If I'm wrong, can someone please post the other one? There were only two built.

I think Mel is away for some time or it might be he wants to hear BAC-221?
if so then Open House on this occasion. Credits to Pypard and Herod.

MMm. I'm thinking Cosford now. It was a 50/50 choice after all...

Credit to Pypard. I have to admit to being very familiar with this one, so it wasn't really a fair one for me to enter. I volunteer at Cosford, and, since this is a favourite of mine, pat her on the wingtip each time I'm there. The one at Yeovilton is WG 774, and as SLB noted, is now a BAC 221, having been modified as part of the Concorde trials. If Mel is happy, you go ahead, Pypard.

No I'm happy to defer: it's the FD.2 after all, not the BAC 221 as I'd first thought.

Herod has it - it is indeed the FD2 at Cosford.

Thanks. OPEN HOUSE

Open House, as I don't have anything at the moment. A bit of a sitter for me anyway, since I see it on a weekly basis. In fact, I'll be patting it this Thursday. One of the prettier aeroplanes in the museum.

Here's one to be going on with..

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5939c36b1d.jpg

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4d27fd0e89.jpg

Hmmm...I believe we're in Romania?
An IAR product - fighter?

Yes correct country - only one built IIRC and it didn't end well...

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7c025507e8.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b63ba7babd.jpg

Looking at your front shot again - probably this machine...?

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1037ee3a5a.jpg

Yes - correct! First of many IAR designs (most of which did better than the first one)


Happy New Year

Thanks A'56.

Nuther Nose....


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4e795858ab.png

Looks Italian.

I'd say it looks Russian ............................

Pretty sure it's Italian.

Do you have something in mind?

FIAT G.80? One from the dark recesses via old Observer's Books :)

God bless William Green. 🙌
Over to you Pypard. :ok:

OK how about this handsome chap?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7c1a0aee54.jpg

Kinner Playboy R-5? Pretty sure that's a Kinner engine.

Well that didn't take long: over to you ea200!

Handome toy!

Thanks Pypard. Happy New Year to all on this thread. Have a go at this one:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....df93f40ad0.jpg

Going back to the Kinner Playboy, it is clear that a lot of effort was put into streamlining and drag reduction. I often wonder why the designer just didn't build a cantilever wing and get rid of all those wires. Was the weight penalty too much?

The arrangement is very much like the Boeing P-26; a braced monoplane with heavy emphasis on streamlining. I have seen it a lot and assume it's just the natural evolution from biplane to fully cantilevered metal monoplane. Possibly more about confidence of the designer and confidence of the owner/passenger than anything else? It does remind me of chicken rivets on composite structure, so again there isn't anything new under the sun...

Pypard,

As you said, probably natural evolution in design ideas and confidence. Some designers were obviously evolving their thinking faster than others. Only three years after the Playboy’s first flight in 1933, the 200 mph Spartan Executive flew:

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bf1535618.jpeg

A Kinner was somewhere around $3,000 back then.
The Spartan - $23,500.

Don't want to derail the thead but Mr Rininger is a pretty fine photographer.
Very nice shot.

Nobody biting on this challenge yet. Does this help?


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6d2c45b00f.jpg

Lord! What was the mindset back then of not wanting/needing to see forward?

Armed and dangerous?

Dangerous possibly. Armed no. Although it was designed to carry defensive weaponary but never did.

Looks like a German 6 in line motor but could not find any matching German ww1 aircraft?

It is indeed a 6cyl German engine. Water cooled as you may have seen from the underslung radiator. It is not a German aircraft though and it is post WW1. Been very quiet on this challenge and I was going to post further clues shortly. But I will let you and others ponder things for a little longer.

Further clue required I think. This aircraft was the only example of the type and AKAIK it only flew once, with the designer/builder at the controls. I've flown some types with poor visibility but I wouldn't fancy that one.

Designed to be slung under something much bigger?

I don't believe so and I very much doubt it. It had a MAUW of over 1.25 metric tons.