF defines Flags of Convenience as:
"Where the beneficial ownership and control of a vessel is found to lie elsewhere than in the country of the flag the vessel is flying, the vessel is considered as sailing under a flag of convenience. In cases, however, where the identification of the beneficial owner is not clear, any vessel where there is no genuine link between the flag state and the person(s), or corporate entity, with effective control over the operation of the vessel shall be considered as sailing under an FOC".
236. Any register can be declared an FOC on the basis that the majority of the vessels on the register are not beneficially owned and controlled within the flag state.
237. For the purposes of ITF policy, effective control is taken to mean the control exercised by the entity (ie a person(s) or corporation) being held responsible by the flag state for the actions of the vessel and fulfilling its obligations to abide by the law of the flag state. In so defining "effective control" and where the beneficial ownership is unclear, the ITF shall take account of the operator, the charterers and the ship managers in that order. "
Obviously it is defined here for merchant shipping, but, personally, I feel that one can draw parallels.
Its interesting that the phrase ' beneficial interest ' appears.
"ITF" = International Transport Workers Federation.
"Definition of a Flag of Convenience (FOC)
235. The ITF defines Flags of Convenience as:
"Where the beneficial ownership and control of a vessel is found to lie elsewhere than in the country of the flag the vessel is flying, the vessel is considered as sailing under a flag of convenience. In cases, however, where the identification of the beneficial owner is not clear, any vessel where there is no genuine link between the flag state and the person(s), or corporate entity, with effective control over the operation of the vessel shall be considered as sailing under an FOC".
236. Any register can be declared an FOC on the basis that the majority of the vessels on the register are not beneficially owned and controlled within the flag state.
237. For the purposes of ITF policy, effective control is taken to mean the control exercised by the entity (ie a person(s) or corporation) being held responsible by the flag state for the actions of the vessel and fulfilling its obligations to abide by the law of the flag state. In so defining "effective control" and where the beneficial ownership is unclear, the ITF shall take account of the operator, the charterers and the ship managers in that order. "
Obviously it is defined here for merchant shipping, but, personally, I feel that one can draw parallels.
Its interesting that the phrase ' beneficial interest ' appears.
"ITF" = International Transport Workers Federation.
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According to JAA regs. the aircraft operating under an AOC must be of the same national register as the issuing authority of the AOC. Netjets Chose Portugal, Flexjet, when they operated, chose Denmark.
If I were to start a business, I would also choose the best place for my investment to grow, which is what I'm sure Netjets did. They needed a EU member country as base.
The EU is after all a common market.
The discussion wether Portugal is this or that doesen't really matter in the end, as all these countries will have to comply with JAA regs. in the end.
When it comes to wether the company has a precence in the UK or not I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. The employment contract will usually specify which court is the authority in disputes, and one would think this would be in Portugal. If anything, Portugal being a EU member, the dispute can be brought to Brussels.
As I have said before. Read the contract before you sign it, then live with it for better or for worse, or simply get out.
O
If I were to start a business, I would also choose the best place for my investment to grow, which is what I'm sure Netjets did. They needed a EU member country as base.
The EU is after all a common market.
The discussion wether Portugal is this or that doesen't really matter in the end, as all these countries will have to comply with JAA regs. in the end.
When it comes to wether the company has a precence in the UK or not I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. The employment contract will usually specify which court is the authority in disputes, and one would think this would be in Portugal. If anything, Portugal being a EU member, the dispute can be brought to Brussels.
As I have said before. Read the contract before you sign it, then live with it for better or for worse, or simply get out.
O
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Can anyone out there answer a couple of queries for a pal . Rumoursville has it that Net Jets takes direct entry commanders , pays them circa 70k , guarantees them 6 days working and 5 days off , and positions them to and from Portugal and home . Is this true or fantasy ?
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Macfloppy........the most recent upgrade to command was on the Falcon core fleet........the certain individual from start of indoc to command upgrade took 2.5 months........and IMHO that was even too long for this particular individual, fantastic fellow and very experienced.....70k a year depends on which aircraft type you are assigned as commander and if you're into opening champers and brown nosing your pax the job will suit you well........keep in mind though safety is your foremost responsibility as one NJE crew who where intercepted can attest to.......6 on 5 off is ideally the way things should proceed but in the biz world Nothing is written in stone.............the contract should you sign it, is unenforceable and since you are paid in the IOM litigation due violations of the contract are hard to persue should you have a need to do so..............basically they don't need a reason to fire you and being none unionized you haven't a flamingo leg to stand on.........right or wrong, these are the facts and some pilots are quite happy with these conditions because they have no choice, .....they are quite happt to sign most any contract as thay have little or no glass time or knowledge of airline ops......they are quite flexible individuals though driven by the need for 
........positioning to and from home base is the norm but anything can change
........positioning to and from home base is the norm but anything can change
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Jammers, would it be possible to know what type of falcon are you refering?
If it's the 2000, then you are completly wrong. The latest having done the upgrade flew for 9 months before being upgaded. And no, it was not too long. And they did not requested anything special as you suggest.
You should know as well that most of the pilots join on the other fleets and usually uprade on the aircraft they fly (which make sens economicly).
Something else, some "experienced" pilots join NJE because that's almost the only way to live in there own country close to they family, not because they are too bad to join another "airline". That's just a choice of live. 6/5 sonds much better to me than being away for 20-25 days a month like some om my friends living aboard.....
Happy ldgs to everybody.
If it's the 2000, then you are completly wrong. The latest having done the upgrade flew for 9 months before being upgaded. And no, it was not too long. And they did not requested anything special as you suggest.
You should know as well that most of the pilots join on the other fleets and usually uprade on the aircraft they fly (which make sens economicly).
Something else, some "experienced" pilots join NJE because that's almost the only way to live in there own country close to they family, not because they are too bad to join another "airline". That's just a choice of live. 6/5 sonds much better to me than being away for 20-25 days a month like some om my friends living aboard.....
Happy ldgs to everybody.
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Dear Tophe,
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Macfloppy........the most recent upgrade to command was on the Falcon core fleet........the certain individual from start of indoc to command upgrade took 2.5 months
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As you may have not noticed from my previous post I make specific mention to core fleet. Core fleet (as you know or probably don't know) is the Falcon 50/900.......one thing you're right about is that SOME pilots do choose to fly for NJE experienced or not, what I am saying is that for the furloughed pilots flying for NJE they most certainly return to their former airline once recalled e.g. SAS ........
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Something else, some "experienced" pilots join NJE because that's almost the only way to live in there own country close to they family, not because they are too bad to join another "airline".
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I never said these pilot's are "too bad", just simply that they do not possess the neccessary 'Glass' cockpit time or type ratings to join the airlines
The one thing you are right about is that at the end of the day it's all about QUALITY OF LIFE.
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Macfloppy........the most recent upgrade to command was on the Falcon core fleet........the certain individual from start of indoc to command upgrade took 2.5 months
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As you may have not noticed from my previous post I make specific mention to core fleet. Core fleet (as you know or probably don't know) is the Falcon 50/900.......one thing you're right about is that SOME pilots do choose to fly for NJE experienced or not, what I am saying is that for the furloughed pilots flying for NJE they most certainly return to their former airline once recalled e.g. SAS ........
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Something else, some "experienced" pilots join NJE because that's almost the only way to live in there own country close to they family, not because they are too bad to join another "airline".
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I never said these pilot's are "too bad", just simply that they do not possess the neccessary 'Glass' cockpit time or type ratings to join the airlines
The one thing you are right about is that at the end of the day it's all about QUALITY OF LIFE.