Netjets claim to have the BEST pilots!!
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Thanks for your reply jammers.
I am a pilot with Netjets and I am very happy and I have met many other happy Netjet pilots. I get tired but I have never been pushed into doing a flight illegally or when dangerously fatigued. Yes, things could be improved but every month there are changes for the better. The company is getting there.
It is a shame you have to try to damage a growing company by this constant barrage of vitriol. It is a company that employs 200 pilots and aims to hire another 100 this year; constructive criticism is a good thing but your axe grinding is getting a little tedious.
I am a pilot with Netjets and I am very happy and I have met many other happy Netjet pilots. I get tired but I have never been pushed into doing a flight illegally or when dangerously fatigued. Yes, things could be improved but every month there are changes for the better. The company is getting there.
It is a shame you have to try to damage a growing company by this constant barrage of vitriol. It is a company that employs 200 pilots and aims to hire another 100 this year; constructive criticism is a good thing but your axe grinding is getting a little tedious.
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Capt. Crash....I am sincerely happy that you are happy with you lot.....my comments have been made simply to try to empower a few not to give in to an industry that is under attack and to stick with what they think is the right thing to do, given the circumstances at the time, regardless of commercial pressures and to work towards better conditions for all pilots....I do believe you and that things will get better hopefully.....I wish you well.
MJ, MJ MJ.......he's definitely lost the plot folks, I'm sorry for that.
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" MJ and talking are mutually inseperable so he must be on tour or CM has read him the riot act." I think not.
With 628 posts on this forum (not including other web-sites) in less than 2 years, you could be considered a very 'different sort' of Ppruner , though you come a close 2nd to 411A, he does know how to spell.....(do me a favour, if you're going to slander me, dysfunctional is spelt with a 'y' not an 'i' and the term is normally reserved for people like yourself who identify their own faults and then attribute them to others. ) You should definitely spend more time target-rifle shooting, your hobby, as your last posted scores 'viewed on the world -wide web' were quite poor and I won't embarrass you by posting them here lest (given your current blood-pressure) you turn the gun on yourself......... You've talked and slandered quite a few posters, who are all entitled to their views contrary to what you might have others believe, but your ego precedes you..... while you're at it.....do tell all about the circumstances of how you came to leave the RAF, will you, it's only fair seeing the you know SOOOO much about us?? Or have you no skeletons in the closet?? Or as we have all come to accept, ignore the question........fair , seeing that you've slandered everyone who has had an opposite opinion to yourself.........I will not reduce myself to your level of integrity!
If anything these posts have confirmed that there is no such thing as the 'NJE HAVE THE BEST PILOTS'........but in fact confirmed that we are all fallible......
I've contributed all I can here .........it's been fun apart from one chap, but then again, 'there's always one' LOL
MJ, MJ MJ.......he's definitely lost the plot folks, I'm sorry for that.
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" MJ and talking are mutually inseperable so he must be on tour or CM has read him the riot act." I think not.
With 628 posts on this forum (not including other web-sites) in less than 2 years, you could be considered a very 'different sort' of Ppruner , though you come a close 2nd to 411A, he does know how to spell.....(do me a favour, if you're going to slander me, dysfunctional is spelt with a 'y' not an 'i' and the term is normally reserved for people like yourself who identify their own faults and then attribute them to others. ) You should definitely spend more time target-rifle shooting, your hobby, as your last posted scores 'viewed on the world -wide web' were quite poor and I won't embarrass you by posting them here lest (given your current blood-pressure) you turn the gun on yourself......... You've talked and slandered quite a few posters, who are all entitled to their views contrary to what you might have others believe, but your ego precedes you..... while you're at it.....do tell all about the circumstances of how you came to leave the RAF, will you, it's only fair seeing the you know SOOOO much about us?? Or have you no skeletons in the closet?? Or as we have all come to accept, ignore the question........fair , seeing that you've slandered everyone who has had an opposite opinion to yourself.........I will not reduce myself to your level of integrity!
If anything these posts have confirmed that there is no such thing as the 'NJE HAVE THE BEST PILOTS'........but in fact confirmed that we are all fallible......
I've contributed all I can here .........it's been fun apart from one chap, but then again, 'there's always one' LOL
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Way off the mark old chap. Haven't flown the DC 8. I maybe old, but not that old.
What are the criteria to secure an interview with NJE? I realise this is rather audacious of me.The minimum requirements are well known. It would give us all a glue what you're looking for in the way of crew. E.g. ex-opposition, non ex-military topguns, smokers, physical fitness fanatics, etc. etc. need not apply. Might cut down on the mountains of applications, if requirements were published.
PS. Do you think it would be possible for you to have a word in the right persons ear in LIS to secure me an interview? After all I have shown a healthy interest in NJE. For reasons unbeknown to me, I can't get past the negative reply stage.
Way off the mark old chap. Haven't flown the DC 8. I maybe old, but not that old.
What are the criteria to secure an interview with NJE? I realise this is rather audacious of me.The minimum requirements are well known. It would give us all a glue what you're looking for in the way of crew. E.g. ex-opposition, non ex-military topguns, smokers, physical fitness fanatics, etc. etc. need not apply. Might cut down on the mountains of applications, if requirements were published.
PS. Do you think it would be possible for you to have a word in the right persons ear in LIS to secure me an interview? After all I have shown a healthy interest in NJE. For reasons unbeknown to me, I can't get past the negative reply stage.
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MJ
You're wrong old chap - I once had a call!
MJ/Jammers - This has been great sport watching you wrestle with your keyboards and am pleased that you have decided to call the final bell before it gets really personal.
At the end of the day no company has the best pilots. It's been a great thread but it's now time to move on.
Fly safely guys but for the benefit of all involved in aviation please never fly together!
Contrary to your manic views, there is no such thing as NJ PPRuNe police, perhaps these paranoid fears need to be addressed…?
MJ/Jammers - This has been great sport watching you wrestle with your keyboards and am pleased that you have decided to call the final bell before it gets really personal.
At the end of the day no company has the best pilots. It's been a great thread but it's now time to move on.
Fly safely guys but for the benefit of all involved in aviation please never fly together!
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This is my first posting on this web site and I have read with interest this thread.
Unfortunately I cannot help but notice the same question has been asked and never answered FTL’s If it is company practice not to included positioning time on an airline before the beginning of a 6 or 7 day ‘tour’ then this will not be included in the 55 hours weekly total and as a JAR-OPS 1 operator this would be illegal for me. What of airlines in the middle of tours I am sure this will happen on ‘tech issues’ does this not count either? And on returning to home base on an airline does this count?
Running around Europe is a serious business enough but I have heard a rumour of heavy metal as in G-IV’s will be joining the fleet, therefore will the positioning time count, as the crew fly out to White Plains to start their ‘tour’?
If positioning doesn’t count then I would not like to meet that crew coming in the opposite direction in any airspace.
It seems to claim one company or another has the best pilots is subjective and the quote was to do with PR not operating aircraft. To get to the real story of a company you must look at the financials therefore to make a decision of who to work for. This should be of concern to all, and if the contracts and the financial statements of a company are not available before you sign then there could be something some one is trying to hide.
I feel I am very lucky to be seeing this as an outside observer and I also believe there is no smoke without fire and people should tread very carefully in aviation.
It’s a small world and what goes around comes around.
Unfortunately I cannot help but notice the same question has been asked and never answered FTL’s If it is company practice not to included positioning time on an airline before the beginning of a 6 or 7 day ‘tour’ then this will not be included in the 55 hours weekly total and as a JAR-OPS 1 operator this would be illegal for me. What of airlines in the middle of tours I am sure this will happen on ‘tech issues’ does this not count either? And on returning to home base on an airline does this count?
Running around Europe is a serious business enough but I have heard a rumour of heavy metal as in G-IV’s will be joining the fleet, therefore will the positioning time count, as the crew fly out to White Plains to start their ‘tour’?
If positioning doesn’t count then I would not like to meet that crew coming in the opposite direction in any airspace.
It seems to claim one company or another has the best pilots is subjective and the quote was to do with PR not operating aircraft. To get to the real story of a company you must look at the financials therefore to make a decision of who to work for. This should be of concern to all, and if the contracts and the financial statements of a company are not available before you sign then there could be something some one is trying to hide.
I feel I am very lucky to be seeing this as an outside observer and I also believe there is no smoke without fire and people should tread very carefully in aviation.
It’s a small world and what goes around comes around.
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Check out this web, you need to request a login, see the bottom left corner, free service and you will be able to compare the three big ones in the US (netJets, FlexJets, and Flight Options) salaries, benefits, and schedule options are included, as well as minimums to apply at each one.
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I have left this post and I have waited for a reply to a very simple question on FTL’s as the people who work for the company have not replied I can only assume my conclusions are correct.
Being from the older generation I am glad I have not had to put up with the spin rather than the truth from the people from NetJets EUROPE. Again from the posts it seems Netjets America is a great place to work where as Europe leaves a lot to be desired.
Maybe the pilots should take it for what it is a great place to gain experience as long as you tow the party line!
As for, does Netjets have the best pilots? Well the conclusion can only be NO any pilot who has is license issued by the UK the is happy to ignore the country’s guidelines CAP371 and ignore those limitations while flying under a flag of convenience to gain a market advantage, over safety could not possibly be the best pilot.
Being from the older generation I am glad I have not had to put up with the spin rather than the truth from the people from NetJets EUROPE. Again from the posts it seems Netjets America is a great place to work where as Europe leaves a lot to be desired.
Maybe the pilots should take it for what it is a great place to gain experience as long as you tow the party line!
As for, does Netjets have the best pilots? Well the conclusion can only be NO any pilot who has is license issued by the UK the is happy to ignore the country’s guidelines CAP371 and ignore those limitations while flying under a flag of convenience to gain a market advantage, over safety could not possibly be the best pilot.
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Could you just run me through the thought process that leads you to conclude NJTA is a bad place to work and the US version is great?
I’m slightly confused because if you read the thread those who profess to actually work for NJTA keep saying how happy they are and how much they enjoy their jobs.
Personally though I’m more than happy for the detractors to keep up this rubbish because it will put people off applying to NJTA. More places available for my friends who I have no hesitation in recommending the company to.
Anyway back to the rest of my tour - feeling happy, relaxed and enjoying life………
Could you just run me through the thought process that leads you to conclude NJTA is a bad place to work and the US version is great?
I’m slightly confused because if you read the thread those who profess to actually work for NJTA keep saying how happy they are and how much they enjoy their jobs.
Personally though I’m more than happy for the detractors to keep up this rubbish because it will put people off applying to NJTA. More places available for my friends who I have no hesitation in recommending the company to.
Anyway back to the rest of my tour - feeling happy, relaxed and enjoying life………
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How I reach my conclusions is perfectly obvious if you read all the threads relating to your company.
But I notice once again SPIN you would rather talk about this instead of answering the question about FTL’s
Same question asked and never answered !!
But I notice once again SPIN you would rather talk about this instead of answering the question about FTL’s
Same question asked and never answered !!
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28 days a year, why do you ask?
Oh yes, I can expect to get 48 days total if I take 4 week long holidays with the 5 days off earnt for working for 6 days added to the 7 days I book as leave.
I hope I'm making myself clear.
I must say that I don't feel the need to take all my leave, I have enough time off as it is.
Got to get to bed, 1200z show tomorrow.
28 days a year, why do you ask?
Oh yes, I can expect to get 48 days total if I take 4 week long holidays with the 5 days off earnt for working for 6 days added to the 7 days I book as leave.
I hope I'm making myself clear.
I must say that I don't feel the need to take all my leave, I have enough time off as it is.
Got to get to bed, 1200z show tomorrow.
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HI guys,
Recieved an email form Raytheon friends in wichita which included pictures of a net jets pilot with a pen stick on the side of his left eye.
could ask my friends what happened but i believe netjets ppruners may have the insight of this..
By the way the guy is alright,thanks lord.
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Recieved an email form Raytheon friends in wichita which included pictures of a net jets pilot with a pen stick on the side of his left eye.
could ask my friends what happened but i believe netjets ppruners may have the insight of this..
By the way the guy is alright,thanks lord.
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You get 14 days a year the first 2 years, then it increases to 21 and 28 the years after.
As Capt Crash said, this is added to the rest period of 5 days, so in fact, you get 25 days or so on year 1 and 2.....
Conerning the duty time limit, it is as per Portugese CAA.
HAve fun.
As Capt Crash said, this is added to the rest period of 5 days, so in fact, you get 25 days or so on year 1 and 2.....
Conerning the duty time limit, it is as per Portugese CAA.
HAve fun.
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....and not to forget what tophe is saying is that INAC FTL's does NOT include positioning to the aircraft, wherever it may be, no matter how long it takes........
as for CC with his 7 days leave + 5 days time off which he seems to lead us to believe he gets twice a year.......I put this scenario to the rather large lady with the lazy eye who writes the rosters in LIS and she confirmed to me that NOTHING is written in stone and everything is done on a first come first seved basis(got to love it),regarding the 7+5.......straight from the horses mouth. Considering you only are allowed 1 request a year, if you're lucky, you might get what you want regarding vacation once a year..............simple answer......2 weeks VACATION a year without all the implied fluffiness of days off.........and you know the poor sods deserve it, after all CM is working the lads right up to the INAC limit of 55 HOURS a week during the summer.......else where we get our 6 weeks + the fluff.........anyways got to go........starting my 12 days off in a row this month, followed by those boring Barbados and Cancun layovers
............the NJE boys are getting pretty defensive these days.........
as for CC with his 7 days leave + 5 days time off which he seems to lead us to believe he gets twice a year.......I put this scenario to the rather large lady with the lazy eye who writes the rosters in LIS and she confirmed to me that NOTHING is written in stone and everything is done on a first come first seved basis(got to love it),regarding the 7+5.......straight from the horses mouth. Considering you only are allowed 1 request a year, if you're lucky, you might get what you want regarding vacation once a year..............simple answer......2 weeks VACATION a year without all the implied fluffiness of days off.........and you know the poor sods deserve it, after all CM is working the lads right up to the INAC limit of 55 HOURS a week during the summer.......else where we get our 6 weeks + the fluff.........anyways got to go........starting my 12 days off in a row this month, followed by those boring Barbados and Cancun layovers
............the NJE boys are getting pretty defensive these days.........
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Thanks Jammers.
I'm not trying to be defensive, I'm just saying how it is for me. I'm really happy with how my leave works out but I am very flexible with going away on holiday, I always buy trips last minute.
Leave goes through the Fleet Manager and he will approve it with SL and then it is in the system - cast in stone. There is a great deal of work going into making the leave system better (thanks to RS) and things are improving.
All I can add is that I work for the company and I'm happy!
I'm not trying to be defensive, I'm just saying how it is for me. I'm really happy with how my leave works out but I am very flexible with going away on holiday, I always buy trips last minute.
Leave goes through the Fleet Manager and he will approve it with SL and then it is in the system - cast in stone. There is a great deal of work going into making the leave system better (thanks to RS) and things are improving.
All I can add is that I work for the company and I'm happy!