Netjets (Europe) Interviews - All you need to know about it (threads merged)
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The jungle drums between the authorities are at work again.
Many ears to the ground listening in to DGAC.
While the report on the Flash Airlines accident will in all probability be just as delayed as Egyptair 990 the crew duty hours and the positioning are now clearly understood.
At some point the French public will discover what is already being passed around informally. At that point it becomes a political hot potato and Europs will be dragged kicking and screaming into the fray.
Brittle smiles at INAC guaranteed if you mention Crossair and Flash in the same breath - try it. You might be impressed with the effect.
Regards
Rob
Many ears to the ground listening in to DGAC.
While the report on the Flash Airlines accident will in all probability be just as delayed as Egyptair 990 the crew duty hours and the positioning are now clearly understood.
At some point the French public will discover what is already being passed around informally. At that point it becomes a political hot potato and Europs will be dragged kicking and screaming into the fray.
Brittle smiles at INAC guaranteed if you mention Crossair and Flash in the same breath - try it. You might be impressed with the effect.
Regards
Rob
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As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions.,
Remember this when you read the post's of "experts" like jammers or livinginspain!
Ciao
Remember this when you read the post's of "experts" like jammers or livinginspain!
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With respectful regards to your last post..........
MFRA
Instead of being 'just another number' I could order a Personal Title and help support PPRuNe
posted 12th October 2002 07:58
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6 and 5 does not exist anymore at netjets europe, you work 18 days and they will TRY to give you a 6 and 5.
Minimum rest between to rotations can be as little as 36 hours, but they will TRY to give 5 days
Currently, pilots fly the full 18 and more.
There are no LHS positions on the hawker, just bravo and excel.
F/O salary: 40.500,-- euro.
Bond for 3 years, typed or not.
Pilots are generally unhappy with items like duty times and upgrade policy.
Have fun
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would assume that if you are in any doubt of the previous posts by livinginspain, , Capt. Crash, jammers, Mike Jenvey, silverhawk etc. etc then let me refresh your short term memory loss with an extremely interesting post by a Ppune moderator...
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posted 7th February 2004 13:11
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I meet Net Jet crews from the left side of the pond on just about a weekly basis. The two major threads running here are baffling to them. Other than the griping legally required to maintain a current licence they like the place, the equipment and most of the work practices.
The problem facing all the NJE cheerleaders here is their resolute refusal page after page after page to answer any question in a straight forward manner. This is actually a polite way of saying ducking, diving and consistently, pointedly and egregiously obscuring the truth.
Earlier this week I spoke face to face with a PPRuNer and asked for the most concise and brutal analysis of the issues being purposely obscured - the ones most important to those considering employment. The reason? PPRuNe is for the benefit of pilots and not companies.
The post by Kelly Hopper was the response I received. Note that the regular suspects have not refered to it, refuted a single word or rebutted any point whether historically or in terms of current arrangements. Digs and sneering are a semantic null - devoid of meaning and discounted totally here at the Towers.
The Air Luxor AOC and standard FTL's are a fact.
Generic Portugese FTL's are a fact.
The utterly err, unique NJE ummm, arrangement is a fact and a particularly interesting one in the light of the Crossair Jumbolina report. Something that would prove very interesting tested in employment, civil or criminal law. Something the legal section of the Portugese authorities should be looking at pretty sharpish to cover their own arses.
Let's sum it up. NJE got out of the FTL's required by all other AOC operators in extremely mysterious circumstances. Working for NJE is actually a contract job with no employment law comeback.
Any sane, experienced aviator would be a fool to take the blandishments offered by supposed Net Jet employees as anything other than rose tinted honeymoon whisperings or the ravings of the terminally ambitious.
We've had vast amounts of wasted bandwidth while the two most critical issues for pro's have been intentionally avoided time after time. FTL's and the contract.
Anyone caring to rebut that point will discover the joys of cut and paste thrown back in their face. They will aslo have counter the findings of the Swiss accident investigation insisting on culmulative timing including transport and other duties undertaken prior to flight.
Finally, we at the Towers have to make it utterly clear the NJE are facing contract disputes taken to law at a rate a magnitude greater than we have ever seen at any airline.
Caveat Emptor
Regards
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posted 7th February 2004 22:55
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Flight time limitations are a matter of record.
No NJE employee has every given an answer on these limitations. Re read the threads if you have any doubts.
The Crossair report has made extremely clear the JAR/Europs views on cumulative hours.
The UK CAA has had the drafts for many months due to the aircraft type involved in the accident. New methods of auditing all hours of duty including travel and between companies are flying around the various authorities.
Balpa are running a database due to the numbers now involved in litigation.
Let's see those who actually believe any of their writing regarding improving things. Tell pilots reading these threads straight:
Who employs you - the legal, responsible and answerable entity detailed in your contract.
Until that question can be answered reliably anyone considering applying to NJE is gaining less employment protection than a contract pilot out in the third world.
Best pilots in the world or simply the dumbest??
The history of this site is littered with 10 page threads on employment at companies. The one's on the Britannia's, the Monarchs and many others die out in a couple of days. Have a look at the ones that go on and on and on for weeks and months. There are five at the moment and many more from the past.
8 years of running this place tells me this: Smoke + fire = 10 page plus topics.
FTL's as I said at the outset are a matter of public record. They and the contracts are the dirty little secret missing from all these months of enquiries.
It really makes you wonder at the hostility consistently bandied around at those that left the company. I strongly suggest those considering applying take an hour our so to reread every single word published in the last 6 months. Not one word has been edited and the lack of honesty from NJE employees is breathtaking.
I am disgusted at the attacks on pilots who have left NJE from employees who have spent a cumulative 14 pages avoiding answering any question on contracts or flight time limitations.
Regards to all
Rob
PS A private forum should be running out around Easter.
Are you the journalist or an unfortunate pilot with a 3rd world contract?
MFRA
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posted 12th October 2002 07:58
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6 and 5 does not exist anymore at netjets europe, you work 18 days and they will TRY to give you a 6 and 5.
Minimum rest between to rotations can be as little as 36 hours, but they will TRY to give 5 days
Currently, pilots fly the full 18 and more.
There are no LHS positions on the hawker, just bravo and excel.
F/O salary: 40.500,-- euro.
Bond for 3 years, typed or not.
Pilots are generally unhappy with items like duty times and upgrade policy.
Have fun
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would assume that if you are in any doubt of the previous posts by livinginspain, , Capt. Crash, jammers, Mike Jenvey, silverhawk etc. etc then let me refresh your short term memory loss with an extremely interesting post by a Ppune moderator...
PPRuNe Towers
Dep Chief PPRuNe Pilot
(IC Lavs & Dunnies)
posted 7th February 2004 13:11
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I meet Net Jet crews from the left side of the pond on just about a weekly basis. The two major threads running here are baffling to them. Other than the griping legally required to maintain a current licence they like the place, the equipment and most of the work practices.
The problem facing all the NJE cheerleaders here is their resolute refusal page after page after page to answer any question in a straight forward manner. This is actually a polite way of saying ducking, diving and consistently, pointedly and egregiously obscuring the truth.
Earlier this week I spoke face to face with a PPRuNer and asked for the most concise and brutal analysis of the issues being purposely obscured - the ones most important to those considering employment. The reason? PPRuNe is for the benefit of pilots and not companies.
The post by Kelly Hopper was the response I received. Note that the regular suspects have not refered to it, refuted a single word or rebutted any point whether historically or in terms of current arrangements. Digs and sneering are a semantic null - devoid of meaning and discounted totally here at the Towers.
The Air Luxor AOC and standard FTL's are a fact.
Generic Portugese FTL's are a fact.
The utterly err, unique NJE ummm, arrangement is a fact and a particularly interesting one in the light of the Crossair Jumbolina report. Something that would prove very interesting tested in employment, civil or criminal law. Something the legal section of the Portugese authorities should be looking at pretty sharpish to cover their own arses.
Let's sum it up. NJE got out of the FTL's required by all other AOC operators in extremely mysterious circumstances. Working for NJE is actually a contract job with no employment law comeback.
Any sane, experienced aviator would be a fool to take the blandishments offered by supposed Net Jet employees as anything other than rose tinted honeymoon whisperings or the ravings of the terminally ambitious.
We've had vast amounts of wasted bandwidth while the two most critical issues for pro's have been intentionally avoided time after time. FTL's and the contract.
Anyone caring to rebut that point will discover the joys of cut and paste thrown back in their face. They will aslo have counter the findings of the Swiss accident investigation insisting on culmulative timing including transport and other duties undertaken prior to flight.
Finally, we at the Towers have to make it utterly clear the NJE are facing contract disputes taken to law at a rate a magnitude greater than we have ever seen at any airline.
Caveat Emptor
Regards
Followed by:
PPRuNe Towers
Dep Chief PPRuNe Pilot
(IC Lavs & Dunnies)
posted 7th February 2004 22:55
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Flight time limitations are a matter of record.
No NJE employee has every given an answer on these limitations. Re read the threads if you have any doubts.
The Crossair report has made extremely clear the JAR/Europs views on cumulative hours.
The UK CAA has had the drafts for many months due to the aircraft type involved in the accident. New methods of auditing all hours of duty including travel and between companies are flying around the various authorities.
Balpa are running a database due to the numbers now involved in litigation.
Let's see those who actually believe any of their writing regarding improving things. Tell pilots reading these threads straight:
Who employs you - the legal, responsible and answerable entity detailed in your contract.
Until that question can be answered reliably anyone considering applying to NJE is gaining less employment protection than a contract pilot out in the third world.
Best pilots in the world or simply the dumbest??
The history of this site is littered with 10 page threads on employment at companies. The one's on the Britannia's, the Monarchs and many others die out in a couple of days. Have a look at the ones that go on and on and on for weeks and months. There are five at the moment and many more from the past.
8 years of running this place tells me this: Smoke + fire = 10 page plus topics.
FTL's as I said at the outset are a matter of public record. They and the contracts are the dirty little secret missing from all these months of enquiries.
It really makes you wonder at the hostility consistently bandied around at those that left the company. I strongly suggest those considering applying take an hour our so to reread every single word published in the last 6 months. Not one word has been edited and the lack of honesty from NJE employees is breathtaking.
I am disgusted at the attacks on pilots who have left NJE from employees who have spent a cumulative 14 pages avoiding answering any question on contracts or flight time limitations.
Regards to all
Rob
PS A private forum should be running out around Easter.
Are you the journalist or an unfortunate pilot with a 3rd world contract?
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Thanks for refreshing my short term memory, has nothing to do with my previous post though!
All I'm saying, is that there is a lot of bithing and mud thowing going on, based on rumours and "have heard from a friend" info.
Ciao
All I'm saying, is that there is a lot of bithing and mud thowing going on, based on rumours and "have heard from a friend" info.
Ciao
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MFRA says
'All I'm saying, is that there is a lot of bithing and mud thowing going on, based on rumours and "have heard from a friend" info.'
Just in case you're forgetting where you're posting, this is the Professional Pilots 'Rumour' Network
'All I'm saying, is that there is a lot of bithing and mud thowing going on, based on rumours and "have heard from a friend" info.'
Just in case you're forgetting where you're posting, this is the Professional Pilots 'Rumour' Network
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rumour etc
What make you think that its based on rumour and "heard from a friend " ? Could it not actually be true ? or is that that you just refuse to accept that some companies can behave like this ?
Look at the number of entries about nje, do you really think this is all sour grapes ? or envy ?
There are many pilots who have felt the wrath of nje, so I suggest that you may be a little quick to come out with the 'rumour and heard from a friend' routine.
The spirited defence of the company by several individuals is laudable, ( and is probably a company requirement when the printout is taken in to the upper echalon office is LIS for the pat on the head ! ) but in the end they may come to understand how this company operates, like many others before them.
These threads should, in my opinion, be treated as words of caution to other would be employees. They are, with one or two exceptions, intended to be informative and evoke discussion, but above all they are for the benefit of our brother and sister pilots. When we start the personal attacks on each other, we are certainly not achieving anything positive. Our energies would be better directed at bringing to light and exposing practices which have resulted in many well intended pilots being thrown out of a job, in many instances for absolutely no reason, other than it suiting various individuals personal agendas in Portugal. The disparate nature of aviation has dictated that there has been no cohesion amongst those so affected, ( not a situation gone unnoticed by LIS ) Is it not about time that individuals got organised ? actually got together and organised some method of redressing matters ?
Now would be the time for all those suggestions folks, now that would be useful !
Look at the number of entries about nje, do you really think this is all sour grapes ? or envy ?
There are many pilots who have felt the wrath of nje, so I suggest that you may be a little quick to come out with the 'rumour and heard from a friend' routine.
The spirited defence of the company by several individuals is laudable, ( and is probably a company requirement when the printout is taken in to the upper echalon office is LIS for the pat on the head ! ) but in the end they may come to understand how this company operates, like many others before them.
These threads should, in my opinion, be treated as words of caution to other would be employees. They are, with one or two exceptions, intended to be informative and evoke discussion, but above all they are for the benefit of our brother and sister pilots. When we start the personal attacks on each other, we are certainly not achieving anything positive. Our energies would be better directed at bringing to light and exposing practices which have resulted in many well intended pilots being thrown out of a job, in many instances for absolutely no reason, other than it suiting various individuals personal agendas in Portugal. The disparate nature of aviation has dictated that there has been no cohesion amongst those so affected, ( not a situation gone unnoticed by LIS ) Is it not about time that individuals got organised ? actually got together and organised some method of redressing matters ?
Now would be the time for all those suggestions folks, now that would be useful !
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I HAVE BEEN WITH NJE AROUND 9 MONTHS AND STILL ENJOYING IT. I HAVE FLOWN A TOTAL OF ABOUT 180 HRS AND IT ONLY TOOK ME FIVE MONTHS TO GET UPGRADED. I USUALLY AVERAGE 15 DAYS A MONTH AND HAVEN'T EXCEEDED 18 DAYS ONCE.
THE COMPANY NEEDS CAPTAINS AND ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT EMPLOY DIRECT ENTRY CAPTAINS IF YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENTS YOU WILL GET AN UPGRADE WITHIN 6 MONTHS. THERE WERE GUYS ON MY UPGRADE COURSE WITH LESS THAN 3000 HRS.
THE ONES THAT MOAN ABOUT UPGRADE POLICY ARE USUALLY THE ONES THAT HAVE COCKED UP ON THE COURSE. THE ONES THAT MOAN ABOUT THE COMPANY ARE USUALLY THE ONES THAT GOT THE FLICK FOR COCKING UP, AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MAJOR COCK UPS IN THE PAST. (THERE IS STILL SOME DEAD WOOD AROUND BUT THEY ARE WORKING ON IT).
FO'S PAY 40500-45000 (EUROS P.A.) +15000P.A BASED IN EUROPE. (+20% FOR UK BASED PILOTS)
TRAINING BONDS
3 YEARS FOR PILOTS WITH LESS THAN 5000 HOURS
1 YEAR FOR THOSE WITH MORE THAN 5000 HOURS.
AND IT IS ONLY ON THE INITIAL RATING. I GOT MYSELF TWO TYPE RATINGS WITHIN 5 MONTHS AND I ONLY HAVE 3 MONTHS LEFT ON MY BOND.
THESE JUST TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE BS MENTIONED ABOVE.
FTLS
INAC FTLS AND THEY ARE NOT MUCH DIFFERENT TO UK.
REGARDING THE FIRST DAY IT IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT TO THE BA AND VIRGIN CREWS THAT CHOOSE TO LIVE IN FRANCE (ABOUT 300 OF THEM, FOR OBVIOUS TAX BENEFITS). THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THOSE CREWS HAVE TO PURCHASE THEIR OWN ID90 TKT AND POSITION TO LHR PRIOR TO STARTING THEIR DUTY WHERE AS WE GET TO CHOOSE WHERE WE LIVE AND THE COMPANY FLY US TO WHERE THE AIRCRAFT IS ON THE FIRST DAY.
BEST JOB I VE HAD. JUST TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE, GO TO WORK DO YOUR BIT KEEP YOUR PLATE CLEAN AND ENJOY YOUR 4-5 DAYS OFF AT THE END OF IT.
LI KE I VE SAID BEFORE. IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY LEAVE.
THE COMPANY NEEDS CAPTAINS AND ALTHOUGH THEY DO NOT EMPLOY DIRECT ENTRY CAPTAINS IF YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENTS YOU WILL GET AN UPGRADE WITHIN 6 MONTHS. THERE WERE GUYS ON MY UPGRADE COURSE WITH LESS THAN 3000 HRS.
THE ONES THAT MOAN ABOUT UPGRADE POLICY ARE USUALLY THE ONES THAT HAVE COCKED UP ON THE COURSE. THE ONES THAT MOAN ABOUT THE COMPANY ARE USUALLY THE ONES THAT GOT THE FLICK FOR COCKING UP, AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MAJOR COCK UPS IN THE PAST. (THERE IS STILL SOME DEAD WOOD AROUND BUT THEY ARE WORKING ON IT).
FO'S PAY 40500-45000 (EUROS P.A.) +15000P.A BASED IN EUROPE. (+20% FOR UK BASED PILOTS)
TRAINING BONDS
3 YEARS FOR PILOTS WITH LESS THAN 5000 HOURS
1 YEAR FOR THOSE WITH MORE THAN 5000 HOURS.
AND IT IS ONLY ON THE INITIAL RATING. I GOT MYSELF TWO TYPE RATINGS WITHIN 5 MONTHS AND I ONLY HAVE 3 MONTHS LEFT ON MY BOND.
THESE JUST TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE BS MENTIONED ABOVE.
FTLS
INAC FTLS AND THEY ARE NOT MUCH DIFFERENT TO UK.
REGARDING THE FIRST DAY IT IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT TO THE BA AND VIRGIN CREWS THAT CHOOSE TO LIVE IN FRANCE (ABOUT 300 OF THEM, FOR OBVIOUS TAX BENEFITS). THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THOSE CREWS HAVE TO PURCHASE THEIR OWN ID90 TKT AND POSITION TO LHR PRIOR TO STARTING THEIR DUTY WHERE AS WE GET TO CHOOSE WHERE WE LIVE AND THE COMPANY FLY US TO WHERE THE AIRCRAFT IS ON THE FIRST DAY.
BEST JOB I VE HAD. JUST TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE, GO TO WORK DO YOUR BIT KEEP YOUR PLATE CLEAN AND ENJOY YOUR 4-5 DAYS OFF AT THE END OF IT.
LI KE I VE SAID BEFORE. IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY LEAVE.
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cambioso "Stitch that" moaners and mud-slingers !!!
1."The spirited defence of the company by several individuals is laudable, ( and is probably a company requirement when the printout is taken in to the upper echalon office is LIS for the pat on the head ! ) but in the end they may come to understand how this company operates, like many others before them"
2."Pilots are generally unhappy with items like duty times and upgrade policy"
3."The problem facing all the NJE cheerleaders here is their resolute refusal page after page after page to answer any question in a straight forward manner. This is actually a polite way of saying ducking, diving and consistently, pointedly and egregiously obscuring the truth."
4."Let's sum it up. NJE got out of the FTL's required by all other AOC operators in extremely mysterious circumstances. Working for NJE is actually a contract job with no employment law comeback."
5."ANY SANE, experienced aviator would be a fool to take the blandishments offered by supposed Net Jet employees as anything other than rose tinted honeymoon whisperings or the ravings of the terminally ambitious."
6."Finally, we at the Towers have to make it utterly clear the NJE are facing contract disputes taken to law at a rate a magnitude greater than we have ever seen at any airline."
7."FTL's as I said at the outset are a matter of public record. They and the contracts are the dirty little secret missing from all these months of enquiries"
8."It really makes you wonder at the hostility consistently bandied around at those that left the company. I strongly suggest those considering applying take an hour our so to reread every single word published in the last 6 months. Not one word has been edited and the lack of honesty from NJE employees."
9."We at the Towers have to make it utterly clear the NJE are facing contract disputes taken to law at a rate a magnitude greater than we have ever seen at any airline."
PPRuNe Towers
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Cambioso(sounds like a type of ripe cheese)
The 'Threads' found above will provide the powers that be, including all JAA OPS Authorities and Operators, who view this site on a daily basis,the sufficient material to 'Stitch' together(couldn't resist the pun) a quilt which will eventually smother and then reveal all the 'dirty little secrets', which keeps your outfit afloat through the power of the 'backhander'. .......who knows, DM might even have to pay back his former employer his training bond, after having done a runner........
1."The spirited defence of the company by several individuals is laudable, ( and is probably a company requirement when the printout is taken in to the upper echalon office is LIS for the pat on the head ! ) but in the end they may come to understand how this company operates, like many others before them"
2."Pilots are generally unhappy with items like duty times and upgrade policy"
3."The problem facing all the NJE cheerleaders here is their resolute refusal page after page after page to answer any question in a straight forward manner. This is actually a polite way of saying ducking, diving and consistently, pointedly and egregiously obscuring the truth."
4."Let's sum it up. NJE got out of the FTL's required by all other AOC operators in extremely mysterious circumstances. Working for NJE is actually a contract job with no employment law comeback."
5."ANY SANE, experienced aviator would be a fool to take the blandishments offered by supposed Net Jet employees as anything other than rose tinted honeymoon whisperings or the ravings of the terminally ambitious."
6."Finally, we at the Towers have to make it utterly clear the NJE are facing contract disputes taken to law at a rate a magnitude greater than we have ever seen at any airline."
7."FTL's as I said at the outset are a matter of public record. They and the contracts are the dirty little secret missing from all these months of enquiries"
8."It really makes you wonder at the hostility consistently bandied around at those that left the company. I strongly suggest those considering applying take an hour our so to reread every single word published in the last 6 months. Not one word has been edited and the lack of honesty from NJE employees."
9."We at the Towers have to make it utterly clear the NJE are facing contract disputes taken to law at a rate a magnitude greater than we have ever seen at any airline."
PPRuNe Towers
Dep Chief PPRuNe Pilot
Cambioso(sounds like a type of ripe cheese)
The 'Threads' found above will provide the powers that be, including all JAA OPS Authorities and Operators, who view this site on a daily basis,the sufficient material to 'Stitch' together(couldn't resist the pun) a quilt which will eventually smother and then reveal all the 'dirty little secrets', which keeps your outfit afloat through the power of the 'backhander'. .......who knows, DM might even have to pay back his former employer his training bond, after having done a runner........
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Glad to hear nxmember enjoys his life with NJE. He probably hopes that the admin in Lisbon can find his identity by the clues he left of himself in his post. Maybe his advancement in the company will be boosted further. Then again, maybe not.
The INAC FTLs are probably not much different from UK ones. Question is: How are they interpreted? A pilot lives in Madrid, for example, and in an extreme case starts his duty in Helsinki or Istanbul. Is the travel time included in duty time calculations, or not?
The difference to a UK pilot commuting to work from France is that he or she chooses to do it on his time off. Whether this is wise, safe or whatever is another matter. In case of NJE, the pilot is told by the employer to airline out to somewhere, so IMHO it should count towards the total duty time.
BTW, nxmember, how is your contract? UK, EU or offshore..?
The INAC FTLs are probably not much different from UK ones. Question is: How are they interpreted? A pilot lives in Madrid, for example, and in an extreme case starts his duty in Helsinki or Istanbul. Is the travel time included in duty time calculations, or not?
The difference to a UK pilot commuting to work from France is that he or she chooses to do it on his time off. Whether this is wise, safe or whatever is another matter. In case of NJE, the pilot is told by the employer to airline out to somewhere, so IMHO it should count towards the total duty time.
BTW, nxmember, how is your contract? UK, EU or offshore..?
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Nxmember.
Perhaps after your honeymoon you would explain why UK pilots get an extra 20% on their salaries. Is it because they are the best of the "best pilots in the world" or maybe something a little more sinister?
NJE could have been the best job in aviation if it had been set up honestly.Why defend the indefendable? You are doing yourself no favours and when DM throws the mud at you then you will realise!
Perhaps after your honeymoon you would explain why UK pilots get an extra 20% on their salaries. Is it because they are the best of the "best pilots in the world" or maybe something a little more sinister?
NJE could have been the best job in aviation if it had been set up honestly.Why defend the indefendable? You are doing yourself no favours and when DM throws the mud at you then you will realise!
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extra for the uk pilots
The salary difference is only because something had to be done to compensate for possible tax liability. I hear on the old 'vine that a certain individual from LIS informed the revenue in the UK first, then told the individuals concerned what he had done. Another classic way of keeping the staff enthusiastic, happy and cheerful.
That was after reducing certain salaries by up to 30 %.....
That was after reducing certain salaries by up to 30 %.....
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If NJE wants to take the travel time into consideration they will reduce to a limited amount of bases and people will have to relocate. My guess is pilots prefer it the way it is now. The example of the BA pilot living in france is relevant in this issue.
NJE is a company growing rapidly and offering opportunities for pilots in a rotten marketplace. The contract and some other things are not the best but for sure a very good alternative. Probably a lot will change in the future.
NJE is a company growing rapidly and offering opportunities for pilots in a rotten marketplace. The contract and some other things are not the best but for sure a very good alternative. Probably a lot will change in the future.
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Off the subject - but a little info needed
I'm trying to find out about a pilot and if he is now employed by Netjets Europe. Could one of you NJ pilots send me a pm with a contact and telephone number so I can do the running around.
Many thanks
I'm trying to find out about a pilot and if he is now employed by Netjets Europe. Could one of you NJ pilots send me a pm with a contact and telephone number so I can do the running around.
Many thanks