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Self loading bear 19th Mar 2022 19:38

There is a swallow logo between the two persons.
But no clue which make it refers to

Noyade 20th Mar 2022 02:06

The Greek KEA - "Swallow" - ?

esreverlluf 20th Mar 2022 03:48

Some kind of Heinkel / Svenska collaboration?

Asturias56 20th Mar 2022 08:05

Ahhh - progress...................... here's some other pics of the challenge to fill in the time until tomorrow

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....825adaa5a2.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c6c959a01c.jpg





Asturias56 21st Mar 2022 08:31

Time has flown so I can confirm Noyade was is correct - the Greek built KEA Chelidon ("Swallow")

I think it was the second aircraft designed & built in Greece . They had a lot of technical support from Blackburn. According to the reports there wasn't much wrong with it except its performance was poor cp more recent, foreign aircraft. I suspect it was seriously underpowered - as I said the prototype soldiered on to around 1938 so it was a well built airframe

Self loading bear 21st Mar 2022 13:19

One of the few better looking Blackburn designs !

Noyade 22nd Mar 2022 05:04

Thanks A56 - and thanks for the oesophageal (Swallow) clue SLB.

An easy crop?


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....642255bed7.jpg



India Four Two 22nd Mar 2022 05:12

I presume the little propeller is driving a target winch.


PS Is it a Blackburn Roc?

Noyade 22nd Mar 2022 05:37

It is a target winch. Not a Blackburn Roc.

meleagertoo 22nd Mar 2022 13:05

I call that a Blackburn Botha.

Noyade 23rd Mar 2022 05:04


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11203981)
I call that a Blackburn Botha.

Good call. :ok:

meleagertoo 23rd Mar 2022 11:39

I don't think this one's appeared before.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ec469dda6a.png

Beamr 23rd Mar 2022 12:02

Probably weren't seen jumping around much.

meleagertoo 23rd Mar 2022 12:23

Didn't think it would last...

Self loading bear 23rd Mar 2022 21:13

The meat isn’t that bad especially when cooked a point.

Noyade 23rd Mar 2022 21:24

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....056c6bb6be.jpg

Noyade 23rd Mar 2022 21:27


Originally Posted by Self loading bear (Post 11204799)
The meat isn’t that bad especially when cooked a point.

Can't bring myself to eat part of the national coat of arms. Never tried it - never will. :)

Noyade 23rd Mar 2022 21:33

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....72d423cbbc.jpg

meleagertoo 23rd Mar 2022 23:28

Do you know what?
!ts fabulous meat!
Every bit as good as beef-steak.

Noyade 23rd Mar 2022 23:47


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11204845)
Do you know what?
!ts fabulous meat!
Every bit as good as beef-steak.

If you say so. ;)

Noyade 24th Mar 2022 06:10

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9a61b87bab.jpg

Beamr 24th Mar 2022 06:39

One mans dog food is another mans CAC15...
However I did like it the one time I was served a piece of aforementioned marsupial.
It was much better than the fermented shark in Iceland.

Asturias56 28th Mar 2022 07:09

Is anyone in charge?

Beamr 28th Mar 2022 07:25


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11206707)
Is anyone in charge?

I'd say Noyade, he came up with the name. Meleagertoo seems to be AWOL, so should we just announce Noyade winner?

Self loading bear 28th Mar 2022 17:01

I too think Noyade can take the lead.

meleagertoo 28th Mar 2022 19:44

Sorry guys, Noyade has it.

sycamore 28th Mar 2022 20:21

Thought he`s on `sick leave `...hopefully....

Noyade 28th Mar 2022 21:27

I remain incapacitated with my kangaroo loving dog for company. Please carry on...


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d9a6de8d1b.jpg

Beamr 29th Mar 2022 06:05

I'll take it that it's open house, so I'll wish Noyade all the best and get well soon and put this on display on his behalf.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cbd865fd4f.jpg

jolihokistix 29th Mar 2022 08:27

Apologies for barging in! May I just borrow your illustrious brains for a moment?

This photo (borrowed with thanks for educational purposes) was in a certain book with a fairly detailed caption including key words like photo reconnaissance, WWI and Ninth Wing, Fienvillers, France 1916. It does not mention what particular aircraft though. Possibly an easy question for some? If so, apologies in advance.


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a134fc68b.jpeg

Beamr 29th Mar 2022 09:33

I'd put my money on Martinsyde Elephant. Look at this youtube video:
at 0:07 you can see the wing support mountings matching the picture
at 0:34 you can see the wing root structure which matches the picture.
at 0:55 you can see the upper wing matching the picture.



That camera is C-type, so post summer 1915 but later on the L-model was introduced which was placed inside the hull. This fits the 1916 time frame.
On this picture of a G102 Elephant the similarity to the AC on the picture on your post is significant.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8743c9db28.png

Edit: I'll add that based on the "reliable" interweb wiki the ninth wing was originally RFC HQ Wing and used Martinsyde G.100's from mid 1916 till 1917 and was used in recon missions in France and Middle-east. Someone better in the know on RFC units and their posts can confirm, complete or prove me wrong...

jolihokistix 29th Mar 2022 10:43

That is very interesting Beamr and fits together well. I’ll look further into this.

Many thanks in the meantime.

Beamr 29th Mar 2022 14:11

My pleasure! I love that type of puzzles.

Back on usual program I'll drop the actual quiz picture once more to make sure it doesn't go unnoticed by accident. So, what is standing on its long legs so steadily?

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cbd865fd4f.jpg

Asturias56 29th Mar 2022 16:34

Russian perhaps?

Beamr 30th Mar 2022 05:55


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11207471)
Russian perhaps?

Lets say that this was built close to the Azov sea, not far from the current war zone.

jolihokistix 30th Mar 2022 06:20

Ukrainian?

Beamr 30th Mar 2022 06:37


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11207714)
Ukrainian?

It is not.

Asturias56 30th Mar 2022 08:20

OKB1 -150 perhaps with a carefully cropped tail?

jolihokistix 30th Mar 2022 08:59

Georgian SU-25?

Beamr 30th Mar 2022 10:01

Nothing has been cropped from the picture so it is not a T-tail. You gentlemen are closing, other had the era right, the other had the aircraft role right.


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